Jody, MXA, Two Strokes and Matthes

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

Moose Knuckle wrote:

How can you say it doesnt help the cause? Yamaha sells out of new 2 strokes, KTM according to some on here sells out as well...

How can you say it doesnt help the cause? Yamaha sells out of new 2 strokes, KTM according to some on here sells out as well. What are we left to buy other than used? Plus used bikes gobble up new parts. ahhhhh, Thats where we speak with our wallets.

jmar wrote:

You're right.

It's all about those who ride the beaters.

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put...

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put it up i had a couple of people calling me about it. Hopefully i can get $2800 for it then go buy a used 2006 yz250 or rm250.

mxb2 wrote:

Well if they are such a high demand item, would nt you think the other factories took notice and would produce some? You mean to tell...

Well if they are such a high demand item, would nt you think the other factories took notice and would produce some? You mean to tell me KTM and Yamaha sold out of every 2010/2011 2 stroke mx bike? If you want one they are available, drive to the shop or have it shipped to you if you want to help the cause! Like posters keepsaying , we are buying used, i know the used parts theory, thats not gonna cut it. Buying a new bike every 4 years is nt going to make the factories produce 2 strokes.

mxb2 wrote:

Well if they are such a high demand item, would nt you think the other factories took notice and would produce some? You mean to tell...

Well if they are such a high demand item, would nt you think the other factories took notice and would produce some? You mean to tell me KTM and Yamaha sold out of every 2010/2011 2 stroke mx bike? If you want one they are available, drive to the shop or have it shipped to you if you want to help the cause! Like posters keepsaying , we are buying used, i know the used parts theory, thats not gonna cut it. Buying a new bike every 4 years is nt going to make the factories produce 2 strokes.

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put...

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put it up i had a couple of people calling me about it. Hopefully i can get $2800 for it then go buy a used 2006 yz250 or rm250.

mxb2 wrote:

Help the cause buy a 2011!, or another used one LOL!

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put...

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put it up i had a couple of people calling me about it. Hopefully i can get $2800 for it then go buy a used 2006 yz250 or rm250.

mxb2 wrote:

Well if they are such a high demand item, would nt you think the other factories took notice and would produce some? You mean to tell...

Well if they are such a high demand item, would nt you think the other factories took notice and would produce some? You mean to tell me KTM and Yamaha sold out of every 2010/2011 2 stroke mx bike? If you want one they are available, drive to the shop or have it shipped to you if you want to help the cause! Like posters keepsaying , we are buying used, i know the used parts theory, thats not gonna cut it. Buying a new bike every 4 years is nt going to make the factories produce 2 strokes.

jmar wrote:

Harley Davidson screwed the pooch when they started producing more units so they were so readily available.

Live and learn.

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put...

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put it up i had a couple of people calling me about it. Hopefully i can get $2800 for it then go buy a used 2006 yz250 or rm250.

jmar wrote:

Sounds like you need to quit your job and start buying and selling two strokes for a living. Such a high demand, you will become a...

Sounds like you need to quit your job and start buying and selling two strokes for a living. Such a high demand, you will become a millionaire in no time at all.

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put...

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put it up i had a couple of people calling me about it. Hopefully i can get $2800 for it then go buy a used 2006 yz250 or rm250.

mxb2 wrote:

Help the cause buy a 2011!, or another used one LOL!

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

If i had the money i would but unfortunately im a 17 year old high schooler with no job due to basketball season. Right after basketball...

If i had the money i would but unfortunately im a 17 year old high schooler with no job due to basketball season. Right after basketball is over then soccer season starts so i wont be able to get a job till the summer. Looks like ill just have to keep buying 5 year old 2 smokers. But heck there is nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put...

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put it up i had a couple of people calling me about it. Hopefully i can get $2800 for it then go buy a used 2006 yz250 or rm250.

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put...

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put it up i had a couple of people calling me about it. Hopefully i can get $2800 for it then go buy a used 2006 yz250 or rm250.

Indy mxer wrote:

You mean you don't have 50 people lined up at your front door fighting over this bike and begging to give you more than your asking...

You mean you don't have 50 people lined up at your front door fighting over this bike and begging to give you more than your asking for it?
According to many on this thread, that thing is in such demand, it's like a rare gold coin. Just name your price.

