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I guess I'm confused by the first question, they're all pertaining to the same individual, but four separate interviews the FBI engaged in. The contents aren't all the exact same. The DoJ is the source for the duplicative quote.
The dates on the first page (I presume) are the dates the document was entered/filed. The pages following are when the actual interview was conducted. It's mentioned in one of the docs, but the first interaction was allegedly in the 1980's.
It was allegedly in the 1980s. She stated that the incident with Trump happened when she was 13-15, when was that?
She was 13-15 in the 1980's, which was the time she allegedly had been introduced to them. This article has it decently summarized.
The article said it was “unverified, but detailed allegation” and “The woman told agents her mother stole money from a bank account held by her company to pay Epstein’s demand. The crime landed the mother in prison and derailed her life, the woman said. She said her mother is dead”. “The Post and Courier has been able to confirm the woman's mother did serve prison time around this period for embezzlement from the firm where she worked. Court documents make no mention of Epstein”. That doesn’t sound like real solid evidence.
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The article said that she claimed Epstein was abusing her and extorting money from her mom in the "mid 80s." At that time, Epstein was a financial advisor making over a million dollars a year (adjusted for inflation). Why would he be pressuring some real estate company employee to embezzle a few thousand dollars?
Epstein met Trump in 1987 or 1988. But you claim he was raping children with Epstein in 1985 or 1986 based on a a couple of vague interviews that took place 35 years after the alleged incidents?
When you say "but you claim", are you referring to the victim's statement or someone else in this thread?
You're not wrong, I don't think reasonable people are claiming the story as verifiable fact, P&C included.
On a positive note, these brothers that were referenced in the files finally went down for trafficking.
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/nation-world/luxury-real-estates-alexander-brothers-oren-alon-tal-convicted-in-manhattan-sex-trafficking-trial-drugged-raped-wealthy-lifestyle-all-expense-paid-getaways
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01660651.pdf -
"At age 16, while modeling, caller attended 8 parties
at Epstein's New York residence. On one occasion.
caller reported she was sexually assaulted by
Epstein. On another occasion, two twin brothers.
Allen and Oren, lured caller and her friend upstairs
but they escaped back downstairs. Caller stated
Oren raped her best friend and a third brother. Tal.
raped a 14 year old girl named Katie LNU. Caller
named other individuals involved in "big orgy
parties" with her, other young girls, and older
Victoria's Secret models. including Bill Clinton and
Donald Trump."
If she was making it up , why put that part in that sounds like its made up? Epstein had been getting away with stuff for decades . He was smart. Getting the mother to break the law could have been so that he had something on her. So that her credibility would be damaged and or she would be less likely to report him for anything. With there being millions of pages , has anybody else accused Epstein of similar crimes ?
Like having a cop do drugs with You, or how gangs will have you kill somebody. It's not about the crime or money it's about control.
Could have been for any number of reasons and still be legit. OR could be one of many reasons its BS.
It is something that alone sounds like it makes the reports untrue. The FBI interviewed her multiple times so perhaps there was something in her story similar to other victims' of Epstein's. I wouldn't convict or exonerate anybody off of those interviews alone.
Personally, the stuff that was released is what they allowed us to see. They had agents spending 1000's of hours redating and reading through the files. They have as many or more files that have not been released as they have released. Trump could be totally innocent of raping teen girls , but he is helping the people who did some really screwed up stuff keep their secrets. That's what I've been saying from the start. If the guilt by association bothers You or doesn't that's up to you.
"I don't think reasonable people are claiming the story as verifiable fact..."
Reasonable people wouldn't post links to unverified phone message tips left by unhinged folks as if it was actual evidence, but other kinds of people would do that.
Perhaps they talked to her more than once because she was one of the very few anonymous tipsters that left a viable phone number so that she could be contacted again?
So to be clear, you're complaining because I've been sourcing Department of Justice and FBI documents?
"As if it was actual evidence" smooth brain, how do you suppose Maxwell was indicted? I'll help you out, it was done by corroborating details from these same files.
