top 5 reasons mx shouldn´t grow

Sunhouse wrote:

1. Fewer douchebags and hillbillies will attend "because it´s cool and popular". 2. More core people. 3. Same or better racing. Money hasn´t done anything for...

1. Fewer douchebags and hillbillies will attend "because it´s cool and popular".
2. More core people.
3. Same or better racing. Money hasn´t done anything for the quality of the racing. If anything, people rode harder for pride than money. Or what about just: they showed up to race in the first place "no special contract for special people".
4.Production costs of bikes will have to be lowered - maybe a way to return to 2 strokes.
2strokes = cheaper bikes/parts for consumers = lower noise = possibly more places to ride, or at least fewer shut-downs.
5. People will follow the sport because they "found it" and liked it, not because someone shoved it down their throat and sold the sports soul to please people who couldn´t accept the original concept of MX.


I wish people would stop trying to change this sport to suit people who don`t necessarily like the sport for what it is. Why do we need these people around our sport? The biggest downfall to motocross is/will be money and exposure

drummer dude wrote:

I know mx isnt real big here in the u.s..,but ,over in europe it is huge... i could never figure that out. maybe our fellow brothers...

I know mx isnt real big here in the u.s..,but ,over in europe it is huge... i could never figure that out. maybe our fellow brothers from across the pond can chime in and see what there feedback is. also, i wouldnt worry about our sport growing. if it doesnt have a ball involed or 4 wheels going roundy round,turn left,go straight..i dont see it happening...

MXinOC wrote:

Right on drummer! Thank you! I am very glad to not see the BS insults and crap slung at Sunshine here. When I seen the Title...

Right on drummer! Thank you!

I am very glad to not see the BS insults and crap slung at Sunshine here. When I seen the Title... Huh! WTF! Were in for another hey day for the swpk group.

MXinOC wrote:

Does motorcycle speedway still fill the stadiums with 50 to 100,000 very excited and enthusiastic fans like in the 80's when Penhall was World Champion?

WhKnuckle wrote:

"Motocross isn't a sport for the average American spectator. The average American spectator wants a comfortable seat and a cold beer and a hot hot dog...

"Motocross isn't a sport for the average American spectator. The average American spectator wants a comfortable seat and a cold beer and a hot hot dog and just wants to move his eyes to watch the game. He doesn't want to walk up and down hill and trudge through mud to see it."

Dick Mann, 1969. So don't worry about motocross becoming a big sport.

Sunhouse wrote:

And along comes supercross. It already has more races, money and riders in it than motocross. I have yet to meet someone who rides that prefer...

And along comes supercross. It already has more races, money and riders in it than motocross. I have yet to meet someone who rides that prefer sx. The non riders and spectators however seem to prefer it because you can sit down, drink beer, and see everything from the edge of the two seats they had to buy for their fat ass.
Many of them refuse to go to nationals because it is tiring to stand or walk. We´re selling out, and to me it seems like some think that is ok.

Karma wrote:

Motocross is a soul sport, once it gets too big it will be a corporate sport, Corporations = no soul. It has already happened when riders...

Motocross is a soul sport, once it gets too big it will be a corporate sport, Corporations = no soul. It has already happened when riders won't race the once prestigious USGP for fear of injury! Huge corporate sponsers = ROI for shareholders and nothing else. James Stewart is not a racer anymore, he is an entertainer, which means if Redbull wants him to put on a clown suit and jump into a lake he has to do it.
The final issue is expense, manufacturers have smaller teams when the economy is down because it costs them. 200 k (?) to get their freaking 18 wheeler and 20 man support crew for one, yes one! rider on the road to do one f-ing race!

Karma wrote:

Motocross is a soul sport, once it gets too big it will be a corporate sport, Corporations = no soul. It has already happened when riders...

Motocross is a soul sport, once it gets too big it will be a corporate sport, Corporations = no soul. It has already happened when riders won't race the once prestigious USGP for fear of injury! Huge corporate sponsers = ROI for shareholders and nothing else. James Stewart is not a racer anymore, he is an entertainer, which means if Redbull wants him to put on a clown suit and jump into a lake he has to do it.
The final issue is expense, manufacturers have smaller teams when the economy is down because it costs them. 200 k (?) to get their freaking 18 wheeler and 20 man support crew for one, yes one! rider on the road to do one f-ing race!

4mxonly wrote:

It's funny that you think Motocross/Supercross is being overrun by corporations. Have you taken the time to actually look at 90% of the companies that support...

It's funny that you think Motocross/Supercross is being overrun by corporations. Have you taken the time to actually look at 90% of the companies that support the sport?? They're all endemic! Look at all of the new satellite support teams... hell, look at the presenting sponsor for some of the pro mx nationals - "Moto Tees"? Really? The sport is not a corporate sport. Look at the vertical integration of MX Sports, a privately owned family company who ARE soul of motocross. They are hardly a corporation and fought from very modest beginnings to build the business they have today, a dream that many Americans strive for.



