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Where in the rulebook does it say " if you foul the gate, but wait x seconds to let everyone go ahead your fine"?
I missed that part.
Did Barcia get a penalty? Other than basically a last place start? Simply understanding how the self penalizing gate works would help to understand why it ended up the way it did and why Jett got the penalty.
There is either room for judgement or there isn't. You can't have it both ways. There is NOTHING under the current rule that Jett Could have done after that gate flipped forward. Unless that " may" leaves room for interpretation of the rule which is what I am arguing.
The AMA official said that he read the rule as not having any room for a judgement call right? This is not me taking a wild guess, its a quote from the official who made the decision to penalize Jett. And wrongly read it as having the option of taking a lap or DQing Jett. When the penalty is written clearly 20 pages past the rule. Stating first time is a lap, second is DQ .
The harsh penalty was again put in place for people that were purposely jumping the gate like that GIF of Jlaw.
Barcia still wasn't the last place rider off the gate , so by the how is it different from Jett letting all but 2 people pass him before he started back on the gas? Its really not. AND doesn't matter anyway the way the rule is currently written.
Again , my argument is that the AMA official interpreted the rule wrong and did not act in the spirit of the rule , the penalty was adjusted to be a lap instead of a single spot after Jlaw jumped the gate and they realized others would do it and a single spot was not going to matter to a mid pack or top 10 rider as much as the advantage they could get by getting a holeshot. And that the rule is not written clearly if the AMA official can be confused about how the penalties are chosen, as well as the ability for them to make a judgement.
People that are doing this at the highest levels are reading the rule book to see what's NOT in there as much as what is. To find every advantage and grey area possible.
No He could have let everybody go , but the way that the AMA official read the rule that wouldn't matter. After he had that Jump on everybody Jett was done, no way to recover.
According to him, he only had a choice to dock a lap, or DQ Jett. NO MATTER what Jett did after his gate fell forward and he left the gate before everybody.
Jett stopped and let all but 2 guys pass who had issues themselves and he likely didn't know they were back there. That could have been enough if it mattered, The Official could have said he let what he thought was everybody by. But again he read it as he had to pick between the 2 options. Lap or DQ.
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The AMA rules don't define what constitutes a "jump start", why is this not definition, why is it open to interpretation?
Mike Pelletier explained it quite clearly with video to back it up. There’s just 5-6 of you that have been led to the water, but still refuse to drink…
I'm not reading the whole thread but....
Has anyone called this "Gategate" yet?
And he got it wrong. He did not go by the rule book. He thought he had the choice of which penalty to give. When the reality was he had the choice to penalize or not, then the penalty was set as a lap for first time offense.
The rule needs to be written clearer . They have a section with definitions of the terms used. They need to define what constitutes a jumped start.
Because again, that penalty was put in place for riders who purposely and literally jumped the gate.
He got it wrong?? HAHAHA!!! Only in the opinion of a couple of you psychos.
10-11 days later and there’s still an argument going on?
The internet never fails to deliver.
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I agree with your argument. It’s a poorly written rule in regards to an infraction that’s horribly defined and was then very poorly interpreted by the ama officials. Especially so when the context is considered.
Ultimately the rule says “may” which leaves it open to interpretation, so I would say the ama official made the wrong call. Problem is, is he is allowed to make the wrong call.
Imo they shouldn’t have been, or be in such a rush to make a decision. Infractions like this should be go into a review process with a group of individuals before making a final judgement. No need to rush it.
You clearly didn't read my comment, a penalty for a "jump start" is defined in the rules, but what constitutes a "jump start" is not defined, rules should be clearly written, there should be no room for interpretation.
There should be no reading between the lines, there should be no implied rules, if it's not clearly defined, it is not a rule.
Mike Pelletier explaining it doesn't make it a rule, it makes it his interpretation of a rule, what if he said all blue bikes should be penalized a lap, because that's his interpretation of the rules, would you be happy with that?
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He fouled the gate…. Then didn’t suffer the penalty designed in to the backward falling gate, and he crossed the gate before anyone else.
Did Honda appeal? Is it under review? Did the penalty get overturned? That tells you all you need to know. I’m out.
"he crossed the gate before anyone else"
That's not a rule!
I can tell you didn’t actually listen to the Pelletier explanation….
Show me where "crossing the gate before anyone else" is defined in the rules...
https://www.amaproracing.com/assets/view/28756/2025-AMAP-MX-Rulebook-Final.pdf
Pelletier explaining how he interpreted the rules, shows how poorly written the rules are, there should be no need for an explanation, it should be clearly written in the rules.
I don't disagree with the need for a penalty, I am saying the rules need to be changed to define a "jump start".
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Why would Honda appeal and deny Hunter his first victory? Jett didn’t need the points so there’s really not much point appealing.
Mike should have worded it differently. "Jett was in front of the gate when the gate dropped." Which is the result of fouling the gate.
I think its pretty clear the rule needs to be rewritten to be more clear.
The amount of people who know what they are talking about ( not saying I'm one of those people who know better, just that I agree with that opinion) that have said it should be rewritten along with so many different ways people have read what the rule means, with some using rules from their local orgs, or "common sense" to decide what they think it means.
Perhaps have an asterisk to let people know there is another section that has the penalties and when and how they should be applied.
When it comes down to it, if a rule is NOT written in the rule book, it doesn't matter if it should be common sense, It IS not a rule.
I think that the involvement of gambling has increased the pressure to have quicker rulings when they will impact race results. I say this based off interviews with multiple industry people I have heard, where they speak about how its changed things.
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