Lead Law - we need your help

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all that matters is if you got money or a big dick,that is all the cocksuckers in DC like.

at some point you will all get pissed enuff to pick up a piece and head up there and make them pay for what they have done to the USA.

Let me know when that point is reached,till then I'll just keep pumping lead into an old b210 back in the woods.It had a nice spraycan pic of obammie on it but now its just 2 big ears with a baasketball size hole between.

Amazin what lead will do
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mx_momma wrote:
I know most of you are past the 50 and 65 stage, but for the sport to continue to stay strong and grow, we need our...
I know most of you are past the 50 and 65 stage, but for the sport to continue to stay strong and grow, we need our young riders!! Please help...

Lead Law is baaaccckkkk!!!!

Please visit ama-cycle.org to learn more and "like" the following page on facebook, there is a link to the ama page where you can send a letter to your congressmen and senators/info/flyer you can print out and take to the track to help spread the word

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fight-the-Lead-Law-going-back-into-effect-May-1-2011/142675242452074
Tell that to all the people from AMA, MX Sports, MIC, Tom Self, mini manufacturers, and other motocross brand reps who went to Washington to fight the CPSIA (many of which are still proactively fighting), and see what they say. Ask them about the parameters for "being compliant", and what it would cost them to get tested and approved by a third-party, government-accredited laboratory. Tell them they can mitigate this whole thing with a simple letter, and that they're just being "paranoid".

Also, tell the dealers that not a single part or bike was pulled from their shelves. "Inform" the dealers --who were already struggling through a dwindling economy, and who received mandates from the big 4 telling them to take everything off their shelves/showroom floor-- that the CPSIA didn't negatively influence their business, and that all this will just "simmer down to a non issue".

Tell them that everything you've said up to this point is "no bullshit". I'd love to hear their response, not to mention the complete fool you would make of yourself.
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mx_momma wrote:
I know most of you are past the 50 and 65 stage, but for the sport to continue to stay strong and grow, we need our...
I know most of you are past the 50 and 65 stage, but for the sport to continue to stay strong and grow, we need our young riders!! Please help...

Lead Law is baaaccckkkk!!!!

Please visit ama-cycle.org to learn more and "like" the following page on facebook, there is a link to the ama page where you can send a letter to your congressmen and senators/info/flyer you can print out and take to the track to help spread the word

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fight-the-Lead-Law-going-back-into-effect-May-1-2011/142675242452074
4mxonly wrote:
Tell that to all the people from AMA, MX Sports, MIC, Tom Self, mini manufacturers, and other motocross brand reps who went to Washington to fight...
Tell that to all the people from AMA, MX Sports, MIC, Tom Self, mini manufacturers, and other motocross brand reps who went to Washington to fight the CPSIA (many of which are still proactively fighting), and see what they say. Ask them about the parameters for "being compliant", and what it would cost them to get tested and approved by a third-party, government-accredited laboratory. Tell them they can mitigate this whole thing with a simple letter, and that they're just being "paranoid".

Also, tell the dealers that not a single part or bike was pulled from their shelves. "Inform" the dealers --who were already struggling through a dwindling economy, and who received mandates from the big 4 telling them to take everything off their shelves/showroom floor-- that the CPSIA didn't negatively influence their business, and that all this will just "simmer down to a non issue".

Tell them that everything you've said up to this point is "no bullshit". I'd love to hear their response, not to mention the complete fool you would make of yourself.
agree with 4mxonly completely.

as for not being able to get parts before the stay was put in place - we could NOT get ANY parts for our KTM 50 as they had received letters saying they couldn't sell it. We eventually found a dealer 7 hours away that was willing to sell us the parts.

As for ONE part from a mini that is on a big bike - it's not the exact SKU, but the mini classes represent a large part of PROFIT for the companies' sales, so when one portion of their profits are removed, it might be just enough to put them under or cause them to raise prices.

