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The KTM 2 strokes are very cost effective..... Go buy one!! Oh wait they cost just as much as a 4 stroke!!!
Seriously, some of you think that the big 4 are manufacturing 4 strokes because their margin and parts sales is better is nuts!!! They are faster, easier to ride and easier to maintain for the average guy. Change oil, ride, wash, repeat. If I ever blow a 4 stroke up I will probably not be putting Honda parts back in it, I'll be buying aftermarket parts just like everyone else does.
Lets say Honda goes back to 2 strokes along with 4 strokes. Does an $8000 OTD price 2 stroke make it more affordable than a $9000 OTD priced 4 stroke. I think not.
Carry On.
This is a great idea. Those are popular bikes even with adults and I bet some would give it a go also.
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Maybe he had a catastrophic accident because one of the huge, enormous 450f silencer cans broke off it's mooring lines in front of him. It was a HUGE thing that barely fit under the number plate, and made the modern 450f's rear end about as wide as a 70's twin shocker, but none of the magazines ever seem to take note of that because it's their job to shoot all the photos from angles that make it less noticable.
The HUGE 4 stroke silencer rolled down the track like a garbage barge tumbling in a tidal wave, then came to rest in the bottom of a large impact crater, and the guy on the 150SX hit it and went over the bars, also damaging his silencer mounting bracket. He fixed it in like 5 minutes and was back in action!
The 450f rider who had lost his huge slilencer could not continue to ride however, because he had to call Vance and Hines and they sent out a flatbed and winch to pick up his silencer but when they tried to hook up the winch they found the silencer's towing hitch broken. By the time miners were able to tunnel underneath the HUGE 4 stroke silencer to get a lifting harness in place, the pricey exhaust system had to be called a "Total", and all the workers left the site. The local power company, who had removed electrical lines along the route where the 450f exhaust system was to be moved were able to restore service when Vance and Hines declared the system a loss. The track owner says the system will be buried in place where it lies.
This whole thead is clown shoes really.. Last I checked this was the same sport no matter what you rode. You can piss and moan all day about the direction everything has taken (because last I checked everything was more expensive, not just motorcycles) or you can freaking relax and realize your beloved 2-stroke is still a viable option to get out from behind that keyboard and go ride just like my 450 is.
Twice the size almost and running all the latest crapola, and still it's not as good in the hands of the best riders. Reading that about the 250sxf was like watching Miss Piggy take a cream pie in the face! Priceless!
That test cracked me up!
In a lot of ways I guess 4 strokes are like Bristol Palin, and 4 stroke fans are kind of like Bristol Palin fans. They don't care if their dancer's a little on the heavy side, a little sluggish on her feet, and generally wooden, expressionless and un engaging. They know that as long as there's a rediculously huge handicap in place, she's almost got what it takes to be competitive.
I think two strokes are great for those of you who want to ride them, but they will never make their way back to pro level racing. I really have a great appreciation for those who still love and enjoy riding the two strokes. What I don't care for is those who are consumed with thinking that you lives are some how not "whole" because the masses prefer four strokes.
Honestly
How many post have you seen about someone wishing they were still typing away on a 386 computer?
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Small bores are a different story. The magic number in the lites should be somewhere around 200cc.
Good one Jmar. I agree 100%!!
The "lites" class should be 125 2 strokes and up to 200cc 4 strokes....
Better yet, bring back the 125 class.. make it the "pro class" for 16-20yr olds...keep the east/west for supercross. Put strict limits on the salary of the riders, no works parts, and if you win a championship you are allowed one year to defend it before your bumped out of the class. This will keep career "lites" riders from taking up rides and purse money from young up and comming riders looking to get noticed . This will also be a safe option, since a 125 is easier to control, and is less likely capable of the balls of steel huge leaps that alot of the 4 strokes are doing right out of corners
In supercross make the 450 class a true open class, run what you brung, and size bike, full works etc. This will be the cream of the crop, the best riders, on the best machine for them.. Allowing works bikes in this class will breed new innovation, allow smaller mfg's like TM and aprillia to compete and open up more oppritunities
Outdoors, you could run all 3 classes, 125,250, and open..match displacement, any number of strokes..same rules as indoors, but make the 250 class have the current production rule.. You could even slit the 125 class with the current womens class, with 6 races each...This will give the fans more for their money, and be a safer, more affordable stepping stone for your pro's straight out of the amatuer ranks who dont have a ride yet
Tiiiiill... Last year. They are back. I see plenty at every track I go to with more and more
fast guys on them. In a sea of orange, KTM is still selling all they can make while
laughing all the way to the bank.
Yes the 2 stroke riders HAVE spoken with their wallet.
Again, Which type of bikes are cluttering the showrooms with warehouses three
model years old all collecting dust? You can not buy or dealer trade for a 250 or 150sx
anywhere near here even if you have cash in hand. Even KTM, the 2 stroke kings,
are SOLD OUT.
"The 450 class should be an open class for any displacement you want to run."
Agreed. The open class bikes surely never weighed more. They have been lighter
and had more power. Heavy bikes and 450 bore sounds like Open to me.
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