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Lierop 2012 ... wake up, guys ... it's Lommel 2012.
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9/28/2010 9:59pm
Rudicross wrote:
Lierop 2012 ... wake up, guys ... it's Lommel 2012.
lol .... cmon rudi , you should have let them build a replica of lierop before you told them . Laughing
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9/28/2010 10:18pm
fader418 wrote:
Pretty quiet around here lately.......
ummmmm....but they dont participate in MX Blink
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9/29/2010 12:03am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 12:06am
pcdoc wrote:
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size...
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size area in europe say, and pick the 3 best riders from that area regardless of country, and I'm saying the odds of the US winning each year would go down drastically. Roczen, Cairoli, Purcell ???? Desalle, Roczen, Cairoli??? Oh, and I saw Geoff running around all weekend...he was workin his butt off Wink
If that is true, how do you explain Belgium being in the top 3 in the MXON for the last I don't know how many years? They have a population of 10,708,433, England 50 million, France 62 million, and America 307 million.

Belgium rocks if it is raw numbers of people. It is much more than that, interest and is motocross part of the culture. But Belgium still rocks and if population counts they pump out a lot of fast guys with one of the smallest populations.

Don't get me wrong, population CAN help but Russia and China have a much bigger population than the USA, but how well do they do in the MXON, not. Interest, wealth, resources (tracks and support) and individual determination play big parts. If there is no interest, the other numbers do not matter.

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9/29/2010 12:17am
In China, India there is no motocross community.China has a few moped races at best.It`s pretty pointless
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9/29/2010 1:04am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 1:04am
fader418 wrote:
Pretty quiet around here lately.......
pcdoc wrote:
ummmmm....but they dont participate in MX Blink
They did at Matterley Basin 2006 MXDN. Riders were about 45 secs a lap slower than leaders.
I thought they'd be back by now with prototype mx rider #2 by now but they are just so busy building an industrial empire!
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9/29/2010 2:54am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 2:57am
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If that is true, how do you explain Belgium being in the top 3 in the MXON for the last I don't know how many years...
If that is true, how do you explain Belgium being in the top 3 in the MXON for the last I don't know how many years? They have a population of 10,708,433, England 50 million, France 62 million, and America 307 million.

Belgium rocks if it is raw numbers of people. It is much more than that, interest and is motocross part of the culture. But Belgium still rocks and if population counts they pump out a lot of fast guys with one of the smallest populations.

Don't get me wrong, population CAN help but Russia and China have a much bigger population than the USA, but how well do they do in the MXON, not. Interest, wealth, resources (tracks and support) and individual determination play big parts. If there is no interest, the other numbers do not matter.
This is why Belgium is the best MX country ever.

Look how many championships these guys own.

Also do good at the MXdN, they never have a weak link in the team like we do in Holland.



We always struggle to come up with 3 very good ridersm, we have Herlings and de Reuver but no third guy like them.

I wish our weak link was a guy with the qualities like Andrew Short.



And about Geoff:
He's only here 2 month's leading up to the MXdN to have fun with you guys and disappears right after. Smile
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9/29/2010 3:21am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 3:23am
pcdoc wrote:
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size...
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size area in europe say, and pick the 3 best riders from that area regardless of country, and I'm saying the odds of the US winning each year would go down drastically. Roczen, Cairoli, Purcell ???? Desalle, Roczen, Cairoli??? Oh, and I saw Geoff running around all weekend...he was workin his butt off Wink
Billy Jack wrote:
I can see your point, but then again, what if we just take WA, MN, and Florida? Let's face it, we'd be a contender!
You don't understand mate.

Choosing the states first to make a team is just like choosing the riders itself.



You have to come up with 3 racers from each state just like the Euros have to come up with 3 riders from each country.



So 3 riders from WA, or 3 from MN, or 3 from FL.



From WA you have RV and Hill, who would be your third rider?

From MN you have Dungey? Which other 2?

From FL you have Stewart and......