Yes, there are ways around the lead laws - but the repercussions if caught are huge and the cost to comply is prohibitive.
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mx_momma wrote:
I know most of you are past the 50 and 65 stage, but for the sport to continue to stay strong and grow, we need our...
I know most of you are past the 50 and 65 stage, but for the sport to continue to stay strong and grow, we need our young riders!! Please help...

Lead Law is baaaccckkkk!!!!

Please visit ama-cycle.org to learn more and "like" the following page on facebook, there is a link to the ama page where you can send a letter to your congressmen and senators/info/flyer you can print out and take to the track to help spread the word

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fight-the-Lead-Law-going-back-into-effect-May-1-2011/142675242452074
4mxonly wrote:
Tell that to all the people from AMA, MX Sports, MIC, Tom Self, mini manufacturers, and other motocross brand reps who went to Washington to fight...
Tell that to all the people from AMA, MX Sports, MIC, Tom Self, mini manufacturers, and other motocross brand reps who went to Washington to fight the CPSIA (many of which are still proactively fighting), and see what they say. Ask them about the parameters for "being compliant", and what it would cost them to get tested and approved by a third-party, government-accredited laboratory. Tell them they can mitigate this whole thing with a simple letter, and that they're just being "paranoid".

Also, tell the dealers that not a single part or bike was pulled from their shelves. "Inform" the dealers --who were already struggling through a dwindling economy, and who received mandates from the big 4 telling them to take everything off their shelves/showroom floor-- that the CPSIA didn't negatively influence their business, and that all this will just "simmer down to a non issue".

Tell them that everything you've said up to this point is "no bullshit". I'd love to hear their response, not to mention the complete fool you would make of yourself.
Then bring on your evidence mouth of wisdom. Parts were never pulled, gear was never pulled, BIKES were the only thing to stop selling. Dont argue your opinion, get the facts. Or just wait till the stay is over so you can see the fool is, you. You dont hear anything about this anymore other then from a bunch of uninformed dirt heads

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We tried to get a brake cable for our daughters CRF50 last year and they wouldn't sell it to us, so mx4life is correct towlie. We use Trimble's Honda out of Austin MN 1-507-437-6661 if anybody doubts it. It will affect many aspects of mx if they push this through, it is a good law concerning the toys but as normal the politicians or epa or whoever did a shit job of describing what needed to be checked. It is true that we need the kids to keep the sport alive as well, the best times of my life happen to be riding with my kids and wife. As I stated before, the government has enough laws already, I'm certain that somewhere there is probably a law that would say we need to check on toys but instead of enforcing the law already on the books they make a new one to justify they're worthless existence. NO MORE LAWS! ENFORCE THE ONES WE HAVE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE!
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You're wrong, Towelie
There were dealers nationwide pulling BOTH bikes and parts for kids

Never speak in absolutes....

There were some, many actually, who pulled both bikes and the parts for those bikes last year.

You're wrong

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hillbilly wrote:
all that matters is if you got money or a big dick,that is all the cocksuckers in DC like. at some point you will all get...
all that matters is if you got money or a big dick,that is all the cocksuckers in DC like.

at some point you will all get pissed enuff to pick up a piece and head up there and make them pay for what they have done to the USA.

Let me know when that point is reached,till then I'll just keep pumping lead into an old b210 back in the woods.It had a nice spraycan pic of obammie on it but now its just 2 big ears with a baasketball size hole between.

Amazin what lead will do
Cool

You sound hardcore, man.
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mx_momma wrote:
I know most of you are past the 50 and 65 stage, but for the sport to continue to stay strong and grow, we need our...
I know most of you are past the 50 and 65 stage, but for the sport to continue to stay strong and grow, we need our young riders!! Please help...

Lead Law is baaaccckkkk!!!!

Please visit ama-cycle.org to learn more and "like" the following page on facebook, there is a link to the ama page where you can send a letter to your congressmen and senators/info/flyer you can print out and take to the track to help spread the word

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fight-the-Lead-Law-going-back-into-effect-May-1-2011/142675242452074
Towelie,,to further isolate the quote " Name ONE part from a mini that is used on a big bike?

