James Js7 and The "O show"

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12/23/2010 5:19pm
Get this.

Cycling is about doping with out getting caught.
If you don't understand that, you are lacking on common sense.

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12/23/2010 5:29pm
BTW: Outsider

The last time I looked, the trainer didn't have his ass on the line.
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12/23/2010 5:55pm
jmar wrote:
Get this.

Cycling is about doping with out getting caught.
If you don't understand that, you are lacking on common sense.

My common sense is intact... hence the question.

"Why hire him in the first place?"
12/23/2010 5:55pm
jmar wrote:
Get this.

Cycling is about doping with out getting caught.
If you don't understand that, you are lacking on common sense.

So you are saying RC and JBS are dopers and now Villopoto and Weimer because of their affiliation with Aldon Baker?

I'm not buying it.

James and RC were winning on 65cc bikes by over a minute, the same on 80's and 125's etc. so what has changed?

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12/23/2010 6:00pm
jmar wrote:
Get this.

Cycling is about doping with out getting caught.
If you don't understand that, you are lacking on common sense.

Outsider wrote:
My common sense is intact... hence the question.

"Why hire him in the first place?"
It's all about the ability to train.
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12/23/2010 6:02pm
Baker works with RV as his number 1 priority, Wemer and the whole PC team. He did a deal with Kawasaki.
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12/23/2010 6:02pm
jmar wrote:
Get this.

Cycling is about doping with out getting caught.
If you don't understand that, you are lacking on common sense.

So you are saying RC and JBS are dopers and now Villopoto and Weimer because of their affiliation with Aldon Baker? I'm not buying it. James...
So you are saying RC and JBS are dopers and now Villopoto and Weimer because of their affiliation with Aldon Baker?

I'm not buying it.

James and RC were winning on 65cc bikes by over a minute, the same on 80's and 125's etc. so what has changed?

See above

BTW: Did you watch RC race 65s, 80s and 125s?
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12/23/2010 6:14pm
jmar wrote:
It's all about the ability to train.
That's not what I meant.

Maybe I assumed incorrectly, but, I thought the implication here was that James and Aldon split because James didn't want any part of what you are implying.

If that was the case, why hire him in the first place.

I'm not buying this either.
12/23/2010 6:24pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2010 6:26pm
I just can't believe that you take a winner and then when he wins all the time just like always.....that it is suspect because he had a trainer live with him watch his diet, make him do a calculated planned workout, rest, diet, training, fun day's, family day's program designed to allow him to mentally believe and physically overcome any track, crash, or rider....and since that person came from cycling there had to be dope?

And why would anyone think it would only be one trainer with the good stuff?

I think it is the 100% commited program and I don't think the riders got anything more than insurance out of it. Because these were guy's that always won anyway.



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12/23/2010 6:27pm
jmar wrote:
It's all about the ability to train.
Outsider wrote:
That's not what I meant. Maybe I assumed incorrectly, but, I thought the implication here was that James and Aldon split because James didn't want any...
That's not what I meant.

Maybe I assumed incorrectly, but, I thought the implication here was that James and Aldon split because James didn't want any part of what you are implying.

If that was the case, why hire him in the first place.

I'm not buying this either.
Sometimes it's necessary to use enhancements to speed up the healing process. That's really what these enhancements are all about. Speeds up the healing process and allows a rider to train harder.





12/23/2010 6:39pm
jmar wrote:
It's all about the ability to train.
Outsider wrote:
That's not what I meant. Maybe I assumed incorrectly, but, I thought the implication here was that James and Aldon split because James didn't want any...
That's not what I meant.

Maybe I assumed incorrectly, but, I thought the implication here was that James and Aldon split because James didn't want any part of what you are implying.

If that was the case, why hire him in the first place.

I'm not buying this either.
jmar wrote:
Sometimes it's necessary to use enhancements to speed up the healing process. That's really what these enhancements are all about. Speeds up the healing process and...
Sometimes it's necessary to use enhancements to speed up the healing process. That's really what these enhancements are all about. Speeds up the healing process and allows a rider to train harder.





Most of us understand that.

But James, most of us beleive needs to BACK IT DOWN!

I understand blazing speed requires great strength but do you really train for strength or late moto fitness? Can you do both at once?


