Pastrana Hat Censorship

egoman
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1/23/2011 6:17pm
TerryK wrote:
I disagree. Not a big deal. Just a hat logo.
I am sorry you dont get it,usually canadians are smarter than that.
Lets explain it to you. travis gets his sponsor blocked out and they no longer see the value of sponsoring him. So he gets dropped. With no other sponsors around after a while monster reduces its sponsorship to just the series and the procircuit kawis are gone also.
This has allready happened in nascar,ask robby gordon what happens when you bring in a sponsor that doesnt jive with the series sponsor.
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1/23/2011 6:21pm
Indy mxer wrote:
This is strictly a Red Bull vs Monster thing nothing more. They were both trying to get one over on the other. It was obvious. I...
This is strictly a Red Bull vs Monster thing nothing more.
They were both trying to get one over on the other. It was obvious.
I don't think Red Bull lacks for exposure in SX.
Sherwood wrote:
So you have no big business experience.

Got it.
I have more business experience than you'll ever know deadwood!
But that's really none of your business and is also irrelevant.

Guy's, I'm not saying anyone here is wrong for not liking it. Hell, I didn't like it.
And yes it's petty.

But you don't have to have an MBA in marketing to realize this is how it works with title sponsors.
Sprint and NASCAR are far more strict about things like this.
But for those who don't follow NASCAR, look at the NFL.

Do you ever see a logo of, or anyone drink, anything besides Gatorade.
Same with Reebok. Even if you wear something made by Under Armour or Nike the logos can't show at all. The NFL set the standard for this stuff.

Frankly, MX and SX are late to the dance on this.
Title sponsors don't just pay big bucks for exposure, they also pay for exclusivity.

Unfortunately, it's the price we pay to grow the sport. Sorry to say, we're all going to have to get used to it.
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1/23/2011 6:21pm
Fuckin red tape man! Fyi you can get red bull hats, and not just for the athletes!
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1/23/2011 6:26pm
Indy mxer wrote:
This is strictly a Red Bull vs Monster thing nothing more. They were both trying to get one over on the other. It was obvious. I...
This is strictly a Red Bull vs Monster thing nothing more.
They were both trying to get one over on the other. It was obvious.
I don't think Red Bull lacks for exposure in SX.
Sherwood wrote:
So you have no big business experience.

Got it.
Indy mxer wrote:
I have more business experience than you'll ever know deadwood! But that's really none of your business and is also irrelevant. Guy's, I'm not saying anyone...
I have more business experience than you'll ever know deadwood!
But that's really none of your business and is also irrelevant.

Guy's, I'm not saying anyone here is wrong for not liking it. Hell, I didn't like it.
And yes it's petty.

But you don't have to have an MBA in marketing to realize this is how it works with title sponsors.
Sprint and NASCAR are far more strict about things like this.
But for those who don't follow NASCAR, look at the NFL.

Do you ever see a logo of, or anyone drink, anything besides Gatorade.
Same with Reebok. Even if you wear something made by Under Armour or Nike the logos can't show at all. The NFL set the standard for this stuff.

Frankly, MX and SX are late to the dance on this.
Title sponsors don't just pay big bucks for exposure, they also pay for exclusivity.

Unfortunately, it's the price we pay to grow the sport. Sorry to say, we're all going to have to get used to it.
Exclusivity?

Rockstar Suzuki?
Red Bull Honda (as of last year)?
L&M San Manuel Red Bull Yamaha?
DNA Shred Stix Yamaha (made by DNA Energy Drink)?

The Shop

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1/23/2011 6:27pm
TerryK wrote:
I disagree. Not a big deal. Just a hat logo.
egoman wrote:
I am sorry you dont get it,usually canadians are smarter than that. Lets explain it to you. travis gets his sponsor blocked out and they no...
I am sorry you dont get it,usually canadians are smarter than that.
Lets explain it to you. travis gets his sponsor blocked out and they no longer see the value of sponsoring him. So he gets dropped. With no other sponsors around after a while monster reduces its sponsorship to just the series and the procircuit kawis are gone also.
This has allready happened in nascar,ask robby gordon what happens when you bring in a sponsor that doesnt jive with the series sponsor.
I think the exposure Red Bull got on the podium and during the race (JS bike and gear)
will far exceed that hat.
And, if you think Red Bull would drop TP over that tiny incident you're an idiot!
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1/23/2011 6:28pm
Because it's a hat, and blocking other companies can't be good for the series.
TerryK wrote:
Explain to me please how this bad for the sport?
UAW_member wrote:
Really, someone has to explain why blurring sponsor logos could hurt a sport that relies on sponsor money???
I agree. WTH TK? Are you getting paid by Monster or something? I know you're smarter than that. haha
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1/23/2011 6:31pm
What will SX and MX do in a couple years when these energy drink companies are cutting back. Right now, if not for them the sport would really be hurting.