Seriously though, I would like to see you guys have the option to buy any brand 2 stroke if you want.
But for now, that ship has sailed. The OEM's are committed to 4t's.

Again, this huge demand some of you think is out there, I just don't see.
A a previous poster said, if KTM thought they could sell lots of them, they would produce more.
And don't forget, like myself, there's a hell of a lot riders out there who love their 4 strokes and wouldn't go back if they could.

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put...

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put it up i had a couple of people calling me about it. Hopefully i can get $2800 for it then go buy a used 2006 yz250 or rm250.

Indy mxer wrote:

You mean you don't have 50 people lined up at your front door fighting over this bike and begging to give you more than your asking...

You mean you don't have 50 people lined up at your front door fighting over this bike and begging to give you more than your asking for it?
According to many on this thread, that thing is in such demand, it's like a rare gold coin. Just name your price.

Seriously though, I would like to see you guys have the option to buy any brand 2 stroke if you want.
But for now, that ship has sailed. The OEM's are committed to 4t's.

Again, this huge demand some of you think is out there, I just don't see.
A a previous poster said, if KTM thought they could sell lots of them, they would produce more.
And don't forget, like myself, there's a hell of a lot riders out there who love their 4 strokes and wouldn't go back if they could.

mxb2 wrote:

Get the local police for the security required for the line of people outside your garage!

keeptwostrokesalive wrote:

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put...

And the funny thing is that i rode it for 5 months and now i have it up on craigslist for $3000. The day i put it up i had a couple of people calling me about it. Hopefully i can get $2800 for it then go buy a used 2006 yz250 or rm250.

jmar wrote:

Sounds like you need to quit your job and start buying and selling two strokes for a living. Such a high demand, you will become a...

Sounds like you need to quit your job and start buying and selling two strokes for a living. Such a high demand, you will become a millionaire in no time at all.

BadExample wrote:

You should start by yourself, You don't have a fucking bike. LOL

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

three9zero wrote:

I bought a used 2007 for $ 2700 this fall, I like it way more then the 2010 kx 250 f that I had before. Nothing...

I bought a used 2007 for $ 2700 this fall, I like it way more then the 2010 kx 250 f that I had before. Nothing like smashing berms and clutch-n....

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

three9zero wrote:

I bought a used 2007 for $ 2700 this fall, I like it way more then the 2010 kx 250 f that I had before. Nothing...

I bought a used 2007 for $ 2700 this fall, I like it way more then the 2010 kx 250 f that I had before. Nothing like smashing berms and clutch-n....

mxb2 wrote:

Used? Were they sold out of new bikes?

newmann wrote:

I'm thinking JMar is a closet two stroke junkie! He does more to keep these threads going than the supposed "kooks". Looking back, I've bought roughly...

I'm thinking JMar is a closet two stroke junkie! He does more to keep these threads going than the supposed "kooks".

Looking back, I've bought roughly 20 new two stroke bikes and probably 100 plus used ones. Of the used bikes, probably 20 or so were fairly current models and the rest being vintage bikes. I've spent a fortune on parts for restorations and racebikes whether OEM or aftermarket. I've spoken with my wallet plenty.

About those four strokes, well there have been three new ones. 01 YZ250F, 04 CRF250 and a KLX110 pit bike. The 2 250F's both scattered in amazing fashion, got rebuilt and get ridden occasionally. Still got them, they aren't worth selling after all the money that's been spent on them. Besides, neither of them have been upgraded enough over the years to make sense buying a newer version.

hellion wrote:

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy...

It seems like the hip thing to do to bash Jody and MXA these days. He's older than the other current editors, seems to be grouchy, and is set in his ways.

On the other hand he lives for Moto, still races and rides weekly, and has vast experience with the machinery we ride and the people who are responsible for building it. Plus he is not afraid to speak his mind regardless of who he offends.

Lately he has really been pushing the two stroke issue. He has been in the sport longer than just about anyone, has seen where it's been, and has a good idea about where it's going. I applaud him for using his voice to make a difference. For a long time I've thought this two stroke vs. four stroke argument was futile. The four stroke was being crammed down out throats and there was nothing we could do about it. But these threads keep popping up more and more regularly, and more and more two strokes keep showing up at the tracks and trails. Surely the manufacturers must be feeling the sting of decreased sales. KTM can't keep their two stroke line in stock though. Is anyone paying attention at the wheel.

