The slowing economy...

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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 11:10pm
This sounds a lot like the dicussion from Thursday...

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7/31/2010 6:25am
Back in the 80s this happened to me. Small company (100 employees) had a few layoffs then the owner/president puts out a memo telling us how lucky we were to have employment durning the downturn in the economy. Then he said that the salaried people would be required to work an extra hour a day and hourly people would take a 10% cut in pay. At that time and today I still have this hinkey feeling that he just took advantage of the recession at the time and of everyones fear of losing their jobs.
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7/31/2010 7:26am
There's no doubt they use fear and threats as weapons - and they have the ultimate WMD, which is that they control all the information about markets, forecasts, etc. They can make the data say whatever they want, and they can draw whatever conclusions they want from it. When we went into a near-depression, they cut people; now that we're getting out, many of the same corporations are still cutting people. Alcoa cut 37,000+ jobs in the recession, and now that they're profitable, their stated aim is to cut more people.

In a recession, a company can rationally see that as an opportunity to expand because things are cheap and skilled labor is plentiful, or they can cut people to save money. In a recovery they can expand because markets are better or they can cut people because they're unsure of the markets in the future. The same data can be used to do whatever a CEO wanted to do in the first place.
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7/31/2010 7:30am
A lot of generalizations without many specifics. I know Herbert would never write this story but I know it's out there. The story about companies teetering on the edge that go out of their way to keep their people. I worked for a large company back in the 70's, Nabisco. We had a small division with about 40 employees. They actually asked us which of us could handle unemployment for a few months so that others with families could stay employed. They also found other jobs at other divisions for some who could handle a little more drive time. They realized that their employees were their greatest asset.

There is no doubt that many of the biggest corporations bow to the wishes of shareholders and treat people like cattle. But not all of them. Herbert paints with too broad a brush but I would never expect him to ever give any credit to the "MAN".
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7/31/2010 8:40am Edited Date/Time 7/31/2010 8:41am
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A lot of generalizations without many specifics. I know Herbert would never write this story but I know it's out there. The story about companies teetering...
A lot of generalizations without many specifics. I know Herbert would never write this story but I know it's out there. The story about companies teetering on the edge that go out of their way to keep their people. I worked for a large company back in the 70's, Nabisco. We had a small division with about 40 employees. They actually asked us which of us could handle unemployment for a few months so that others with families could stay employed. They also found other jobs at other divisions for some who could handle a little more drive time. They realized that their employees were their greatest asset.

There is no doubt that many of the biggest corporations bow to the wishes of shareholders and treat people like cattle. But not all of them. Herbert paints with too broad a brush but I would never expect him to ever give any credit to the "MAN".
Fair enough - but at least in my experience, smaller companies are the ones that try to hang on to employees as long as they can; large corporations dump them as fast as they can. And things were much different in the 70s when you were with Nabisco. I think the reason for that is smaller businesses are typically run by people who are experts in their craft, and large corporations are run by CEOs who are generic executives and could be running an oil business today and a corn flakes factory the next.

My company is a great example - when I went to work for them in '04, the company was run by the man who founded it, and his employees were like family to him, and in turn all the employees thought of him as "Uncle Pete". Now, our company is a more normal American company, and we have cut very important groups by huge amounts. For example, our group that oversees the operations database (a huge, incredibly complex thing) used to be about 20 people and today it's 3 people. We used to have dozens of engineers that were committed to efficiency analytics and today we have about 5. And today we have a larger physical asset group than we did a few years ago. My company isn't bad to its employees, in fact it's very good, but that's the norm in American corporate life today. It's cut employees first and tell the remainder to figure it out.

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7/31/2010 12:13pm
The same idiots running the country are the same idiots running these corporations. I used to work for a family owned fifty million dollar company. Owners were having health issues and sold to a fucking investment group. Next thing I knew I'm living out the movie Office Space. The place just laid off 50 workers a few weeks ago, which was only a quarter of the size it was when I left.



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