And you yourself are talking about training harder. Those riders were already the fastest the results prove. And you just agreed that they trained harder?




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Most of us understand that. But James, most of us beleive needs to BACK IT DOWN! I understand blazing speed requires great strength but do you...
Most of us understand that.

But James, most of us beleive needs to BACK IT DOWN!

I understand blazing speed requires great strength but do you really train for strength or late moto fitness? Can you do both at once?


And you yourself are talking about training harder. Those riders were already the fastest the results prove. And you just agreed that they trained harder?




More riders would be better if they Trained like me...bong loads in the morning, beers and women @ night, guarenteed top 3 finish everynight
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12/23/2010 6:49pm
jmar wrote:
Sometimes it's necessary to use enhancements to speed up the healing process. That's really what these enhancements are all about. Speeds up the healing process and...
Sometimes it's necessary to use enhancements to speed up the healing process. That's really what these enhancements are all about. Speeds up the healing process and allows a rider to train harder.





Jim, I know quite a bit about what the products in question do, both good and bad.

That wasn't the point. Nevermind.
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12/23/2010 6:58pm
I know a guy who's kid is pretty fast. Never quite made it to the big time though. You wouldn't believe how often I've heard stuff like,,,, 'If 'we' had a Pro Circuit bike 'we' could run up front too.' and, 'If 'we' didn't have to work and could ride and train all day, 'we' could get to the next level too.',,,,,, I smell a dose of the same pile in this thread.
12/23/2010 7:00pm
jmar wrote:
Inside knowledge?

How about a little common sense.
people are extremely naive when it comes to this subject they dont want to believe their hero is a doper.
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12/23/2010 7:21pm
jmar wrote:
Inside knowledge?

How about a little common sense.
mxpilot43 wrote:
people are extremely naive when it comes to this subject they dont want to believe their hero is a doper.
It's also unbelievable that people suspect certain riders to be doping when they win.

I have been round and round on this VERY SUBJECT so many times , it makes me puke!

There are things on the market ( right over the friggin' counter! ) you can buy , that will enhance and stimulate muscle growth.......and none of that shit works , unless you MAKE IT work! Diet , exercise , rest , and a shit load of determination is what gets these guys to the top. The ONLY advantage a drug / supplement will help you with is muscle recovery or stamina ( and a few other things )........they do nothing for SPEED!

You are born with it.....or you are NOT born with it.....and no mater how many drugs you put into yourself , it isn't going to make you faster.

Jim.....I've always respected your views on many different things.....but I have to disagree with you on this. Bringing truthful things out in the open is one thing.....but to accuse someone ( anyone ) of doing stuff like that.....you have to have proof.

Believe it or not ( and I don't care who you are ) genetics play a huge role in every sport! And sooner or later.....you come across a couple phenoms that have all the right pieces!

Some people don't need dope to be successful , no matter how people accuse them of it!

Just so you know......I'm a fitness freak as well. And I know damn well what's available legally , and illegally. I've been around and read about shit like this for 25 years.

Bash away.
12/23/2010 7:44pm
jmar wrote:
Inside knowledge?

How about a little common sense.
mxpilot43 wrote:
people are extremely naive when it comes to this subject they dont want to believe their hero is a doper.
jeffro503 wrote:
It's also unbelievable that people suspect certain riders to be doping when they win. I have been round and round on this VERY SUBJECT so many...
It's also unbelievable that people suspect certain riders to be doping when they win.

I have been round and round on this VERY SUBJECT so many times , it makes me puke!

There are things on the market ( right over the friggin' counter! ) you can buy , that will enhance and stimulate muscle growth.......and none of that shit works , unless you MAKE IT work! Diet , exercise , rest , and a shit load of determination is what gets these guys to the top. The ONLY advantage a drug / supplement will help you with is muscle recovery or stamina ( and a few other things )........they do nothing for SPEED!

You are born with it.....or you are NOT born with it.....and no mater how many drugs you put into yourself , it isn't going to make you faster.

Jim.....I've always respected your views on many different things.....but I have to disagree with you on this. Bringing truthful things out in the open is one thing.....but to accuse someone ( anyone ) of doing stuff like that.....you have to have proof.

Believe it or not ( and I don't care who you are ) genetics play a huge role in every sport! And sooner or later.....you come across a couple phenoms that have all the right pieces!