KTM p/n 50305012000 - Exhaust swing element
Used on every two stoke from the 50SX to the 300.,since at least 2004-present models LOOK IT UP !!!! Thats the only p/n i felt like wasting my time to find to prove my point ...NO BULLSHIT,,not trying to further my cause as you put it.

Throttles and cables for 85'-300s ,,same Kawasaki also uses the same throttles fror mini's and big 2 strokes.

Yes, there were ways around it last time and many dealers were saying fuck it,,and selling shit anyways...But many WERE NOT !!!

So,,,,,,,FUCK YOU
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and the ends of throttle cables are made of?

Right, lead




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I know it may be hard for some to believe, but there happen to be bigger issues in DC than the lead law.

Unemployment affects far more people than banning mini bikes.

Good luck with the fight. I wish you the best with your fight.

And, yes, I have a son that rides 65s. I just don't see motocross as the only priority in life.
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YZ85 and YZ125:
clutch lever 4GY-83912-00-00
brake lever 5MV-83922-00-00
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unemployment, thats ez- kick out the illegals and fine companies that hire them. done deal and you would have at least a million more jobs available.
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Im not sure some of you are even capable of comprehensive thinking. Who ever is trying to peddle their troubles buying shit last year, the stay of exicution went into effect 2 years ago. Like I said, I have no problem getting parts, continue to get parts and the person above is right, this is a non issue anymore. Good day. And Erik, get a grip, get a job, get a clue
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SteveS wrote:
YZ85 and YZ125:
clutch lever 4GY-83912-00-00
brake lever 5MV-83922-00-00
85's will probably be exempt as long as they put 'for riders 13 yrs and older' stickers on thim.
Besides, aftermarket companies will still sell this stuff along with throttle cables, clutch cables, ect.... They can market them for big bikes only.
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Towelie wrote:
Im not sure some of you are even capable of comprehensive thinking. Who ever is trying to peddle their troubles buying shit last year, the stay...
Im not sure some of you are even capable of comprehensive thinking. Who ever is trying to peddle their troubles buying shit last year, the stay of exicution went into effect 2 years ago. Like I said, I have no problem getting parts, continue to get parts and the person above is right, this is a non issue anymore. Good day. And Erik, get a grip, get a job, get a clue
Like I said in my original post, tell all the key people that are fighting this issue (e.g. MX Sports, AMA, MIC, etc.) about your "comprehensive" understanding on the CPSIA... and when you do have that conversation, do me a favor and record it so I can hear it, and laugh at how thoroughly misinformed you really are.
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And towlie, after you get proved wrong, dont forget to bring a towel to wipe the tears up. You have been proven wrong in this post multiple times. stoned mofo.........
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Some of you are so stupid it should scare yourselves. I just spoke to 3 different dealers, all the manufacturers are in compliance and this is a non issue, so use the towel to soak all that ownage pinheads
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More info, 50's are the bikes that are affected and yamaha has stopped production of 50's, for week sales, not the law, ktn, honda claim they are in compliance. See how facts, not blind opinion works?
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The CPSIA affects ALL products intended for use by children 12 and under.
Period. End of story.
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SteveS wrote:
The CPSIA affects ALL products intended for use by children 12 and under.
Period. End of story.
Thats what I said earlier in this post.
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SteveS wrote:
The CPSIA affects ALL products intended for use by children 12 and under.
Period. End of story.
Not arguine that, arguing that MX is ruined cause of it. Call your local dealer for yourself, several just said its a non issue and the manufacturers are in compliance with the law, which is why the only place you hear the hysteria is message boards
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Provide documentation that a KX65 and all the 85's are in compliance