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1/23/2011 6:36pm
Sherwood wrote:
So you have no big business experience.

Got it.
Indy mxer wrote:
I have more business experience than you'll ever know deadwood! But that's really none of your business and is also irrelevant. Guy's, I'm not saying anyone...
I have more business experience than you'll ever know deadwood!
But that's really none of your business and is also irrelevant.

Guy's, I'm not saying anyone here is wrong for not liking it. Hell, I didn't like it.
And yes it's petty.

But you don't have to have an MBA in marketing to realize this is how it works with title sponsors.
Sprint and NASCAR are far more strict about things like this.
But for those who don't follow NASCAR, look at the NFL.

Do you ever see a logo of, or anyone drink, anything besides Gatorade.
Same with Reebok. Even if you wear something made by Under Armour or Nike the logos can't show at all. The NFL set the standard for this stuff.

Frankly, MX and SX are late to the dance on this.
Title sponsors don't just pay big bucks for exposure, they also pay for exclusivity.

Unfortunately, it's the price we pay to grow the sport. Sorry to say, we're all going to have to get used to it.
flarider wrote:
Exclusivity?

Rockstar Suzuki?
Red Bull Honda (as of last year)?
L&M San Manuel Red Bull Yamaha?
DNA Shred Stix Yamaha (made by DNA Energy Drink)?

No shit. they're team sponsors.
Do you see those companies logos anywhere else but on team gear and equipment?

Besides, it's not the same as TP trying to pimp their arch rival when he's trying to promote his monster truck and NASCAR career.

Whether you like NASCAR or not, that's where it's headed with title sponsors.
They have all the leverage, it's called money. The life blood of every sport.
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1/23/2011 6:41pm
neysbo wrote:
What will SX and MX do in a couple years when these energy drink companies are cutting back. Right now, if not for them the sport...
What will SX and MX do in a couple years when these energy drink companies are cutting back. Right now, if not for them the sport would really be hurting.

Now that's a great question. But you make a good point.
I hope by then the sport has grown enough to attract other types of sponsors.
Hey, we have Toyota and Dodge. That's not a bad start.
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1/23/2011 6:44pm
neysbo wrote:
What will SX and MX do in a couple years when these energy drink companies are cutting back. Right now, if not for them the sport...
What will SX and MX do in a couple years when these energy drink companies are cutting back. Right now, if not for them the sport would really be hurting.

Indy mxer wrote:
Now that's a great question. But you make a good point. I hope by then the sport has grown enough to attract other types of sponsors...
Now that's a great question. But you make a good point.
I hope by then the sport has grown enough to attract other types of sponsors.
Hey, we have Toyota and Dodge. That's not a bad start.
We had Chevy Trucks before...they had a conflict of interest with the Toyota logos that were required to be run on the front plates, thus they pulled out.
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1/23/2011 6:54pm
neysbo wrote:
What will SX and MX do in a couple years when these energy drink companies are cutting back. Right now, if not for them the sport...
What will SX and MX do in a couple years when these energy drink companies are cutting back. Right now, if not for them the sport would really be hurting.

Indy mxer wrote:
Now that's a great question. But you make a good point. I hope by then the sport has grown enough to attract other types of sponsors...
Now that's a great question. But you make a good point.
I hope by then the sport has grown enough to attract other types of sponsors.
Hey, we have Toyota and Dodge. That's not a bad start.
We had Chevy Trucks before...they had a conflict of interest with the Toyota logos that were required to be run on the front plates, thus they...
We had Chevy Trucks before...they had a conflict of interest with the Toyota logos that were required to be run on the front plates, thus they pulled out.

Who ever said GM (government motors) knows how to run a successful company?
They're not known for making good decisions. lol

I know what you're saying though.
Unfortunately, that kind of thing is the norm now.

