A 3rd class at the Nationals?

rockcrawlerdude 9/1/2010 12:37am
9/1/2010 12:37am
NeKawBoy wrote:
I think there is an opportunity to improve the Nationals. Reduce the number of entrants in each of the current classes by 10 riders and add...
I think there is an opportunity to improve the Nationals.

Reduce the number of entrants in each of the current classes by 10 riders and add a 3rd east/west support class for regional pro's and rookies to showcase their talent.
Face it...the riders finishing in between 30th and 40th may deserve to be there but, they are having more of a negative impact on the results than a positive one. The outcome of a race should not be determined by lappers even though it is unintentional.

To come up with a better showcase of talent for rookies and locals MX Sports should looking at adding a 3rd East/West support class. Complete with spec products and a reasonable claim rule to keep to competition based on skills rather than bank accounts.

Overall the participation in the series would be increased by adding a second class on both coasts. Revenue would be increased for MX Sports by selling spec sponsorships to suppliers of oils, chains, brakes, tires, etc... And most important the level of competition would improve.
Team managers would have time to check out local talent and rookies against equal challengers and equipment instead of missing a golden opportunity because they are keeping track of their current riders while the next star maybe soldiering on in 30th place. The cultivation of riders is an important seed to the growth of our industry...remember Ryan Dungey wasn't spotted winning all the A classes in amateur racing...he was given a chance by a team manager that took the time to look.

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yamaha and KTM seem to be selling quite a few of them.... Evil
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rockcrawlerdude wrote:
yamaha and KTM seem to be selling quite a few of them.... Evil
No, they aren't. They are still the worst selling bikes. This resurgence of 2-strokes is a myth an urban legend of sorts. They are hard to find, because none of the dealers orders them, not because they are flying off the showroom floor.
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Cygnus 9/1/2010 7:53am
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rockcrawlerdude wrote:
yamaha and KTM seem to be selling quite a few of them.... Evil
BIGHEAD1 wrote:
No, they aren't. They are still the worst selling bikes. This resurgence of 2-strokes is a myth an urban legend of sorts. They are hard to...
No, they aren't. They are still the worst selling bikes. This resurgence of 2-strokes is a myth an urban legend of sorts. They are hard to find, because none of the dealers orders them, not because they are flying off the showroom floor.
Bingo! Our local KTM dealer is still sitting on an 08 144.
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Gaz_b 9/1/2010 10:35am
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rockcrawlerdude wrote:
yamaha and KTM seem to be selling quite a few of them.... Evil
BIGHEAD1 wrote:
No, they aren't. They are still the worst selling bikes. This resurgence of 2-strokes is a myth an urban legend of sorts. They are hard to...
No, they aren't. They are still the worst selling bikes. This resurgence of 2-strokes is a myth an urban legend of sorts. They are hard to find, because none of the dealers orders them, not because they are flying off the showroom floor.
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Bingo! Our local KTM dealer is still sitting on an 08 144.
This might be an American thing, as in the UK and Europe, KTM 2-strokes are only hard to get as they keep selling out of them every year. And KTM have stated that 2-strokes make up 40% of their sales, so to them 2-strokes certainly aren't dead and there is a definite demand for them.

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dlowe102 9/1/2010 11:04am
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TerryK wrote:
125 two strokes?
yea 125cc class 2 or 4 just 125cc.
NO age limits or crap just a 125cc pro class
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BIGHEAD1 9/1/2010 11:08am
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That's because KTM's main focus is off-road (Enduro). If you have ever been to one of those races you would see that, it's mostly KTM's and there are mostly two-strokes. It would be interesting to see the statistics for SX models.
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dlowe102 9/1/2010 11:23am
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who cares that not every oem imports a 125 not every oem has a 65 either.
They could even build a 125 four stroke.
Just 125cc no age limits stock coponent suspension stock cases
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John Dowd on the TM 125
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ATKpilot99 9/1/2010 12:24pm
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rockcrawlerdude wrote:
[url=http://twostrokemotocross.com/2010/05/yz125-2011-special-edition-ready-for-the-gps/]2011 yz125SE[/url] [img]http://twostrokemotocross.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/2011-YZ250-1.jpg[/img]
2011 yz125SE