I see now that the main problem is the AMA, and their resistance to change a simple rule. Sure, all the manufacturers would have a fit at first, but ten years from now when the sport is growing again they will see this as a landmark moment in our sports history. Make the 450 class a true 450 class, two strokes and four strokes up to 450 cc's. The same with the 250's. And for gods sake bring back the 125 class. Kids moving off 85's onto 250f's makes so little sense it's unbelievable.

I'm dating myself here, but when I was coming up we used to have four classes. 100's, 125's, 250's, and open. And all the experts raced all the classes. Bikes were relativeley cheap, and you'd race half the year in 100's and 250's, and the other half on 125's and open's. And you know what? The 100's were a freaking blast to race. Sure they were slow, but man you had to wring that thing out and be real creative and smart with line choice and race craft. You should have seen JoJo Keller make a 100 go, and he was a pretty big boy even then. The racing was both affordable and exciting to watch or participate in.

I know Steve Matthes is working at Racer X again and he probably likes his job and doesn't want to piss Davey off too much. But I've even heard him complain that four strokes have ruined racing. And he's just talking about it as a pure spectator. He is so right. Go on youtube and look up any race from the 90's and tell me it's not way more exciting than todays racing where they crawl through the corner and then blast off leaping the whole straight. Watch Reed ride his YZ250 and appreciate an awesome display of talent, or RC just flogging his KX and swapping and bucking and never letting off. You can't ride a 450 like that, you'd get splattered. It makes the racing boring when there is only one guy (JS) willing to hang onto a 450 on the limit.

I guess that if we speak with our wallets we can eventually effect a change here. But it will be slow and the sport will suffer greatly in the meantime. The AMA could make the change happen a lot faster, but do they have the balls? I doubt it.

three9zero wrote:

I bought a used 2007 for $ 2700 this fall, I like it way more then the 2010 kx 250 f that I had before. Nothing...

I bought a used 2007 for $ 2700 this fall, I like it way more then the 2010 kx 250 f that I had before. Nothing like smashing berms and clutch-n....

mxb2 wrote:

Used? Were they sold out of new bikes?

newmann wrote:

I'm thinking JMar is a closet two stroke junkie! He does more to keep these threads going than the supposed "kooks". Looking back, I've bought roughly...

I'm thinking JMar is a closet two stroke junkie! He does more to keep these threads going than the supposed "kooks".

Looking back, I've bought roughly 20 new two stroke bikes and probably 100 plus used ones. Of the used bikes, probably 20 or so were fairly current models and the rest being vintage bikes. I've spent a fortune on parts for restorations and racebikes whether OEM or aftermarket. I've spoken with my wallet plenty.

About those four strokes, well there have been three new ones. 01 YZ250F, 04 CRF250 and a KLX110 pit bike. The 2 250F's both scattered in amazing fashion, got rebuilt and get ridden occasionally. Still got them, they aren't worth selling after all the money that's been spent on them. Besides, neither of them have been upgraded enough over the years to make sense buying a newer version.

jmar wrote:

Please call me Jim. You are a master at bringing life back into older two strokes, and I have a great respect for that. With that...

Please call me Jim.

You are a master at bringing life back into older two strokes, and I have a great respect for that.

With that said, I have invested my own capital and time into pro level race teams, and from a financial standpoint, I will take the four stroke over the two stroke. Especially when it comes to the old pro level 125 racing. You wouldn't believe how many parts a tweaked out 125 goes through under the throttle hand of a pro level rider.

jmar wrote:

Please call me Jim. You are a master at bringing life back into older two strokes, and I have a great respect for that. With that...

Please call me Jim.

You are a master at bringing life back into older two strokes, and I have a great respect for that.

With that said, I have invested my own capital and time into pro level race teams, and from a financial standpoint, I will take the four stroke over the two stroke. Especially when it comes to the old pro level 125 racing. You wouldn't believe how many parts a tweaked out 125 goes through under the throttle hand of a pro level rider.

BadExample wrote:

Where did you get your bikes tweaked? Sleeve up the cylinder and run synthetic pre-mix.. the bike will live forever for cheap.