1/23/2011 6:58pm
They should have blocked out that flanel shirt he had on. It looked like he jacked it from a homeless guy out behind the stadium.
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1/23/2011 7:01pm
They should have blocked out that flanel shirt he had on. It looked like he jacked it from a homeless guy out behind the stadium.
LMAO!!
1/23/2011 7:32pm
this is really ridiculous...i noticed at phoenix during one segment but not throughout the eintire show, rc had a monster logo on his shirt. douche and fro had the same shirts minus the logo. kinda weird but i forgot about it until....

the blurred red bul logo on travis today and I see what's going on.

take that back 20 years and go and try to bust your ass to win local races to ride sx and get almost no practice to try and qualify for the big show. if you or a friend ever tried to qualify and saw the shit stacked up against anyone new trying to break in...

monster and red bull are pure poison...yet this sport is broke and primarily relies on poison for the best athletes to get paid... now they blacklist eachother's investments in top level athletes.

without them motocross pretty much fails to exhist and they just showed us how much they really cared for the sport.

as an action sports fan, my heroes risk their lives for a sports drink that is less loyal than the manufature who built the bike...

pretty sick, dude.

still, i refuse to put a bullet in my head because round 3 was a great race!



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1/23/2011 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 7:39pm
Indy mxer wrote:
This is strictly a Red Bull vs Monster thing nothing more. They were both trying to get one over on the other. It was obvious. I...
This is strictly a Red Bull vs Monster thing nothing more.
They were both trying to get one over on the other. It was obvious.
I don't think Red Bull lacks for exposure in SX.
Sherwood wrote:
So you have no big business experience.

Got it.
Indy mxer wrote:
I have more business experience than you'll ever know deadwood! But that's really none of your business and is also irrelevant. Guy's, I'm not saying anyone...
I have more business experience than you'll ever know deadwood!
But that's really none of your business and is also irrelevant.

Guy's, I'm not saying anyone here is wrong for not liking it. Hell, I didn't like it.
And yes it's petty.

But you don't have to have an MBA in marketing to realize this is how it works with title sponsors.
Sprint and NASCAR are far more strict about things like this.
But for those who don't follow NASCAR, look at the NFL.

Do you ever see a logo of, or anyone drink, anything besides Gatorade.
Same with Reebok. Even if you wear something made by Under Armour or Nike the logos can't show at all. The NFL set the standard for this stuff.

Frankly, MX and SX are late to the dance on this.
Title sponsors don't just pay big bucks for exposure, they also pay for exclusivity.

Unfortunately, it's the price we pay to grow the sport. Sorry to say, we're all going to have to get used to it.
It's not irrelevant seeing how your experience would dictate if you have any credibility in this subject.



It's obvious you don't and are just making stuff up and lying. If you had any expierence you'd say who and what to prove your credibility.



Once again sx can't be compared to a big business such as the NFL. It's small potatoes.

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1/23/2011 7:48pm
Doesn't matter, They're still a title sponsor. Money talks. It's called leverage, go look it up.
1/23/2011 8:31pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 8:39pm
nevermind

business as usual

go to work tomorrow and perform

supercross might make it another 14 rounds

enjoy your water

mexico is too far away to worry about...yeah right

say hello to pedro gonzales for me

walker and bentley live nearby so i know

i do love the booze still

rum and coke keep me afloat

name dropping keeps me afloat

i see tracks flourish based on lorettas qualifyiers

or plummet when they dont get the qualifier

racer productions is like the fox news of our sport

fuck your money...sort of a serj tankian quote i guesss

1/23/2011 8:34pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2011 8:41pm
i hate the sport i love

i love the sport i hate

i hate rules and empowerment by the same institution that tells me i am free
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1/24/2011 12:09am
I saw the blur on Travis' Red Bull hat and laughed. Just like I laughed when they blurred "Monster Energy Supercross" on the number plates of Stewart's bikes on "Bubba's World."
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nevermind business as usual go to work tomorrow and perform supercross might make it another 14 rounds enjoy your water mexico is too far away to...
nevermind

business as usual

go to work tomorrow and perform

supercross might make it another 14 rounds

enjoy your water

mexico is too far away to worry about...yeah right

say hello to pedro gonzales for me

walker and bentley live nearby so i know

i do love the booze still

rum and coke keep me afloat

name dropping keeps me afloat

i see tracks flourish based on lorettas qualifyiers

or plummet when they dont get the qualifier

racer productions is like the fox news of our sport

fuck your money...sort of a serj tankian quote i guesss

Joey, you been drinking again? LOL
1/24/2011 1:59am
We had Chevy Trucks before...they had a conflict of interest with the Toyota logos that were required to be run on the front plates, thus they...
We had Chevy Trucks before...they had a conflict of interest with the Toyota logos that were required to be run on the front plates, thus they pulled out.
Chevy pulled out because they were broke!