To be clear, she wasn't she wasn't indicted or convicted due to any of the random, anonymous phone tip BS you posted.
“Smooth Brain” ….. Oh man! 😂
I guess that could be a reason unlikely , but possible. But there are 100's or 1000's of other victim's that reported abuse that were interviewed . And its not anonymous the black box hides the peoples names, they redacted them to protect the people who made the reports. Congress and FBI agents with access to the files can see the names.
But 4 times tells me they had some reason. I would suspect there was a reason that wasn't just her leaving her number . But it could be that, it could be many reasons. Perhaps You could read up on law enforcement interview tactics and FBI ways of doing stuff if You would like to see if Your reasoning is plausible or not.
Trumps name shows up 1000's of times or more in the unredacted versions. So I don't think that the FBI was just doing busy work when they documented those interviews. They have plenty of work .
If that's what I implied you'd certainly have a point, but I didn't. Your reading comprehension is next level.
She was convicted due to witness testimony with corroborating evidence.
None of the testimony you posted had any corroborating evidence to lend it validity. That's why it didn't lead anywhere.
Sadly even if Trump admitted to doing the worst things imaginable , the DOJ has said that the will not indict a sitting president so nothing would have been done to Trump in 2019 anyway.
I doubt anything that has any proof involved with Trump will be released even if it exists.
Assuming he has never had any encounters himself with underaged girls. He has admitted to sexual assault ( " when Your a star You can do anything") . Other admins have also kept some of this hidden , but there were active trials going on so it wasn't as simple. Still multiple admins are guilty of a coverup. But so far only Trump has been quoted as saying that " my friends will be hurt " if the full info on Epstein gets out. SO best case he is guilty by knowing people who did bad stuff and not reporting it, and now trying to stop it from becoming public.
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He wasn't a sitting president from 2008-2017 or from 2021-2025. The Obama and Biden DOJ had access to the vast majority of this evidence that whole time. Maxwell wasn't charged until 2020 and she was sentenced in 2021.
He said his "friends will be hurt" because he knows that there are stupid people who will read anonymous, random bullshit as if it's actual evidence and use that to punish their political enemies.
You might be onto something. The real victims of this case were the politicians all along. What about starting a gofundme for Andrew? Mandelson too perhaps?
So You think that nobody did anything wrong that happens to be in power. Yet the original case that was ready to go to put Epstein away for a longtime back in 06 was shelved for no reason.
To me its pretty obvious that people on both sides of the isle were getting freaky on the island .
It would be a much better place if sexual assaults were not real and everyone was made up.
You really think that many people made stuff up? And Epstein was the only one that did anything wrong? Or was he also slandered and put in jail for fake stories?
It's ironic that you posted this after criticizing MY reading comprehension...
So can we have the rest of the files yet, or?
no no no there's a war now! for reasons!
can't do 2 things at once and the war will take about 50 more years, sorry.
Ah, forgive me. I mistook the US government as being accountable. Silly me!
You all missed the entire reason for the original post, let's get back on track
Unredacted on the house floor today:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00740636.pdf
I didn't read through this whole thread but one thing I have wondered. Democrats controlled the "independent" justice dept. throughout Biden's presidency. The Democrats tried EVERYTHING to destroy Trump leading up to the 2024 election. Now don't you think if there was evidence of Trump being involved with Epstein and raping young girls the Democrats and Merrick Garland would have exploited it. The Democrats had at least 4 years to release the Epstein files but did not. Come on guys just a little bit of critical thinking here. Please?
That’s exactly what everyone has been trying to tell these dumbasses. For them, it’s better to be miserable and angry… truly incredible.
Agreed.
But this is another thread that ran it's course about 30 pages ago.
Didn't read much of this after that.
This creep was invested in more than just the crimes on his island, he was heavily involved in high finance, big tech, and had all involved interwoven into his leverage schemes.
Everyone and their mother posed for photos with him. That doesn't mean all that much.
Dumbgeon time for this beleaguered thread to say the least.
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