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Jazz Jennings...Keira Bell...two famous examples...
The point is that extreme LGBT advocates are in favor of minors taking puberty/hormone blockers/therapy and even getting surgery...and it does happen...the question is, do you agree with it?
You sound excited, lover. I bet he’d let you drive it.
Anyone who has raised kids should know better then to do some life altering shit based on how they feel as a child.
I asked because I have a ton of gay friends, a few trans friends, and lot of plain old straight friends with kids. I work with kids from elementary through high school. I have a lot of these conversations and don’t know a single person who has had treatment as a kid or who has a child who’s been treated medically for gender dysphoria.
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Oh, you thought it was all made up, Kim?
Wel now you now it’s factual and true. Why do people of your ilk only accept facts when it supports your viewpoints? Hmmmmm.
Thank you for your anecdotal evidence...the point is that it happens, and that a part of the LGBT community supports it...do you support it?
The same cast of characters that turned the other "pride" thread into their own private, dumbgeon bound shitshow, have highjacked this thread as well.
A few here understood your point.
I'd counter with, "anyone who has raised kids should know better than to judge how well / poorly another parent is raising their kids without being privy to all the information".
EDIT: I didn't say the above as a jab, but Sandberm listed "awkward" and "overweight" and "wears too much makeup" as to why he's assuming their parents are failing them. Which I mean, if we're being honest with ourselves, we all know a fair amount of people that fall into at least on of the three "awkward, overweight, and wearing too much make up" categories. Hell, I'd venture a fair amount of non-moto hits at least two of the three... does that make them not happy people? Does it mean their parents failed?
I don't believe I ever said she couldn't have any of that stuff, I just made an observation and tried to understand why someone puts that much emphasis on their sexuality which I'm allowed to do because this is the land of the free.
So now you're the resident expert on parenting but you don't have kids?
I never said you couldn't say it... say whatever the fuck you wanna say, homie! As you did say though, and which I agree, "Land of the Free"!
As to where you’re commentary is headed…
Transitioning Children is fucking criminal, to me.
Of allllll the shit we don’t let kids do…smoking…vote…drive(16 here)…drink(21 here)…join the military…buy a gun…etc., etc., etc….
Yet…and think on this…we’ll insist it’s ok for them to “transition” due to some psychotic social agenda held by an absolutely bent minority? (Yes…”bent…minority” in the political sense)
Uh, no.
If I say anything other than no you’re going to hear yes. I don’t have enough experience with it to have an informed opinion.
The point of my anecdotal evidence was to point out that it’s rare. Your examples were celebrities, right? So I don’t think you know anyone who’s been through it either. It’s just a thing you’ve heard about.
The adults that I know who have transitioned had to go through years of counseling and then had hormone treatments for quite a while before they were eligible for surgery. I assume it’s at least that difficult for minors.
I feel strongly that infant circumcision should be illegal, and lots of people have looked at me sideways for that. I don’t think a parent should be allowed to make any decisions about body mods. But kids aren’t completely stupid. They’re not less capable about being certain about something than an 18 or 21 year old.
LOL. Sorry for ruining your echo chamber.
I bet part of your anatomy is an echo chamber, Kim.
It's simple...do you agree with transitioning children or not?
Of all the things children CAN'T do in this world, even with parental consent (vote, join the military, drink, drive, etc. etc.)...do you believe they should be able to transition? Simple question...
And I didn't share my personal examples for the same reason I dismissed yours...its just anecdotal evidence...I provided two WELL KNOWN instances, so that they could be verified (rather than exaggerated or made up)...just to prove it happens...they aren't the only ones, and you know this.
"Transitioning Children is fucking criminal, to me."
And to me, I don't believe applying a blanket anti-transition statement to all parent / kids is the right move anymore than I believe applying a blanket pro-transition statement. That's all I'm trying to say, everyone of these cases are individualistic and it comes down to the conversations between the child and everyone in their circle (parents, family members, doctors, counselors, pastors, etc.)... who are any of us to say, "this is what is best for your child", when it comes to this matter?
I’m all for A LAW that FORBIDS this shit until 16-18…
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The problem is that if it’s legitimate — and it is, as regret rates are almost zero among adults who transition — that child’s life is going to be better if they start as soon as possible. That’s not my fault.
I suppose I'm just more for a small government approach than you when it comes to stuff like this.
So you do support transition children?
As you’re making me think about it, I’m realizing that puberty blockers would prevent that person from ever needing surgery. They would also give that person more time to decide how they’d like to move forward. Forcing them to wait until after puberty puts them through something much more traumatic.
Had this very conversation over mem weekend with my ultra liberal sister, until its tax season that is and her other social worker psychologist friend who we went to school with.
Went round and about the 2 of them would not admit that there's kids that will go along just to find a place to fit in or attention from an adult their not getting at home. We compared it to gangs, doing drugs, Joe camel and the budweiser llizards. Nope could not allow themselves to be even slightly wrong or varying ideas.
I finally after a few got pissed and said so your saying that there's preteen and kids that wont follow along to fit in. I just started naming off people we grew up who were exactly those people. Some of them who were "so queer" or so punk, scen, emo, hardcore, preppy. Pointed to said friend of hers sitting there and pointed out her obvious poser status growing up going from trend to trend.
An thats the issue to me. Their putting their finger on the scales of sexuality in children and trying to tip it. Its grooming. If their gay their gay there's enough out there for them work it out. Its not the fuckin 50-80's
Or 21… at least. A lot of people on their 20s are still unbelievably stupid.
The best thing is to wait. If nothing else, because some surgeries like converting a penis into a vagina, requires a full size penis in order to avoid vaginoplasty complications, because a small wiener = small vagina and small vaginas get blown up and stretched out and all thin-skin surgeries get really complicated. We know that gender dysphoria is when your body doesn't match your mind as it relates to your sexual organs, but at it's core, it's just a variant of body identity disorder, which includes limb dysphoria and they're very similar. If we wouldn't remove a limb for a child going through limb dysphonia, then we probably shouldn't remove a little limb due to gender dysphoria. All the forward minded Scandi countries are shifting from medical care to therapy. Who knows what the future holds, but for now the consensus is moving leaning towards wait + therapy.
I appreciate the open response, and I think it falls in line with what I was originally trying to say (perhaps I did it poorly).
You talk about having the conversation with your sister and a closer friend of hers... but have you talked directly with the kids about if they're happy or not? I only say this because, based from my personal experience, my parents would have given completely different answers than I would have would have someone asked me directly if I was happy or not, what I think would have made me happy as a kid, and offered suggestions on how to go about achieving that happiness.
I’m also 100% sure I don’t think anybody should be turning a little boy’s penis into a vagina. He can still sit to pee with what he’s got.
My last message was more about girls not starting their period or growing breasts. All of that could be kickstarted later if that became the choice.
Your brain continues to develop until around 25. I think that’s a pretty good marker.
21+….. Not old enough to drink, not old enough to ✂️ 🥜
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