Thank you in advance



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SteveS wrote:
The CPSIA affects ALL products intended for use by children 12 and under.
Period. End of story.
Towelie wrote:
Not arguine that, arguing that MX is ruined cause of it. Call your local dealer for yourself, several just said its a non issue and the...
Not arguine that, arguing that MX is ruined cause of it. Call your local dealer for yourself, several just said its a non issue and the manufacturers are in compliance with the law, which is why the only place you hear the hysteria is message boards
The "hysteria" is not coming from the message boards only. The AMA's legislative alert emails and website pages are full of information on this. There are representatives in Congress who have written the bills ready to exempt dirt bikes, but without some pressure from the constituency the committees won't move them forward.
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11/17/2010 3:58pm Edited Date/Time 11/17/2010 3:59pm
SteveS wrote:
The "hysteria" is not coming from the message boards only. The AMA's legislative alert emails and website pages are full of information on this. There are...
The "hysteria" is not coming from the message boards only. The AMA's legislative alert emails and website pages are full of information on this. There are representatives in Congress who have written the bills ready to exempt dirt bikes, but without some pressure from the constituency the committees won't move them forward.
You know it's kind of funny, because in all the time this has been going on, I've wondered why the AMA hasn't utilized the one thing that really binds all track promoters and racers... AMA membership. I'm not saying that the AMA hasn't been actively fighting this thing (because they have), but I've posed this question in the past with some key people and received no real answer, in that: Why wouldn't the AMA reach out to all the track promoters they sanction (not just mx tracks, but flat track, ice racing, enduros, harescrambles, etc.) and ask for them to have racers sign a petition at the track gate or sign up (where they're already signing documents to race anyway), and likely accrue hundreds of thousands of signatures opposing the CPSIA bill? I mean --talk about a constituency! Moreover, the AMA could run some catchy campaigns, and focus it all within a months' time (as well as a strategically busy time of the year for any racer), and call it something similar to what they're doing now (i.e. "Vote like a Motorcyclist" Month). Seems like an easy and effective way to gather documented support and have a collective voice, rather than asking people to seek out information themselves (which I'm assuming didn't get nearly the amount of conversions they were hoping for).



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SteveS wrote:
The "hysteria" is not coming from the message boards only. The AMA's legislative alert emails and website pages are full of information on this. There are...
The "hysteria" is not coming from the message boards only. The AMA's legislative alert emails and website pages are full of information on this. There are representatives in Congress who have written the bills ready to exempt dirt bikes, but without some pressure from the constituency the committees won't move them forward.
4mxonly wrote:
You know it's kind of funny, because in all the time this has been going on, I've wondered why the AMA hasn't utilized the one thing...
You know it's kind of funny, because in all the time this has been going on, I've wondered why the AMA hasn't utilized the one thing that really binds all track promoters and racers... AMA membership. I'm not saying that the AMA hasn't been actively fighting this thing (because they have), but I've posed this question in the past with some key people and received no real answer, in that: Why wouldn't the AMA reach out to all the track promoters they sanction (not just mx tracks, but flat track, ice racing, enduros, harescrambles, etc.) and ask for them to have racers sign a petition at the track gate or sign up (where they're already signing documents to race anyway), and likely accrue hundreds of thousands of signatures opposing the CPSIA bill? I mean --talk about a constituency! Moreover, the AMA could run some catchy campaigns, and focus it all within a months' time (as well as a strategically busy time of the year for any racer), and call it something similar to what they're doing now (i.e. "Vote like a Motorcyclist" Month). Seems like an easy and effective way to gather documented support and have a collective voice, rather than asking people to seek out information themselves (which I'm assuming didn't get nearly the amount of conversions they were hoping for).



