More pussification of MX

Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 3:33am
What else will people come up with to complain about?

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At the Milliken race during the double gates that we were involved in the first gate goes off and then the second gate goes off. This is all fine and dandy if the second gate would get to clean their gate, burn tire etc. before the gates drop in 10 seconds. I don't think that it would be a big problem to let the second gate have maybe 20 seconds to get ready. During the race on Sunday at milliken the 30 second board guy did his usual 30-10 board flip for the first gate. The second gate got maybe 10 seconds to sweep the gate and get situated because we were behind a rider that went with the first gate. I held my hand up to signal wait and all the gate guy did was wave me out of the way. I know for a fact that there were at least one other person that was not ready either.
I went and talked to Ann Leahy about her stater guy and she said she would talk to him. But also told me that she thinks you can't prep the gate after the first gate goes off. That does not sound right.

Anyway, can someone tell me what the rule is about this situation. I feel we are entitled to prep the gate just like everyone else. They only double gate a few races a weekend, so adding an extra 10 seconds on to these situations would only create a couple minutes extra of time.
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3/28/2008 2:31pm
If they hold the second gate too long there is a lot more possibility that a good number of those riders would be lapped by the first class.

Which would you rather have, A clean spot or another lap?

Every track I know that does a staggered start tells the first gate to be ready when the card goes up for the first gate because there will be no hold for the second start.
3/28/2008 2:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="JustMX":3ld67vzq]If they hold the second gate too long there is a lot more possibility that a good number of those riders would be lapped by the first class.

Which would you rather have, A clean spot or another lap?

Every track I know that does a staggered start tells the first gate to be ready when the card goes up for the first gate because there will be no hold for the second start.[/quote:3ld67vzq]
Everybody had to start on the same, crummy gate. Guy should go find his momma. If he wants a good gate, he needs to get faster so he can run with the 1st class off the gate.
3/28/2008 2:40pm
I say tear out all concrete starts.

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3/28/2008 2:43pm
I agree that's dumb. If you have someone there, let them run the broom once to clean it a little.
With good technique it doesn't matter if the gate isn't swept anyhow.
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3/28/2008 6:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="Cygnus":2u9c0edx]I say tear out all concrete starts.[/quote:2u9c0edx]

The AMA banned them in pro racing. Time they did the same in the amatures. Put it in the rules for 2009.
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3/28/2008 6:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
Pro racing has so few starts that the start area doesn't get too much abuse. Big amateur races with three tousand riders going all week long would be a maintainence nightmare. I see the advantages of the concrete pad, I think they just need to ban brooms or prepping of the start area altogether. As long as everyone starts on the same crap, what difference does it make? Any mini dad's bringing drag race tacky shit to the line yet?? :?
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3/28/2008 6:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="newmann":3ht22r9r]Any mini dad's bringing drag race tacky shit to the line yet?? :?[/quote:3ht22r9r]
It's illegal

I have wondered about the use of tire warmers though
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3/28/2008 6:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="Cygnus":1d52508p]I say tear out all concrete starts.[/quote:1d52508p]
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You have your bike set up to go wide open for about 5 miles in the dirt during a moto, but you have to roast the best part of your tire on an 8 foot launch pad first. This never made sense to me. Maybe it got started by some one that was too lazy to do maintenance on the gate on inclimate days.
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3/29/2008 11:45am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="flarider":2z8s0yub]
It's illegal

I have wondered about the use of tire warmers though[/quote:2z8s0yub]

I've seen some funny shit behind the gates of some big am races. I ain't naming names, but did once see a mechanic/dad with a little butane torch heating the rear tire of his kid's bike before the moto started.
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3/29/2008 1:10pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
If the manufacturers would raise the cost of bikes a bit more then not so many would be able to afford them and then everyone would fit on the first gate. <img class= " title="Smile">
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3/29/2008 4:11pm
if no one got to sweep much wouldnt it be a fair start?
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3/29/2008 4:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="KAWboy14":16c3ggpv]if no one got to sweep much wouldnt it be a fair start?[/quote:16c3ggpv]