Some people don't need dope to be successful , no matter how people accuse them of it!

Just so you know......I'm a fitness freak as well. And I know damn well what's available legally , and illegally. I've been around and read about shit like this for 25 years.

Bash away.
you sir have been reading the wrong shit for 25yrs. a post like that shows how much you dont know welcome to 2010.
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12/23/2010 8:10pm
jmar wrote:
Inside knowledge?

How about a little common sense.
mxpilot43 wrote:
people are extremely naive when it comes to this subject they dont want to believe their hero is a doper.
jeffro503 wrote:
It's also unbelievable that people suspect certain riders to be doping when they win. I have been round and round on this VERY SUBJECT so many...
It's also unbelievable that people suspect certain riders to be doping when they win.

I have been round and round on this VERY SUBJECT so many times , it makes me puke!

There are things on the market ( right over the friggin' counter! ) you can buy , that will enhance and stimulate muscle growth.......and none of that shit works , unless you MAKE IT work! Diet , exercise , rest , and a shit load of determination is what gets these guys to the top. The ONLY advantage a drug / supplement will help you with is muscle recovery or stamina ( and a few other things )........they do nothing for SPEED!

You are born with it.....or you are NOT born with it.....and no mater how many drugs you put into yourself , it isn't going to make you faster.

Jim.....I've always respected your views on many different things.....but I have to disagree with you on this. Bringing truthful things out in the open is one thing.....but to accuse someone ( anyone ) of doing stuff like that.....you have to have proof.

Believe it or not ( and I don't care who you are ) genetics play a huge role in every sport! And sooner or later.....you come across a couple phenoms that have all the right pieces!

Some people don't need dope to be successful , no matter how people accuse them of it!

Just so you know......I'm a fitness freak as well. And I know damn well what's available legally , and illegally. I've been around and read about shit like this for 25 years.

Bash away.
It's got nothing to do with a rider winning or losing. He has to do with who they hire as a trainer.

Is that really so hard to understand?

Do you hire a fishing guide to take you bear hunting?
Do you hire a IT guy to work on your car?
Do you hire a plumber to re-wire your house?
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12/23/2010 8:18pm
Dungey doesn't have a trainer. Explain why he is so successful.
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12/23/2010 8:20pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2010 8:24pm
To me, the biggest glaring clue that Aldon is into "Performance Enhancing Drugs" is that a chubby RC started the nationals in 2000 and two months later he was completely ripped and skinny. That might be possible if someone was to come off the couch and start training, but RC was already working his ass off pretty good and had a really good cardio base. I just don't think diet alone is enough to change his body like that. If he did change his training that drastically, without drugs, in the middle of the season, he would be exhausted, sick, and dead tired during the races.. To me that makes it suspicious. Not only that but, Brown, Fonseca, Townley and Tedesco said they couldn't keep up with his training program and still feel good enough to race...What would allow only RC to do that and not them? Years of cardio or something else?... It sucks that this is even a possibility. If say some two digit guy on a satellite team were to take performance enhancing drugs no one would care really, however for RC to use them it is a much more serious deal because he is the GOAT and it would asterisk all his accomplishments. In the end he was so gnarly before Aldon that I will give him the benefit of a doubt.

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12/23/2010 8:36pm
jmar wrote:
Sometimes it's necessary to use enhancements to speed up the healing process. That's really what these enhancements are all about. Speeds up the healing process and...
Sometimes it's necessary to use enhancements to speed up the healing process. That's really what these enhancements are all about. Speeds up the healing process and allows a rider to train harder.





I think Jmar might be the person to listen to in this thread. Not that I know anything about cycling or anything...........
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12/23/2010 8:44pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2010 8:46pm
mxpilot43 wrote:
people are extremely naive when it comes to this subject they dont want to believe their hero is a doper.
jeffro503 wrote:
It's also unbelievable that people suspect certain riders to be doping when they win. I have been round and round on this VERY SUBJECT so many...
It's also unbelievable that people suspect certain riders to be doping when they win.

I have been round and round on this VERY SUBJECT so many times , it makes me puke!