Agree with most on here. Even my 10 yr old daughter noticed the blur and asked if he had something "X rated" on his hat. LOL Maybe my kid was right. You sure he didn't have one of those stripper silhouettes on his hat with the spread legs? Definitely the perfect accompaniment to his jacket...

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1/24/2011 3:41am
I was watching with my brother who doesnt follow to much moto...

"Wow, does travis got some titties on his hat or something?!"
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1/24/2011 5:46am
Indy mxer wrote:
I have more business experience than you'll ever know deadwood! But that's really none of your business and is also irrelevant. Guy's, I'm not saying anyone...
I have more business experience than you'll ever know deadwood!
But that's really none of your business and is also irrelevant.

Guy's, I'm not saying anyone here is wrong for not liking it. Hell, I didn't like it.
And yes it's petty.

But you don't have to have an MBA in marketing to realize this is how it works with title sponsors.
Sprint and NASCAR are far more strict about things like this.
But for those who don't follow NASCAR, look at the NFL.

Do you ever see a logo of, or anyone drink, anything besides Gatorade.
Same with Reebok. Even if you wear something made by Under Armour or Nike the logos can't show at all. The NFL set the standard for this stuff.

Frankly, MX and SX are late to the dance on this.
Title sponsors don't just pay big bucks for exposure, they also pay for exclusivity.

Unfortunately, it's the price we pay to grow the sport. Sorry to say, we're all going to have to get used to it.
flarider wrote:
Exclusivity?

Rockstar Suzuki?
Red Bull Honda (as of last year)?
L&M San Manuel Red Bull Yamaha?
DNA Shred Stix Yamaha (made by DNA Energy Drink)?

Indy mxer wrote:
No shit. they're team sponsors. Do you see those companies logos anywhere else but on team gear and equipment? Besides, it's not the same as TP...
No shit. they're team sponsors.
Do you see those companies logos anywhere else but on team gear and equipment?

Besides, it's not the same as TP trying to pimp their arch rival when he's trying to promote his monster truck and NASCAR career.

Whether you like NASCAR or not, that's where it's headed with title sponsors.
They have all the leverage, it's called money. The life blood of every sport.
In an earlier post you said Travis could have worn any other hat and been OK. Red Bull "owns" his head, meaning he must wear a red bull hat per his contract, especially at events and races. Feld/Monster are well aware of this and still wanted him to participate in their "Show". They knew this was coming and decided to pull BS on it. Travis wearing his RB hat was not a surprise to them. He is larger then any SX athlete and having him there helped Feld/promotors as well. Do both companies pull BS on each other, absolutely, but as Dave said, this is scary for potential sponsors and current sponsors. This is the first time I have seen this happen and its all about baby steps. First something gets blurred, then something else, etc. I got news, if Rockstar, Redbull, Muscle Milk, and the other smaller drinks like DNA pulled their money and went somewhere else, it would cause a shit storm for this sport. Would the series go on, yes, but those companies fund quite a few different teams with top 5 or top 10 guys. If you notice, there really hasn't been a wave of new sponsors coming into this sport and if a brand is putting in six or seven figures, they need to get return. For most, its TV time since no drinks except for monster are allowed to be sample or tried in the pits. Once the TV time is gone, so are they.
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Indy mxer wrote:
It's not hat censorship! Travis isn't part of the racing. So he's just doing a plug for RedBull. RD and JS don't have any problems (Rockstar...
It's not hat censorship! Travis isn't part of the racing. So he's just doing a plug for RedBull.
RD and JS don't have any problems (Rockstar and RedBull). It's called protecting your investment.
He could've had nitro circus or any of his other sponsors on the hat and it would have been ok.

In business it's called playing hardball. Sprint does the same thing in NASCAR whenever they can.
TerryK wrote:
Indy mxer "gets it".
It goes both ways... they were using Travis as well, how many Joe Shmoes did they interview? They used his personality to create buzz....
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1/24/2011 7:57am
Agreed.