Not if the whole gate is not full for the moto that goes first.
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3/29/2008 4:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="Farva":1191nofp][quote="KAWboy14":1191nofp]if no one got to sweep much wouldnt it be a fair start?[/quote:1191nofp]


Not if the whole gate is not full for the moto that goes first.[/quote:1191nofp]

in that case gate selection would be important.
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3/29/2008 5:19pm
What a bunch of whiny crap.
Just STFU and race, geez
3/29/2008 6:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="Cygnus":174yjiws]I say tear out all concrete starts.[/quote:174yjiws]

As much I agree with you on this one, we need them for amatuer mtocross. Thundervalley and berthoud gets foot deep rut by the end of the day. At least Erie, Aztec and Milliken rpovide consistant starts. With saying all of that, I hate starting on concrete, but I hate more starting at the end of the day when the ruts are horrible.

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3/29/2008 8:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="whipmeister":3eauvvnc][quote="JustMX":3eauvvnc]If they hold the second gate too long there is a lot more possibility that a good number of those riders would be lapped by the first class.

Which would you rather have, A clean spot or another lap?

Every track I know that does a staggered start tells the first gate to be ready when the card goes up for the first gate because there will be no hold for the second start.[/quote:3eauvvnc]
Everybody had to start on the same, crummy gate. Guy should go find his momma. If he wants a good gate, he needs to get faster so he can run with the 1st class off the gate.[/quote:3eauvvnc]

Ed-Zachary, if everyone has the same dirty concrete to start on, the playing field is level.

Shut up & ride.
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3/30/2008 12:22am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
the thing i dont get, is that milliken has a 40 rider gate, and i guarentee they didnt run 2 classes of 40 riders on the track at once, so why didnt whoever that guy is just pick a gate that didnt have someone in it from the 1st gate? doesnt that kind of turn into a "condition over position" deal?
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4/2/2008 7:36am
suck it up!! sounds like he needs to just needs to twist that lil grippy thing on the right a little harder when he gets off the gate.
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4/2/2008 3:51pm
Concrete is a life saver for the track owner. Safes TONS of maintenance. Trust me, I've been there. Simple solution is to ban any grooming whatsoever in including sweeping with a broom, rage or gloved hand. 99% of tracks allow no grooming in front of the gate right? Do the same for behind it.
4/2/2008 3:55pm
i personally dont like concrete pads, its just not motocross. but at the same time its better for track owners as theres no maintainence so while i agree that its better to not have them, most track owner will want them so if you must have them then no soil moving is to be done except by your tire as the gate drops....
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4/2/2008 4:15pm
TerryK wrote:
Concrete is a life saver for the track owner. Safes TONS of maintenance. Trust me, I've been there. Simple solution is to ban any grooming whatsoever...
Concrete is a life saver for the track owner. Safes TONS of maintenance. Trust me, I've been there. Simple solution is to ban any grooming whatsoever in including sweeping with a broom, rage or gloved hand. 99% of tracks allow no grooming in front of the gate right? Do the same for behind it.
Hi TerryK Smile Yep it is a track owners best friend. In MN we have several concrete starts and i think at least one of them extends the concrete to the other side of the gates also which prevents dirt from being piled on the area behind the gate and works like a charm to get that initial traction! As far as no farming goes, we do not allow it at all. If it is not a full gate, some will get a perfect start and if you start behind a guy that throws mud/dirt you will get a shit start. It seems to work well here to let people sweep behind the gate and no work in front of it. There is time to do a quick sweep if you have help and if you don't have time to sweep, you just go for it and have fun passing up through the field!

Over all the years i normally got the hole shot and now i just don't give a crap and even enjoy trying to pass to the front so i dont care about the start pad what so ever, but to some, its critical..

In Brasil, we just hope the sheep are off the track in time for the race to start! (they love the grass around the start gate..

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