Makes it alot tougher doesn't it?
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9/29/2010 6:11am
pcdoc wrote:
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size...
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size area in europe say, and pick the 3 best riders from that area regardless of country, and I'm saying the odds of the US winning each year would go down drastically. Roczen, Cairoli, Purcell ???? Desalle, Roczen, Cairoli??? Oh, and I saw Geoff running around all weekend...he was workin his butt off Wink
Billy Jack wrote:
I can see your point, but then again, what if we just take WA, MN, and Florida? Let's face it, we'd be a contender!
Jefro98 wrote:
You don't understand mate. Choosing the states first to make a team is just like choosing the riders itself. You have to come up with 3...
You don't understand mate.

Choosing the states first to make a team is just like choosing the riders itself.



You have to come up with 3 racers from each state just like the Euros have to come up with 3 riders from each country.



So 3 riders from WA, or 3 from MN, or 3 from FL.



From WA you have RV and Hill, who would be your third rider?

From MN you have Dungey? Which other 2?

From FL you have Stewart and......



Makes it alot tougher doesn't it?
Jefro98, it probably isn't even that clear cut. Minnesota has a total population of a little over 5mil, Washington 6.6mil, and Florida 18mil. Those three states alone, are less than 50% of France's and GB's population (approx. 62mil each). I think you'd have to break up the United States (300mil) in 4-6 regions(i.e. Southeast, Northeast, Southwest, Northwest, Central) and see what you could pull from those regions That would be a more realistic comparison. And, at that, I think the 2-3 or those US regions would still be very much in the hunt for the Chamberlain cup.

Then you have to take certain states out, like Wisconsin, Montana, Utah, Idaho (Weimer?) North/South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska, etc. because they aren't motocross breeding grounds... they're just barren land masses with only farmers and ranchers living there, much like Canada Smile

There are plenty of states that haven't produced a top 20 national series caliber racer. Shouldn't those be taken out of the equation?
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You guys are sure right about Belgium...what a phenomenal record from that small country, but it is still very difficult for most small countries to put together 3 riders. The other thing...I heard Jimmy Albertson talking about this...in europe, not as many people have the resources to race MX themselves, so they attend races as fans...In the US, there is a deep base of amature MX which allows for more fast riders to develope and move into the top or pro ranks. Dont get me wrong, I'm and American, and I love to see the US win...I just wish it wasnt such a slam dunk most years. This year was so exciting with the final coming down to the last race...that was cool Smile
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9/29/2010 6:27am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 6:29am
VOODOO27 wrote:
Jefro98, it probably isn't even that clear cut. Minnesota has a total population of a little over 5mil, Washington 6.6mil, and Florida 18mil. Those three states...
Jefro98, it probably isn't even that clear cut. Minnesota has a total population of a little over 5mil, Washington 6.6mil, and Florida 18mil. Those three states alone, are less than 50% of France's and GB's population (approx. 62mil each). I think you'd have to break up the United States (300mil) in 4-6 regions(i.e. Southeast, Northeast, Southwest, Northwest, Central) and see what you could pull from those regions That would be a more realistic comparison. And, at that, I think the 2-3 or those US regions would still be very much in the hunt for the Chamberlain cup.

Then you have to take certain states out, like Wisconsin, Montana, Utah, Idaho (Weimer?) North/South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska, etc. because they aren't motocross breeding grounds... they're just barren land masses with only farmers and ranchers living there, much like Canada Smile

There are plenty of states that haven't produced a top 20 national series caliber racer. Shouldn't those be taken out of the equation?
Why take states out then?

Luxembourg and Switzerland have or had MXdN teams too and are equally small and indeed had not very good riders except for Tonus and Bill.
Belgium: 11 million
Netherlands: 16 million, both smaller then florida in population and probably less MX racers too.

I remember a rider from Luxembourg which had to lose atleast 15 kg on body weight to look in shape. They guy was simply fat but probably the only one left for the team and still they went.

The point I’m trying to make is that’s difficult for small countries to come up with a competitive MXdN team in comparison to the USA.

9/29/2010 7:07am
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No doubt facepalmala; both Musquin and Roczen are among the best riders in the world in their class. I would love to see them come here...
No doubt facepalmala; both Musquin and Roczen are among the best riders in the world in their class. I would love to see them come here and race, they would easily be contenders just as Pourcel was.

