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I can tell you this much, the sport survived with participants at all levels for many years,way before it had a larger fan base of non-.participants
Right now the sponsors are treating us like crap, all over a minor issue. A minor issue has turned into a big deal for the racing fans who are getting robbed big time, all over a seemingly minor issue. How the hell can any moto fan think this is OK?
PS, I think the sponsors will be OK if you don't buy there swag.
With that said.....
Italy/FMI seems like the problem to me,not the sponsors.
Give them their well deserved place on the front of the jersey....the sponsors are just doing their jobs. It is principle for them.
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You speak as if you don't get it either and I'm sure you do. You have to see both sides and to utter "stupidity" to a fan's compassion probably isn't necessary.
Regardless the matter should have been overlooked and compromised for this one-off race, to satisfy everyone involved.
And at the same token, your statement above can easily be taken both ways - if they fans were not there, would they be racing? Not a chance. Chicken and the egg as they say.
Imagine if Monster had two riders in the MXDN´s team, and Dungey was picked as the 3rd member with Rockstar as his main sponsor. So if any of these sponsors say "we won´t race on the same team with a competing energy company - imagine what that would do to the American team. Two good riders would have to be dropped, or perhaps the best rider dropped with a sub par replacement who has only sponsors outside the energy market.
Is that something you guys are willing to accept? Business politics ruling and picking "who´s representing what company"? I think that is what the Italian federation is trying to prevent, and rightfully so! Otherwise the MXDN´s would turn into a WWF-like fake ass sport were sponsors decide who gets to ride!
That is their job!
And I cant blame them....
If they give up a jersey spot ,what next year,no bike graphics,helmet logos,etc..?
The FMI Team had a good chance at podiuming or even winning this event and getting far more exposure by giving into to the sponsors,then they do not giving into them.
The sponsors are The Giants of the industry,they are not gonna lay down.
It is common sense.
Yep, think about it,wouldnt the event be better if AC & DP were there racing this year?
"Imagine if Monster had two riders in the MXDN´s team, and Dungey was picked as the 3rd member with Rockstar as his main sponsor. So if any of these sponsors say "we won´t race on the same team with a competing energy company - imagine what that would do to the American team. Two good riders would have to be dropped, or perhaps the best rider dropped with a sub par replacement who has only sponsors outside the energy market.
Is that something you guys are willing to accept? "
That has not happened and more then likely never will.
"Business politics ruling and picking "who´s representing what company"? I think that is what the Italian federation is trying to prevent, and rightfully so! Otherwise the MXDN´s would turn into a WWF-like fake ass sport were sponsors decide who gets to ride!"
The Italian federation will only scare sponsors away by doing what they are doing.
It is a business and if you do not give the sponsors the exposure they request....they will move on. Just as they did in this case...
All the cooks are French, all the soldiers are German, all the police are English, all the lovers are Italian, and it's all run by the Swiss.
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All the cooks are English, all the soldiers are French, all the police are German, all the lovers are Swiss, and it's all run by the Italians.
This is the MXDN. A single day of racing. For the hardcore fan, this is like watching your marine corps going to war for your country. For a rider - the day you get to ride for the pride of your flag! What a great honor.
If the sponsors still got a full decal kit etc, and still wouldn't let the guys go ride - in my opinion that's like spitting on the Italian flag.
This is ONE DAY you get to ride FOR YOUR FLAG and your people back home, and not for a drink full of caffeine.
The sponsors are being stupid here. Surely the sponsors have lost more money by not sending the team? l I think the revenue lost by Italian (and other AC) fans now shunning the drink will amount to much more than the costs of sending the riders.
Imagine they sent out a PR, saying they are not happy with not getting the advertising on the jersey, but because they support the event, the fans and the Italian MX community, they will look past it for the good of the sport. How many more drinks would they sell in future? Man, I'd go buy a six pack right now AND put a sticker on my bike.
If Bubba and RC were held back from riding for USA a few years back (by Monster), how would you feel about Monster? If I was an American I would vow never to touch the stuff again in my life.
But that's just my opinion, I'm just an average fan and not a sponsor. However, I feel I am not alone.
Yep, think about it,wouldnt the event be better if AC & DP were there racing this year?
The sponsors AREN´T in charge of that, the federation and the teams managaer is. Would you rather have office rats at Monster pick the MAerican team, or Roger DeCoster? Pretty easy answer, isn´t it?