The production 2011 Yamaha 2 strokes will not have that bodywork . Just BNG .
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Nutty C 9/1/2010 1:17pm
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250 two stroke class would be the best. Cheapest bikes to run ever built
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PROFESSIONAL MOTOCROSS RACING CLASSES:
150 Class = 150cc motorcycles (Any amount of strokes or engine configuration, 150cc max).
*Minimum Age 17 -Maximum age 21, unlimited age for females. Can only win one championship in this
class or three years of top-ten finishes; require advancement to 250 or World Class.
250 Class = 250cc motorcycles (Any amount of strokes or engine configuration, 250cc max ).
Minimum Age 18 -Maximum age 26 . Can only win one championship in this class, or three years
of top-ten finishes requires advancement to World Class.
OPEN “World Class” = 300cc or above motorcycles only (Any amount of strokes or engine configuration,
unlimited cc’s and cylinders).
Minimum age 18, no maximum age requirement

http://www.therupertxshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/American-Profe…
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Rupert X wrote:
PROFESSIONAL MOTOCROSS RACING CLASSES: 150 Class = 150cc motorcycles (Any amount of strokes or engine configuration, 150cc max). *Minimum Age 17 -Maximum age 21, unlimited age...
PROFESSIONAL MOTOCROSS RACING CLASSES:
150 Class = 150cc motorcycles (Any amount of strokes or engine configuration, 150cc max).
*Minimum Age 17 -Maximum age 21, unlimited age for females. Can only win one championship in this
class or three years of top-ten finishes; require advancement to 250 or World Class.
250 Class = 250cc motorcycles (Any amount of strokes or engine configuration, 250cc max ).
Minimum Age 18 -Maximum age 26 . Can only win one championship in this class, or three years
of top-ten finishes requires advancement to World Class.
OPEN “World Class” = 300cc or above motorcycles only (Any amount of strokes or engine configuration,
unlimited cc’s and cylinders).
Minimum age 18, no maximum age requirement

http://www.therupertxshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/American-Profe…
Just read the pdf, very nicely done though I see no need whatsoever for After the first ten minutes, any competitor that is lapped will receive
the black flag and be removed from the contest but other than that, it seems like a good plan/foundation to move the sport forward at a professional level.
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SwapperMX 9/1/2010 3:25pm
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Rupert knows where its at !!!!!!!!!
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NeKawBoy 9/1/2010 3:41pm
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What if...
Not only it became a spec class but also a lease program?
Imagine a similar setup to to the Wonder warthog rig with a lease tied to the bikes and transportation?

As an example for $10,000 you receive the following support...
1. 250f or 250 2 stroke race bike with all spec components installed and maintained by a staff provided buy the sponsoring company. The option of the bike would be up to the company...similar to the KTM Super-X Challenge
2. Same bike for rider to keep and maintain at home as a practice bike. The rider would be responsible for maintaining the practice bike
3. Bike transportation would be provided to the select nationals in the series. One rig runs east coast/one rig runs west coast.
4. Rider is open for gear sponsorships
5. Rider is responsible for travel to and from the events

Obviously there are a ton of details that would need to be worked out.
In order for it to happen it would need to be financially beneficial for the promoters and MX Sports. Out side of that I'm not so sure that it shouldn't be set up as a non-profit organization so donations by benefactors inside and outside of the industry would be a write off.

Another important item is the actual development of the participants both on the track and off. During the nationals veteran riders could be asked to speak on various subjects such as financial advice, off track distractions, etc...

In the end it needs to provide us with better racing and more competitive riders that are less likely to fail for all of the wrong reason when they do graduate to the premiere classes.

Thanks for all of the feed-back...with all of our ideas perhaps someone will hear our prayers.

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`ol Ger 9/1/2010 3:54pm
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Bring back the two strokes. Achieve parity in a class. That will excite the fans AND encourage sales.
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`ol Ger 9/1/2010 3:54pm
9/1/2010 3:54pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2010 3:56pm
Maybe we should have a new software class.. Smile

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motokiwi 9/1/2010 4:02pm
9/1/2010 4:02pm
It would be nice if this class was for people who have not turned pro yet
Then the top crop of Juniors aged 14-17 from Loretta Lynns and Europe / Australia / New Zealand etc etc could race an AMA outdoor mx for a very low cost and get themselves in the spotlight for a future ride in the 250f class..
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bobby397 9/1/2010 4:05pm
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i thought the wmx was the 3rd class at the nationals......
motokiwi 9/1/2010 4:36pm
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bobby397 wrote:
i thought the wmx was the 3rd class at the nationals......
Its it, but there are 4 Nats where WMA dont race, where these guys could potentially race in their slot

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