BUT, I was talking about the poster here at Vital, NOT the riders! Smile
Yeah, my bad. I saw one of his numbskull posts on another thread. Disregard my comment.
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Jefro98, it probably isn't even that clear cut. Minnesota has a total population of a little over 5mil, Washington 6.6mil, and Florida 18mil. Those three states...
Jefro98, it probably isn't even that clear cut. Minnesota has a total population of a little over 5mil, Washington 6.6mil, and Florida 18mil. Those three states alone, are less than 50% of France's and GB's population (approx. 62mil each). I think you'd have to break up the United States (300mil) in 4-6 regions(i.e. Southeast, Northeast, Southwest, Northwest, Central) and see what you could pull from those regions That would be a more realistic comparison. And, at that, I think the 2-3 or those US regions would still be very much in the hunt for the Chamberlain cup.

Then you have to take certain states out, like Wisconsin, Montana, Utah, Idaho (Weimer?) North/South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska, etc. because they aren't motocross breeding grounds... they're just barren land masses with only farmers and ranchers living there, much like Canada Smile

There are plenty of states that haven't produced a top 20 national series caliber racer. Shouldn't those be taken out of the equation?
Jefro98 wrote:
Why take states out then? Luxembourg and Switzerland have or had MXdN teams too and are equally small and indeed had not very good riders except...
Why take states out then?

Luxembourg and Switzerland have or had MXdN teams too and are equally small and indeed had not very good riders except for Tonus and Bill.
Belgium: 11 million
Netherlands: 16 million, both smaller then florida in population and probably less MX racers too.

I remember a rider from Luxembourg which had to lose atleast 15 kg on body weight to look in shape. They guy was simply fat but probably the only one left for the team and still they went.

The point I’m trying to make is that’s difficult for small countries to come up with a competitive MXdN team in comparison to the USA.

Why focus on the sarcastic part of my post? I was just kidding. Leave them all in, that's fine with me Smile I understand your point. So, with your logic with the US splitting up into 50 states, shouldn't GB be split up? France (20+regions)...? Italy...? And, any other country that's more that 10mil? Don't all those countries have regions/states also, they could break up into? That would help make it fair for the smaller countries, if we all split up equally. And, here in the US, it's about making it 'fair' for everyone ~S~

We'd have more racers then financial support to send them to the MXdN each year Smile I'm sure this issue is no different then smaller countries trying to be competitively in the Olympics every 4 years.

I'm a pro-GP motocross guy, Jefro, so don't think I'm saying any of this out of anti-Euro, anti-world MX ignorance. I actually know countries like NZ aren't in Europe Smile I can't believe anybody's that's been a fan of MX, like myself, since the 70s, could not be a fan of World GP racers, and what they bring to the table. I didn't go to to the MXdN in Italy last year, just to see 3 Americans race, I went to see the best that the world has to offer. And, I'll be at France next year, for the same reason Smile

A 6 race series in the fall with 3 races in Europe and 3 in the US, would be an ideal "world" championship series to complement what we have right now, with the Nats and World GP series.
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9/29/2010 7:36am
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Why focus on the sarcastic part of my post? I was just kidding. Leave them all in, that's fine with me :) I understand your point...
Why focus on the sarcastic part of my post? I was just kidding. Leave them all in, that's fine with me Smile I understand your point. So, with your logic with the US splitting up into 50 states, shouldn't GB be split up? France (20+regions)...? Italy...? And, any other country that's more that 10mil? Don't all those countries have regions/states also, they could break up into? That would help make it fair for the smaller countries, if we all split up equally. And, here in the US, it's about making it 'fair' for everyone ~S~

We'd have more racers then financial support to send them to the MXdN each year Smile I'm sure this issue is no different then smaller countries trying to be competitively in the Olympics every 4 years.