"Imagine if Monster had two riders in the MXDN´s team, and Dungey was picked as the 3rd member with Rockstar as his main sponsor. So if any of these sponsors say "we won´t race on the same team with a competing energy company - imagine what that would do to the American team. Two good riders would have to be dropped, or perhaps the best rider dropped with a sub par replacement who has only sponsors outside the energy market.
Is that something you guys are willing to accept? "
That has not happened and more then likely never will.
It will if this trend continues. It has already started!! That´s the point! AC and DP´s sponsors decided these guys weren´t going racing! That is normally not their desition to make! They suck! They really, really suck! Imagine if Desalle´s sponsors did the same thing last weekend?
"Business politics ruling and picking "who´s representing what company"? I think that is what the Italian federation is trying to prevent, and rightfully so! Otherwise the MXDN´s would turn into a WWF-like fake ass sport were sponsors decide who gets to ride!"
The Italian federation will only scare sponsors away by doing what they are doing.
It is a business and if you do not give the sponsors the exposure they request....they will move on. Just as they did in this case...
The federation won´t scare sponsors away from teams because of one lousy event! It´s not like Red Bull would say no to sponsor Cairoli to a championship all because of a conflict with his federation for a one off event!. In fact, if you take a look at most team jerseys from the MXDN´s the past 15 years you will notice that adverticing space has always been limited on MXDN´s gear for pretty much all teams every year. Why? Because they usually represent their countries with special one-off gear.
The Sponsors are paying DeCosters salary...... think about it.
If they didn't pay him ,he would go else where.
They will also be paying for him to go there.
It will if this trend continues. It has already started!! That´s the point! AC and DP´s sponsors decided these guys weren´t going racing! That is normally not their desition to make! They suck! They really, really suck! Imagine if Desalle´s sponsors did the same thing last weekend?
It isn't a "trend",one incident doesn't make it a trend.
The FMI should have laid down and been thankful of the sponsors wanting to support their riders,country and team....
The federation won´t scare sponsors away from teams because of one lousy event! It´s not like Red Bull would say no to sponsor Cairoli to a championship all because of a conflict with his federation for a one off event!. In fact, if you take a look at most team jerseys from the MXDN´s the past 15 years you will notice that adverticing space has always been limited on MXDN´s gear for pretty much all teams every year. Why? Because they usually represent their countries with special one-off gear.
It sure as hell isn't gonna bring any new sponsors into the sport is it?
As for the gear the riders wear,these same sponsors had no problems with any other country. Then why are they having problems with the Italians?
Perhaps because they were being unreasonable...?
I don't know if some of you like to take it in your ass, that's probably stretching. But one have to acknowledged something is rotten in MX if things like this happens, maybe it has happen before but miniscule nations like Sweden that have 1/10 budget, and poor rider performance tend to send a team (I assume the best riders) which makes it crazy when a great nation like Italy wont. For you people that think sponsors are the key to everything, happiness etc that might be true, but this event has been around since the fifties, and I think it was possible because people where flexible and had the passion to make things happen before making tons of cash.
There are riders and teams that spend their own money, and there are riders than get paid millions to go anywhere. The later didn't create the sport and doesn't really make it for me when things like this happens...
But cash is king.
Again fuck the italian federation and Red Bull for being self centered and greedy money whores.
Therefore in a sense you will be supporting Red Bull's event.
You can say fuck them...but also at the same time you have to tolerate them.
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Spot on, but are you sure?
Heh, not to bring politics into this... But isn't this a microcosm of the bigger picture?
Are you just bored?
I don't know how I can retaliate on the Italian federation other than saying I hate them and they shouldn't load us with their personal issues. The riders in Italy pay their salary, and this event by their fees, they should know that these muppets wont let their hero go because of this crap.
Honestly I have seen team Italy for years, and didn't know their federation sponsored their shirts. I wonder what amazing deal happened between Red Bull and team France that let Marvin go?
You are entiled to your opionion of the MXdN but your opinion is not the the heart felt sentiment of hundreds of thousands of others around the world. We have been doing this for 30 or more years and the MXdN is really the ONLY race that matters to many of us.
I respect your hatred toward the event. You have made it very clear for years now. Might be better if you refrain from opening any thread MXdN related. And please for the love of God do not watch the event or coment on the results.
We will figure out a way to get through it without you.
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