There are things on the market ( right over the friggin' counter! ) you can buy , that will enhance and stimulate muscle growth.......and none of that shit works , unless you MAKE IT work! Diet , exercise , rest , and a shit load of determination is what gets these guys to the top. The ONLY advantage a drug / supplement will help you with is muscle recovery or stamina ( and a few other things )........they do nothing for SPEED!

You are born with it.....or you are NOT born with it.....and no mater how many drugs you put into yourself , it isn't going to make you faster.

Jim.....I've always respected your views on many different things.....but I have to disagree with you on this. Bringing truthful things out in the open is one thing.....but to accuse someone ( anyone ) of doing stuff like that.....you have to have proof.

Believe it or not ( and I don't care who you are ) genetics play a huge role in every sport! And sooner or later.....you come across a couple phenoms that have all the right pieces!

Some people don't need dope to be successful , no matter how people accuse them of it!

Just so you know......I'm a fitness freak as well. And I know damn well what's available legally , and illegally. I've been around and read about shit like this for 25 years.

Bash away.
mxpilot43 wrote:
you sir have been reading the wrong shit for 25yrs. a post like that shows how much you dont know welcome to 2010.
I have way more knowledge on this subject than you could possibly understand my friend.



There is a small percentage of people out there that just plain and simple have the genetics to do well at what they compete in.



There were a couple friends of mine i went to hi-school with that fit the exact same stereotypical "drug users" you guys are trying to find. And you know what.....they were not!



At least not the type of drugs you guys are implying. One example is a buddy of mine named Alan. The dude had started smoking weed when he was in 8th grade. And still to this day.....he smokes weed. All the years of growing up around this guy , he never visited a gym to save his life. what pissed me off about him was....he was built like fucking Tarzan! I worked out all the time , and couldn't get myself to even come close to what he looked like. He was strong as a friggin' ox on top of it.



OR....the 3 pense brothers I grew up with. all three of those guys had mutant strength....and all 3 almost made it into the NFL out of college. All three of them were benching over 380lbs in hi-school. Mike....the youngest one , put up 440lbs his senior year.



Genetics.



Am I saying that some riders don't dope? NO.....I know some of them probably do. But you can't accuse someone of doing it , unless you have proof.



Bottom line.....if you were any kind of an athlete in school and up to your mid to later 20's.....how did you feel? i don't know about you , but i felt indestructible! i didn't need any drugs to make me feel that way.....and some of these guys that are being accused of doping.....live a hell of a lot cleaner life than I ever did. + they have a shit load of talent on top of it.



I also come to realize , that "most" of the guys that start throwing accusations around like that , are guys that had no hope at all making it in this sport. They were born with shitty genetics.........so "they" think , in "their" mind.......another person couldn't possibly achieve better....without doping!



Sorry....but I have some fat friends , some short friends , some tall and lanky friends , and some friends that are built like a sherman tank. We all have different genetics.



It's always easy to throw in the "doping" thing.......when someone else passes you up 10X in the sport you love. learn to deal with it.



I'm done.
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12/23/2010 9:23pm
Here is something else to ponder on........

Was Magoo ( Godspeed ) using PEDs when he completely destroyed the fastest riders in the world at the Trophy des nations and MX des nations?

What about JMB when he came over here and made us all look stupid?

What about Ron Lechien who was not only a hard time drug user.....but still mopped up on the competition while he was doing it?

What about the great MC? he ruled SX for 8 years ( won 7 titles ).....was he doping to?

Or what about the great Rick Johnson? Think he doped up ....because he won a lot of titles?


Things have changed for the better in sports nutrition alone. Cyclist are known for doping....but that is also because of the type of sport they are in. Extremely high endurance levels!

And so if we are not going to accuse any of the past champions I listed above.......why would RC be accused of it? Because he was a little more dominant than MC and the rest? Because he is considered the GOAT.......so lets shine this big fucking spot light and microscope on him??

Why isn't someone like KW ( no effing way! ) being accused as well. Being at his age and still winning? what about James , CR , RV and the rest?

