Better Question RV 250 JS 125???

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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 7:07pm
Now that we have had time to see them both battle on 450's....



How would have RV done against JS in his 125 days on his PC 250f.



or



To make it more fair (although I think James still would have one) JS on his 125 with RV on a 250f from that era.



James ruled on the 125.



RC Ruled on everything but James would have beet him on 125's.
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rgmx-49 1/29/2011 9:08am
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not again.............
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DBerg 1/29/2011 9:11am
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Just one man's opinion, but it seems to me that Stewart made a 125 go as fast as one could ever go. His bike would look a year old after one moto. I freakin loved watching him ride then. I mean I still do, but he rode so much more aggressively on that little 125
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DBerg wrote:
Just one man's opinion, but it seems to me that Stewart made a 125 go as fast as one could ever go. His bike would look...
Just one man's opinion, but it seems to me that Stewart made a 125 go as fast as one could ever go. His bike would look a year old after one moto. I freakin loved watching him ride then. I mean I still do, but he rode so much more aggressively on that little 125
agreed!
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Chase26 1/29/2011 9:58am
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i think it would b more even if u put stewart on an 85, n rv on a 250f! # 259 baby chicken flew ard that track! rv is great, but hes not #7 an not even close to #4

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mrquick 1/29/2011 10:17am
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Carmichael was the FASTEST guy ever on a 125. You can keep saying that it was stewart but you're just lying to yourself.
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jeffro503 1/29/2011 10:35am
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RV has already proven to be a great racer , and I'm pretty sure he is going to have an awesome career.

But comparing him to people like James , RC , Everts , MC , ect ..... is a little premature.
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mrquick wrote:
Carmichael was the FASTEST guy ever on a 125. You can keep saying that it was stewart but you're just lying to yourself.
Wow! you hate Stewart more than he loves him. You win the argument there.
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mrquick wrote:
Carmichael was the FASTEST guy ever on a 125. You can keep saying that it was stewart but you're just lying to yourself.
I am a huge RC fan but I dont remember RC putting up better lap times than the fastest 250 rider, were bubba did it several times and one yr at las vegas was jumping a quad that RC wasnt even doing on his big bike.
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sharkey 1/29/2011 10:52am
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how about someone post result wins that should prove this point
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rgmx-49 1/29/2011 10:53am
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mrquick wrote:
Carmichael was the FASTEST guy ever on a 125. You can keep saying that it was stewart but you're just lying to yourself.
Motodork wrote:
I am a huge RC fan but I dont remember RC putting up better lap times than the fastest 250 rider, were bubba did it several...
I am a huge RC fan but I dont remember RC putting up better lap times than the fastest 250 rider, were bubba did it several times and one yr at las vegas was jumping a quad that RC wasnt even doing on his big bike.
talkin bout MX not SX
FlickitFlat 1/29/2011 10:58am
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mrquick wrote:
Carmichael was the FASTEST guy ever on a 125. You can keep saying that it was stewart but you're just lying to yourself.
Motodork wrote:
I am a huge RC fan but I dont remember RC putting up better lap times than the fastest 250 rider, were bubba did it several...
I am a huge RC fan but I dont remember RC putting up better lap times than the fastest 250 rider, were bubba did it several times and one yr at las vegas was jumping a quad that RC wasnt even doing on his big bike.
rgmx-49 wrote:
talkin bout MX not SX
Same story but both had done it on occasion.
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pilotdude 1/29/2011 11:22am
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Chase26 wrote:
i think it would b more even if u put stewart on an 85, n rv on a 250f! # 259 baby chicken flew ard that...
i think it would b more even if u put stewart on an 85, n rv on a 250f! # 259 baby chicken flew ard that track! rv is great, but hes not #7 an not even close to #4
Villopoto's record in the 250f class:

2005
AMA Horizon Award Recipient
Broome-Tioga (his first national) 15th Overall
Steel City--5th overall
Glen Helen--2nd overall (in his 3rd National)

2006
Supercross lite West Coast--2nd
AMA MX Lites National Champion
MXdN Team USA MX2 champion Team and Individual title
AMA MX/SX Rookie of the Year

2007
Supercross Lites West Coast Champion, wins 7 of 8 rounds
AMA MX Lites National Champion
Team USA MXdN Champion--Team and individual title. Becomes first ever to win both motos on a small bike VS the big bikes.

2008
Supercross Lites East Coast--2nd with a broken wrist.
AMA MX Lites National Champion, winning 19 of 24 motos. Joins only Mark Barnett and Ricky Carmichael as a 3 time MX Lites/125 champion.
Team USA MXdN Champion--Team and individual MX2 titles. Never loses an MXdN individual title or outdoor National championship.

Not even close huh? Ok, if you say so.