Terry just isn't man enough to know when to concede that his initial thought on the subject was wrong...

We have enough personalities on this board that event he most ludicrous statement will get support from a couple people...
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1/24/2011 8:04am
No more chickenshit than allowing a 80-100% displacement for the 4 strokes. So much concern about running off money if things were made more "fair" for a 2 stroke(which would bring other money/ mfgs./sponsors into the sport) yet blurring out major funding (Red Bull) is acceptable by the powers that be. Carry on.
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1/24/2011 8:10am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2011 8:19am
Here is the deal,

Some of you guys have stated Red Bull would do the same thing and I laugh. Red Bull owns and runs a world Freestyle competition called the X fighters that is broadcast to way more people than any SX is all over europe. It has a lot more media involved and guess what? Sometimes 1/2 the field is wearing Monster helmets and are doing media interviews with Monster hats.

this is a facebook posting from THE media guy at Red Bull

"NOT COOL that not only was Travis Pastrana not allowed to take a lap at Supercross last night because he is a Red Bull athlete, the Red Bull logo on his hat was blurred on the CBS race broadcast today. We would never pull that at one of our events with a competitor's athlete. There needs to be some line of ethics. These sports need everyone's support!!!"

This is a 100% accurate statement.

Riding for Red Bull is a prestigious honor, that is why there is no such things as red bull hats or red bull stickers for the public. It actually means something to have a hat or logo on your body, or airplane or etc ect.

Do you guys realize that the way the brand is, if you represent yourself as a red bull athlete, your stock to other sponsors is much higher? the reason you can''t get hats or decals is because if your not n athlete they don't want you representing to other brands as one.

I know some of you won't see the upside to this type of branding because you would like to have a Red Bull hat or sticker but it has obviously worked well for them....
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1/24/2011 8:26am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2011 8:38am
Because it's a hat, and blocking other companies can't be good for the series.
TerryK wrote:
Explain to me please how this bad for the sport?
TerryK, I truly expected more intelligence out of someone like you. .

It's bad for the sport because Monster is sensoring which will POTENTIALLY detur other big companies from coming in to the sport. It was Monster yesterday, but after seeing it, how many other companies are going to TRY and jump on the bandwagon?? It's the old "snowball effect".

Not to mention, when has being greedy ever really been good for anyone??


The AMA is who is to blame for not really having ANY sort of control over ANY of their sports.
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1/24/2011 8:32am
Yeah cuz that's relevant how?
Sherwood wrote:
I'm not sure I want a pilot with an eyesight problem.
I have 20/20 vision dickbags. I saw the blur immidiately but thought surely it must've been a waterdrop because I assumed the powers at be would...
I have 20/20 vision dickbags. I saw the blur immidiately but thought surely it must've been a waterdrop because I assumed the powers at be would be so dumb as to blur his redbull logo.
My God there are some dumbfucks on this board who make worthless comments that serve no purpose but to start shit..
or anger management issues......Tongue
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1/24/2011 8:36am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2011 8:38am
Because it's a hat, and blocking other companies can't be good for the series.
TerryK wrote:
Explain to me please how this bad for the sport?
Racer111 wrote:
TerryK, I truly expected more intelligence out of someone like you. . It's bad for the sport because Monster is sensoring which will POTENTIALLY detur other...
TerryK, I truly expected more intelligence out of someone like you. .

It's bad for the sport because Monster is sensoring which will POTENTIALLY detur other big companies from coming in to the sport. It was Monster yesterday, but after seeing it, how many other companies are going to TRY and jump on the bandwagon?? It's the old "snowball effect".

Not to mention, when has being greedy ever really been good for anyone??


The AMA is who is to blame for not really having ANY sort of control over ANY of their sports.
Actually,



Nascar tried to do something similar that ended up in months of courthouse drama that I am sure cost thousands to fight.



When Nascar became the "Sprint" cup, teams that were already sponsored by ther cellular companies (at&t and Cingular etc) were "grandfathered" in for x amount of time. However when that time came up Jeff Burton and RCR was sponsored by AT&T and it became a huge problem.



It went to court and I believe AT&T won but for a while Burton's car could only have the AT&T globe on the hood and not the words AT&T,



I know it was in the media for a long time and both sides sued for millions and an agreement was finally made.



Our sport is too little to have that type of problem, sponsors would just walk instead of spending the type of dough it cost to fight it.

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