I'm a pro-GP motocross guy, Jefro, so don't think I'm saying any of this out of anti-Euro, anti-world MX ignorance. I actually know countries like NZ aren't in Europe Smile I can't believe anybody's that's been a fan of MX, like myself, since the 70s, could not be a fan of World GP racers, and what they bring to the table. I didn't go to to the MXdN in Italy last year, just to see 3 Americans race, I went to see the best that the world has to offer. And, I'll be at France next year, for the same reason Smile

A 6 race series in the fall with 3 races in Europe and 3 in the US, would be an ideal "world" championship series to complement what we have right now, with the Nats and World GP series.
No worries mate, I think we agree on this but things got lost in translation because I'm Dutch and english is not my native language.

But I'm not saying it needs to be fair and all, it will never be and it can't be.
The USA just has a big advantage on small countries when it comes to picking MXdN teams.
No slam on the US though, team USA did great.

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pcdoc wrote:
You guys are sure right about Belgium...what a phenomenal record from that small country, but it is still very difficult for most small countries to put...
You guys are sure right about Belgium...what a phenomenal record from that small country, but it is still very difficult for most small countries to put together 3 riders. The other thing...I heard Jimmy Albertson talking about this...in europe, not as many people have the resources to race MX themselves, so they attend races as fans...In the US, there is a deep base of amature MX which allows for more fast riders to develope and move into the top or pro ranks. Dont get me wrong, I'm and American, and I love to see the US win...I just wish it wasnt such a slam dunk most years. This year was so exciting with the final coming down to the last race...that was cool Smile
in Flanders (upper part of belgium, 6 000 000 people) we have each weekend 4 or 5 federations for amateur racers. So that means up to 1500 mx racers participating each weekend.

Amateurracing is big in Belgium ... and thats why we are so strong in mx.
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9/29/2010 8:54am
VOODOO27 wrote:
Jefro98, it probably isn't even that clear cut. Minnesota has a total population of a little over 5mil, Washington 6.6mil, and Florida 18mil. Those three states...
Jefro98, it probably isn't even that clear cut. Minnesota has a total population of a little over 5mil, Washington 6.6mil, and Florida 18mil. Those three states alone, are less than 50% of France's and GB's population (approx. 62mil each). I think you'd have to break up the United States (300mil) in 4-6 regions(i.e. Southeast, Northeast, Southwest, Northwest, Central) and see what you could pull from those regions That would be a more realistic comparison. And, at that, I think the 2-3 or those US regions would still be very much in the hunt for the Chamberlain cup.

Then you have to take certain states out, like Wisconsin, Montana, Utah, Idaho (Weimer?) North/South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska, etc. because they aren't motocross breeding grounds... they're just barren land masses with only farmers and ranchers living there, much like Canada Smile

There are plenty of states that haven't produced a top 20 national series caliber racer. Shouldn't those be taken out of the equation?
Jefro98 wrote:
Why take states out then? Luxembourg and Switzerland have or had MXdN teams too and are equally small and indeed had not very good riders except...
Why take states out then?

Luxembourg and Switzerland have or had MXdN teams too and are equally small and indeed had not very good riders except for Tonus and Bill.
Belgium: 11 million
Netherlands: 16 million, both smaller then florida in population and probably less MX racers too.

I remember a rider from Luxembourg which had to lose atleast 15 kg on body weight to look in shape. They guy was simply fat but probably the only one left for the team and still they went.

The point I’m trying to make is that’s difficult for small countries to come up with a competitive MXdN team in comparison to the USA.

...and that goes beyond just the riders - it's also all the resources to support them.
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9/29/2010 9:06am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 9:11am
Maybe if all you Euros would band together and become United Europ, you could send your 3 best riders to race against Americans, but there is a downside to that too, you would be in the same position America is in. It has a lot of talent but only 3 people get to go, not 3 people from each state.

So guess what, that would mean that Cairoli, Roczen and one other guy. The rest of your countries are not even in the race, they are not represented. No more Finnland, no more Great Britan, Austraia, Spain. United Europe only gets 3 rider to represent them...
Bummer.