My .02
You really have no idea how government works do you? The gays have a army ten times larger then freakin MX and lobbyists to boot, you see many of them getting married these days?? The manufacturers get that and simply decided its not worth fighting, either things were brought into compliance or they simply discontinued the product. Its really that simple
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flarider wrote:
Provide documentation that a KX65 and all the 85's are in compliance

Thank you in advance



LOL at Florida, 80's were never included in the ban bonehead.
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flarider wrote:
Provide documentation that a KX65 and all the 85's are in compliance

Thank you in advance



Towelie wrote:
LOL at Florida, 80's were never included in the ban bonehead.
I know that, but then you should have no problem with the documentation

How about for the 65's?
How about the 50's?

and don't forget to include the recreationals

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Towlie- I called my dealer again to verify what you are saying, he said NO they are NOT compliant. The ban will be in full effect again unless we do something about it and furthermore there are WAY more people than politicians, are you saying that the government is stronger than the people? So if all of the ama members sign a petition there will be more politicians than ama members to impede us? NO WAY! The bikers outnumber the dweebs 100 to 1 I want the names and numbers of the dealers you called today and I will call them tomorrow morning to verify what you are saying, maybe my guy is wrong. If so I will be the first to apologize
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Towelie wrote:
You really have no idea how government works do you? The gays have a army ten times larger then freakin MX and lobbyists to boot, you...
You really have no idea how government works do you? The gays have a army ten times larger then freakin MX and lobbyists to boot, you see many of them getting married these days?? The manufacturers get that and simply decided its not worth fighting, either things were brought into compliance or they simply discontinued the product. Its really that simple
Well Towelie, let's just put it this way... Number 1, I can only formulate an opinion based off of information I have heard from people that have actually GONE to congress to fight against this particular bill; and 2, I'm an optimist --I like to present ideas as a means of generating interest and letting people do with it, whatever they so choose. In your case, you are dismissing it as far fetched, and that's ok. I understand the ideal channels for making headway ("show me the money"). On the other hand, if everyone thought like you, then there would be no progress, because you're clearly not swayed by a rational thought-driven majority (who have confirmed, and reconfirmed actual FACTS), and you use your own biased perception as some kind of indisputable trump card.

Moreover, you'd be surprised how effective creative marketing and strategic planning can be as a springboard for a major movement. Your "army of gays" comment is a perfect example... how do you think they became such a large and collective force? They effectively marketed themselves as a victimized majority in society, creating parallels with civil rights, and leveraged that assimilation as a means of garnering support.

The user who started this thread obviously has a legitimate concern --one that most everyone in the motocross community is aware of, unless of course you've been living under a rock for the past year or, in your case, are unaware of the realities and consequences of the CPSIA outside of the bubble you're living in.
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Towelie wrote:
You really have no idea how government works do you? The gays have a army ten times larger then freakin MX and lobbyists to boot, you...
You really have no idea how government works do you? The gays have a army ten times larger then freakin MX and lobbyists to boot, you see many of them getting married these days?? The manufacturers get that and simply decided its not worth fighting, either things were brought into compliance or they simply discontinued the product. Its really that simple
4mxonly wrote:
Well Towelie, let's just put it this way... Number 1, I can only formulate an opinion based off of information I have heard from people that...
Well Towelie, let's just put it this way... Number 1, I can only formulate an opinion based off of information I have heard from people that have actually GONE to congress to fight against this particular bill; and 2, I'm an optimist --I like to present ideas as a means of generating interest and letting people do with it, whatever they so choose. In your case, you are dismissing it as far fetched, and that's ok. I understand the ideal channels for making headway ("show me the money"). On the other hand, if everyone thought like you, then there would be no progress, because you're clearly not swayed by a rational thought-driven majority (who have confirmed, and reconfirmed actual FACTS), and you use your own biased perception as some kind of indisputable trump card.

Moreover, you'd be surprised how effective creative marketing and strategic planning can be as a springboard for a major movement. Your "army of gays" comment is a perfect example... how do you think they became such a large and collective force? They effectively marketed themselves as a victimized majority in society, creating parallels with civil rights, and leveraged that assimilation as a means of garnering support.

The user who started this thread obviously has a legitimate concern --one that most everyone in the motocross community is aware of, unless of course you've been living under a rock for the past year or, in your case, are unaware of the realities and consequences of the CPSIA outside of the bubble you're living in.
Although I agree with quite a bit of what you say, again its really this simple; the manufacturers do not care and are not fighting it so why would congress feel a need to overturn this?

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