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mxb2 1/29/2011 11:25am
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RV and Stewart are 2 of the fastest dudes ever IMO, but wait until they are done and check the record books!
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pilotdude 1/29/2011 11:28am
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mxb2 wrote:
RV and Stewart are 2 of the fastest dudes ever IMO, but wait until they are done and check the record books!
They ARE done on the 125/250f. Those ARE the 125/250f record books and this is a 125/250f thread.
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mxb2 1/29/2011 11:42am
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My bad dude , thought it was a comparison RV/Stewart!
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mxb2 wrote:
RV and Stewart are 2 of the fastest dudes ever IMO, but wait until they are done and check the record books!
pilotdude wrote:
They ARE done on the 125/250f. Those ARE the 125/250f record books and this is a 125/250f thread.
And james has the best record in the 125 ranks. PERIOD
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MX7MX 1/29/2011 11:44am
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When RV goes 24-0 outside, THEN he will be in the same class as RC or JS

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mxb2 1/29/2011 11:48am
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Agreed and as much as I m a RV fan, Rv has alot of work to do before you put him up there with RC and Stewart!
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MX7MX wrote:
When RV goes 24-0 outside, THEN he will be in the same class as RC or JS
If he only had to race the competition from '08, I could see it.
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pilotdude 1/29/2011 12:17pm
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mxb2 wrote:
RV and Stewart are 2 of the fastest dudes ever IMO, but wait until they are done and check the record books!
pilotdude wrote:
They ARE done on the 125/250f. Those ARE the 125/250f record books and this is a 125/250f thread.
MX7MX wrote:
And james has the best record in the 125 ranks. PERIOD
And Villopoto has more outdoor lites championships than Stewart. PERIOD
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mrquick wrote:
Carmichael was the FASTEST guy ever on a 125. You can keep saying that it was stewart but you're just lying to yourself.
Funny shit there.
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mrquick wrote:
Carmichael was the FASTEST guy ever on a 125. You can keep saying that it was stewart but you're just lying to yourself.
This guy is a bigger Stewart hater than he/she is a fan of the sport. Lame.
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MX7MX wrote:
When RV goes 24-0 outside, THEN he will be in the same class as RC or JS
Can't argue with that but I'm talking 125's and 250f's
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pilotdude wrote:
They ARE done on the 125/250f. Those ARE the 125/250f record books and this is a 125/250f thread.
MX7MX wrote:
And james has the best record in the 125 ranks. PERIOD
pilotdude wrote:
And Villopoto has more outdoor lites championships than Stewart. PERIOD
And James still has more wins than him in the class..............take from that what you want.


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pilotdude 1/29/2011 2:13pm
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MX7MX wrote:
And james has the best record in the 125 ranks. PERIOD
pilotdude wrote:
And Villopoto has more outdoor lites championships than Stewart. PERIOD
P wrote:
And James still has more wins than him in the class..............take from that what you want.


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More wins and less championships...what does that tell you?
mxpilot43 1/29/2011 2:17pm
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mrquick wrote:
Carmichael was the FASTEST guy ever on a 125. You can keep saying that it was stewart but you're just lying to yourself.
Motodork wrote:
I am a huge RC fan but I dont remember RC putting up better lap times than the fastest 250 rider, were bubba did it several...
I am a huge RC fan but I dont remember RC putting up better lap times than the fastest 250 rider, were bubba did it several times and one yr at las vegas was jumping a quad that RC wasnt even doing on his big bike.
yes rc did a time or 2. im not really a stewart fan but i can tell you this anybody that got to see him ride a 125 will tell you it was one of the greatest spectacle they have ever witnessed in moto. like him or not he was a freak of nature on that thing. i never have seen that kind of domination before or since, it absolutely looked like he was racing the c class.
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pilotdude wrote:
And Villopoto has more outdoor lites championships than Stewart. PERIOD
P wrote:
And James still has more wins than him in the class..............take from that what you want.


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More wins and less championships...what does that tell you?
It tells me that the season that James didn't win the 125 National Outdoor title he got hurt during the Supercross series, missed several Nationals, and then came back and won every race for the remainder of the season (I believe).

RV is a great racer, but James in the 125 class was the shit. There is no way around that.

Also, please if you know of a national where RC set lap times faster than the 250 class let us know, because I have no idea what race that would be. RC was good in the 125 class, but he didn't get to the level he was at during the later years of his career until he hit the 250/450 class. That's just MHO.


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I dont know....

Bob "Hurricane" Hannah, Broc "The Golden Boy" Glover, Mark "The Bomber" Barnett, Johnny "O'Show" O'Mara, Ron "The Machine" Lechien, Doug Henry, Steve "Lammy" Lamson, Ricky "RC" Carmichael, James "Bubba" Stewart, Ryan "RV" Villopoto..... all else being equal (modern day bike, all saw the sport progress, fitness, technology, diet)..... throw the names in a hat and pick one. All were bad asses on the tiddler bike.




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Had sushi in China Town Las Vegas in 2003 where I bumped into Tony Berluti. He was awesome... invited me to the Suzuki pits. Anyways.... I am a huge RC fan and were talking about Reed's amazing 250cc SX rookie year (although he wasnt champ, you can easily compare his SX rookie year to MC's and RD's rookie year). He stated the big topic in 2003 was comparing fast lap times. When did we ever talk about the "one" fastest lap time in 1996, 1995, 1997, or 1998? When Tallon Volhand passed RC, we gave Volhand props for passing RC not the fastest lap time. I will never forget the 1997 GH MX when RC was railing a huge bowl turn to clear a giant double.

Easily can say that Lamson was by far the fastest 125 racer when he beat everyone (including big bores) at the MXDN.

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