So now you know how the US feels. We have 300 million people and a lot of talent, only 3 go. Belgium has 10 million people and the get to send 3 Wahhhh that is not fair. LOL
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pcdoc wrote:
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size...
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size area in europe say, and pick the 3 best riders from that area regardless of country, and I'm saying the odds of the US winning each year would go down drastically. Roczen, Cairoli, Purcell ???? Desalle, Roczen, Cairoli??? Oh, and I saw Geoff running around all weekend...he was workin his butt off Wink
Billy Jack wrote:
I can see your point, but then again, what if we just take WA, MN, and Florida? Let's face it, we'd be a contender!
Jefro98 wrote:
You don't understand mate. Choosing the states first to make a team is just like choosing the riders itself. You have to come up with 3...
You don't understand mate.

Choosing the states first to make a team is just like choosing the riders itself.



You have to come up with 3 racers from each state just like the Euros have to come up with 3 riders from each country.



So 3 riders from WA, or 3 from MN, or 3 from FL.



From WA you have RV and Hill, who would be your third rider?

From MN you have Dungey? Which other 2?

From FL you have Stewart and......



Makes it alot tougher doesn't it?
Since you asked.....

MX1 - Ryan Dungey, MX2 - Gannon Audette and MX3 - Alex Martin. Top 5, no problem. ;-)

I'll let Florida and WA riders answer for their states.

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In fact, I think since America is so large it would be much more fair if America could be split into America East, America West, and America Central. That way we would be able to send 9 riders to the MXON. That would be more fair to the Europeans that we would not have such a large pool of MX riders to choose from. LOL
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I like it the way it is now. It gives all the nations a drive to work harder and when somebody beats USA, even if it`s once a decade, it`s a party, and I mean PARTY. It`s much, much bigger achievement for Belgium to beat USA, than other way around.
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9/29/2010 9:17am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 9:18am
In all seriousness, hats off to Belgium. Pulling a 2nd is a great accomplishment, and they were having a lot of fun in the pits afterwards, singing songs, throwing gear around, and partying it up. I hope Ramon and DeSalle are still healthy and strong for Lommel, and VanHorbeek can find one more gear by then - I'd love to see a great race.



Euros - if you were going to travel over to either the French MXoN next year OR the Lommel race, which one would you do? Lommel looks a lot easier to get to.



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kongols wrote:
I like it the way it is now. It gives all the nations a drive to work harder and when somebody beats USA, even if it`s...
I like it the way it is now. It gives all the nations a drive to work harder and when somebody beats USA, even if it`s once a decade, it`s a party, and I mean PARTY. It`s much, much bigger achievement for Belgium to beat USA, than other way around.
Dead on. It will happen again, and when it does, look out.

I was joking (kind of) with a friend that the pits would have been livelier after the race if some other country had won it this year........
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France might be better for spectating, but Lommel is one gnarly track!
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kongols wrote:
I like it the way it is now. It gives all the nations a drive to work harder and when somebody beats USA, even if it`s...
I like it the way it is now. It gives all the nations a drive to work harder and when somebody beats USA, even if it`s once a decade, it`s a party, and I mean PARTY. It`s much, much bigger achievement for Belgium to beat USA, than other way around.
Agree. I like it too this way.
Every team is an outsider. USA always expected to win. Makes it fun.
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9/29/2010 9:47am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 10:08am
grover738 wrote:
In all seriousness, hats off to Belgium. Pulling a 2nd is a great accomplishment, and they were having a lot of fun in the pits afterwards...
In all seriousness, hats off to Belgium. Pulling a 2nd is a great accomplishment, and they were having a lot of fun in the pits afterwards, singing songs, throwing gear around, and partying it up. I hope Ramon and DeSalle are still healthy and strong for Lommel, and VanHorbeek can find one more gear by then - I'd love to see a great race.



Euros - if you were going to travel over to either the French MXoN next year OR the Lommel race, which one would you do? Lommel looks a lot easier to get to.



St.Jean d' Angely or Lommel?



If you want to see the US win, go to France because I seriously think they will have a hard time at Lommel.