OK....now I'm done!
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twizzler wrote:
Dungey doesn't have a trainer. Explain why he is so successful.
Too easy...Whistling
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12/23/2010 11:04pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2010 11:07pm
BIGHEAD1 wrote:
To me, the biggest glaring clue that Aldon is into "Performance Enhancing Drugs" is that a chubby RC started the nationals in 2000 and two months...
To me, the biggest glaring clue that Aldon is into "Performance Enhancing Drugs" is that a chubby RC started the nationals in 2000 and two months later he was completely ripped and skinny. That might be possible if someone was to come off the couch and start training, but RC was already working his ass off pretty good and had a really good cardio base. I just don't think diet alone is enough to change his body like that. If he did change his training that drastically, without drugs, in the middle of the season, he would be exhausted, sick, and dead tired during the races.. To me that makes it suspicious. Not only that but, Brown, Fonseca, Townley and Tedesco said they couldn't keep up with his training program and still feel good enough to race...What would allow only RC to do that and not them? Years of cardio or something else?... It sucks that this is even a possibility. If say some two digit guy on a satellite team were to take performance enhancing drugs no one would care really, however for RC to use them it is a much more serious deal because he is the GOAT and it would asterisk all his accomplishments. In the end he was so gnarly before Aldon that I will give him the benefit of a doubt.

I've pointed the finger many times about this, and got cussed out. The part that gets me is, some people WILL do whatever it takes to win, but all these guys train and I just refuse to believe that nobody could get into the shape RC was in. After he jumped to car racing and rode a few selected rounds I was shocked when he openly admitted that he could no longer run the pace and had gotten "tired" during a race...I don't think he was in better shape than a boxer, swimmer, long distance runner, soccer, or BB player really...
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12/23/2010 11:34pm
if theres anyone here who thinks there hero's are not doping....go punch yourself in the face for being stupid. you probably believe that politicians dont lie. santas real. and elvis is still alive.

people are dumb as shit. nobody believed it was in baseball even when canseco was telling anyone who'd listen.

nobody here has the slightest clue what it means to be as competitive as a professional athlete. when you are than competitive, you will do whatever it takes to win.

the bikes arent legal, so what makes you think their bodies are? shit, the very nature of the sport of motocross is FAR more dangerous than any PED's so who gives a fuck. nobody here is in any position to judge. if you could walk a day in their shoes, and have to deal with the pressure you put on yourself let alone the pressure that comes from friends, family, team, sponsors, etc....you'd be doing anything and everything to get an advantage.

im not implicating anyone specifically. and im not here to judge. as it was said earlier, the PED's are only helpful for those who are already training at their bodies max potential. taking PED's only shows you are that much more competitive than the next guy. the most competitive guy should win.

until youve hired a trainer of aldons ability....better yet, until youve actually needed and been able to handle a trainer of aldons ability, you really should keep your judgement and opinions to your ignorant self.


shit....its unreal how much the "fans" here demand of their riders, then get upset when its suggested that these riders do steroids to live up to your expectations or that they "party" to cope with the pressures of your expectations. theyre human. extraordinary humans, but human nonetheless.
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12/23/2010 11:42pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2010 11:43pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Here is something else to ponder on........ Was Magoo ( Godspeed ) using PEDs when he completely destroyed the fastest riders in the world at the...
Here is something else to ponder on........

Was Magoo ( Godspeed ) using PEDs when he completely destroyed the fastest riders in the world at the Trophy des nations and MX des nations?

What about JMB when he came over here and made us all look stupid?

What about Ron Lechien who was not only a hard time drug user.....but still mopped up on the competition while he was doing it?

What about the great MC? he ruled SX for 8 years ( won 7 titles ).....was he doping to?

Or what about the great Rick Johnson? Think he doped up ....because he won a lot of titles?


Things have changed for the better in sports nutrition alone. Cyclist are known for doping....but that is also because of the type of sport they are in. Extremely high endurance levels!

And so if we are not going to accuse any of the past champions I listed above.......why would RC be accused of it? Because he was a little more dominant than MC and the rest? Because he is considered the GOAT.......so lets shine this big fucking spot light and microscope on him??

Why isn't someone like KW ( no effing way! ) being accused as well. Being at his age and still winning? what about James , CR , RV and the rest?

OK....now I'm done!
They accused Magoo of doping during the MXDN after he was stung by a bee which he was highly allergic to and about passed out after a moto and had to get a shot...
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12/23/2010 11:43pm
Elvis is dead??!! WTF!!!
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Elvis is dead??!! WTF!!!
LMAO!

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