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We get unemployment here in OZ for as long as we need it. And in today's economy most need it.
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If there was no safety net and laid off people had to fend for themselves, the murder rate and theft rate would sky rocket.
Desperate people perform desperate actions when trying to feed themselves and their family.
It can mean moving into a family member's house, a friend's house, receiving help from a family member or from your church or friends.
So at any rate, your horror at the use of the word "mooch" aside, the point is, if the government doesn't extend unemployment benefits any further than the 2 years they have it now, those people who have received the 2 years of government mooch will be forced to do something different. They might have to take that job at McDonald's. They might have to do laborer work. They might have to compete with the illegals for the housekeeping jobs. They will have to do something or starve. Apparently in D.C., that something means joining the already high number of violent criminals there. But if the unemployment stops, you have to do something else.
I've told the story before. When I lost my job 5 years ago in favor of nepotism, I never even made it onto unemployment. I made more money than allowable to collect unemployment within 2 weeks of losing my job. It wasn't from a "job", and it wasn't in my field. But I was doing temp work for a moving company, doing computer repair and service work on the side, and picked up odd jobs. It didn't take much to exceed what the unemployment benefit would have been. But I worked that way for 5 months while I assembled financing from family members and church members to open my own business. I had never intended to open my own business when I got into this line of work 20 years ago. But that's what happened.
The numbers for extending unemployment is peanuts compared to what we are spending on this worthless war. Cut back the defense budget and take care of our own people.
Funny how stuck you are on the term rather than the issue. I thought you guys were the ones that said words (like the "f" word) were OK to use because they didn't hurt anything. Well, except of course the "n" word which is totally verboten.
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Again, how have I softened my stance? I never said there shouldn't be unemployment assistance, I just argued that it should be moderated and doled out in a more strict manner.
Another republican talking point is that they are always against raising taxes.
Then in the next sentence they will tell you that 40% of American households pay no income tax, and that a flat tax is the way forward so that everyone shares the burden.
But, doesn't that just mean that you are actually in favor of a tax increase for the poor and the middle class in order to give a tax cut to those who earn more?
So, you are not really against raising taxes, as long as you only raise them on the poor?
Then CMA tells his story and you tell him he deserves a check. I took it as a change of heart...but, I guess I was making too many assumptions, sorry.
My point about typical is not that the 5% or so terminally unemployed folks are typical, but, that the additional 5% to 15% that are currently unemployed will pretty much have similar stories. They aren't perfect, but they generally did their job and now they don't have a job because the economy went to shit.
As far as just go get a job? Seems like there was a story last summer about some place like Starbucks or McDonalds opening a new store and they had 700 applications???
Of course, SteveS thinks he's a moocher and would have solved his unemployment issue if he worked as hard as SteveS, but that's another story.
Of course numbers can be twisted, which is unfortunate. For some things, the numbers could be used to get to the truth, make a plan, execute it and move on.
What can't be disputed is that there is an ever-growing dependent population. Most rational people will agree that this is a problem.
We have the world before social programs and the world after. We should be able to see if anything made any differences. History can teach us a lot...not that we would listen or learn.
I really am open to corrections if anything in my post was inaccurate.
I agree we spend to much on the war and shouldn't be there anyway.
Are you "entitled" to a job exactly like the one you had before or better? I know there seems to be a philosophy that you don't take a job that's "below" you because you don't want to "hurt" your resume. Personally if I'm looking at a resume and it doesn't show employment for the last 2 or three years of any kind, I'm going to scrutinize that worker more closely than someone whose resume shows that they continued some kind of employment while they were continuing to look for a job to replace the one they left or lost.
As to CMA's story, he worked previously, and he had some period of time to receive unemployment based on his state's plan. If he's been on unemployment for a year now and cannot find another high paying web design job like he had before, it may be time to look for something else. If he's really exhausted every opportunity in that field, what is the better bet? Keep waiting thinking the same field which has had no jobs for 12 months will suddenly have some, or say that there's no future in that field and look at something else that provides a paycheck?
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