Imagine team France in two years:

Pourcel, Musquin and Paulin. These 3 raced and won GP's at Lommel and Lierop and team Belgium is always good at home too.
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kongols wrote:
I like it the way it is now. It gives all the nations a drive to work harder and when somebody beats USA, even if it`s...
I like it the way it is now. It gives all the nations a drive to work harder and when somebody beats USA, even if it`s once a decade, it`s a party, and I mean PARTY. It`s much, much bigger achievement for Belgium to beat USA, than other way around.
Jefro98 wrote:
Agree. I like it too this way.
Every team is an outsider. USA always expected to win. Makes it fun.
I hope no one here has misconstrued anything I've said as indicating I have any solution at all to the US advantage at the nations...I like it the way it is too, with all countries represented...it does make it fun Smile
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9/29/2010 10:09am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 10:11am
pcdoc wrote:
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size...
you guys are missing the point...the size of our country makes the odds better to put together a complete team of 3 riders...take the same size area in europe say, and pick the 3 best riders from that area regardless of country, and I'm saying the odds of the US winning each year would go down drastically. Roczen, Cairoli, Purcell ???? Desalle, Roczen, Cairoli??? Oh, and I saw Geoff running around all weekend...he was workin his butt off Wink
Billy Jack wrote:
I can see your point, but then again, what if we just take WA, MN, and Florida? Let's face it, we'd be a contender!
Jefro98 wrote:
You don't understand mate. Choosing the states first to make a team is just like choosing the riders itself. You have to come up with 3...
You don't understand mate.

Choosing the states first to make a team is just like choosing the riders itself.



You have to come up with 3 racers from each state just like the Euros have to come up with 3 riders from each country.



So 3 riders from WA, or 3 from MN, or 3 from FL.



From WA you have RV and Hill, who would be your third rider?

From MN you have Dungey? Which other 2?

From FL you have Stewart and......



Makes it alot tougher doesn't it?
My point is that if someone is going to use population arguments, we can still take a few states, even out the population, and come up with a good team. Remember, we are not taking from DIFFERENT countries, but DIFFERENT states of the same country. Be fair here, don't act like states are different countries. This whole, "United States is bigger" is a red herring; it distracts from the fact that we can still come up with a good team from a relatively few states, two that are not very populated. Also, why go by what state a rider is born in, why not go by what state they reside? Or if you want to push the size/pop issue and say that Europe would win against America, then give us three states: Stewart, Villopoto, and Dungey. I'd say even at that the United States would win against Europe, in a Europe vs. U.S.A. contest.
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Heck the tiny island of Puerto Rico really did good this year. Size is no excuse......lol
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9/29/2010 11:00am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2010 11:01am
Billy Jack wrote:
My point is that if someone is going to use population arguments, we can still take a few states, even out the population, and come up...
My point is that if someone is going to use population arguments, we can still take a few states, even out the population, and come up with a good team. Remember, we are not taking from DIFFERENT countries, but DIFFERENT states of the same country. Be fair here, don't act like states are different countries. This whole, "United States is bigger" is a red herring; it distracts from the fact that we can still come up with a good team from a relatively few states, two that are not very populated. Also, why go by what state a rider is born in, why not go by what state they reside? Or if you want to push the size/pop issue and say that Europe would win against America, then give us three states: Stewart, Villopoto, and Dungey. I'd say even at that the United States would win against Europe, in a Europe vs. U.S.A. contest.
A Europe vs USA contest would be cool and both sides would have chances to win.

But what I'm trying to explain is that some European countries have a hard time to come up with 3 good riders to make a competitive team because they're relatively small. That's no slam on the USA and it's not a matter of fair or unfair. It's just a fact. Sure the US can up with a great team from just one state. Europe can come up with a great team from Belgium too, but Luxembourg, Austria and Switzerland struggle.

I was trying to give an example by mentioning states, and pick 3 riders from them. Different states, different populations, different talent pool, just like European countries.



I like your idea of going by the state riders reside in. If Belgium could choose a team from the GP riders who live there, that would be a hell of a team since most GP stars live in Belgium these days. Laughing





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9/29/2010 11:10am
Why, let GEOFF get in here and explain it..... You know you are reading this jeffie.

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