And despite my slight distain for James Stewart and his recent career choices (the fan in me prefers to see him race, as with any racer) he is helping to expose the sport to new audiences; a much needed injection to the "core" mx companies who are currently struggling to survive. And Red Bull serves as the liaison, a network of some of the best action sports athletes in the world, to attract growing media like Fuel TV, which is another channel for growing the sport.



Lastly, god forbid there are racers out there that are looking out for their own interests and don't want to race the USGP that was thrown together last minute and touted hype of being the "biggest mx race the US has ever seen". If you've ever been involved in event management and marketing, you'd know that that event was doomed from the start. I'm not saying next years' event won't go a lot better, but their plan for 2010 was ill-conceived, hence they failed (did not live up to their expectations). Moreover, who are you to say that racers don't have the right to not race a venue that most racers feared when it was part of the national circuit? The risk wasn't worth the reward. And you still got to see great racing from some of the best in the world at the GP, not to mention the current series.

Karma wrote:

Motocross is a soul sport, once it gets too big it will be a corporate sport, Corporations = no soul. It has already happened when riders...

Motocross is a soul sport, once it gets too big it will be a corporate sport, Corporations = no soul. It has already happened when riders won't race the once prestigious USGP for fear of injury! Huge corporate sponsers = ROI for shareholders and nothing else. James Stewart is not a racer anymore, he is an entertainer, which means if Redbull wants him to put on a clown suit and jump into a lake he has to do it.
The final issue is expense, manufacturers have smaller teams when the economy is down because it costs them. 200 k (?) to get their freaking 18 wheeler and 20 man support crew for one, yes one! rider on the road to do one f-ing race!

4mxonly wrote:

It's funny that you think Motocross/Supercross is being overrun by corporations. Have you taken the time to actually look at 90% of the companies that support...

It's funny that you think Motocross/Supercross is being overrun by corporations. Have you taken the time to actually look at 90% of the companies that support the sport?? They're all endemic! Look at all of the new satellite support teams... hell, look at the presenting sponsor for some of the pro mx nationals - "Moto Tees"? Really? The sport is not a corporate sport. Look at the vertical integration of MX Sports, a privately owned family company who ARE soul of motocross. They are hardly a corporation and fought from very modest beginnings to build the business they have today, a dream that many Americans strive for.



And despite my slight distain for James Stewart and his recent career choices (the fan in me prefers to see him race, as with any racer) he is helping to expose the sport to new audiences; a much needed injection to the "core" mx companies who are currently struggling to survive. And Red Bull serves as the liaison, a network of some of the best action sports athletes in the world, to attract growing media like Fuel TV, which is another channel for growing the sport.



Lastly, god forbid there are racers out there that are looking out for their own interests and don't want to race the USGP that was thrown together last minute and touted hype of being the "biggest mx race the US has ever seen". If you've ever been involved in event management and marketing, you'd know that that event was doomed from the start. I'm not saying next years' event won't go a lot better, but their plan for 2010 was ill-conceived, hence they failed (did not live up to their expectations). Moreover, who are you to say that racers don't have the right to not race a venue that most racers feared when it was part of the national circuit? The risk wasn't worth the reward. And you still got to see great racing from some of the best in the world at the GP, not to mention the current series.

Karma wrote:

I didn't say the riders don't have a right to look out for thier best interests, if you make 7 figures in sx why even risk...

I didn't say the riders don't have a right to look out for thier best interests, if you make 7 figures in sx why even risk riding outdoors, not too mention getting a bit sweaty and dirty for 35 minutes! but I am a fan and miss guys like Bailey, Glover and Magoo going after it for the pride of kicking ass at USGP's or even a Lechien or O'mara hopping on a 500 and leading or winning motos, or even Stanton on a 125! anyhoo jus mho

Sunhouse wrote:

And along comes supercross. It already has more races, money and riders in it than motocross. I have yet to meet someone who rides that prefer...

And along comes supercross. It already has more races, money and riders in it than motocross. I have yet to meet someone who rides that prefer sx. The non riders and spectators however seem to prefer it because you can sit down, drink beer, and see everything from the edge of the two seats they had to buy for their fat ass.
Many of them refuse to go to nationals because it is tiring to stand or walk. We´re selling out, and to me it seems like some think that is ok.

MXinOC wrote:

I for one want our top athletes and right on down the line to make as much money as they deserve... and as far as I...

I for one want our top athletes and right on down the line to make as much money as they deserve... and as far as I am concerned... I dream of the day... a future Roger D, a Jeremy, an RC, or RD2 Dungey, has Tiger and Kobe' type of wealth and recognition. What SX has done and will continue to do for MX's top athletes is AWESOME! I do not get the mind-set of those think like you Sunhouse, sorry. Not the NFL, the MLB, NBA, or the dreaded NASCAR have done anything wrong by letting non-participants that are called FANS, come and enjoy their support by watching the best they each have to offer, so that the beer sells, TV has their sports, bars are filled with fans drinking our sponsors beer as advertised on TV, etc., etc., economics makes America the greatest country in the world!

Sunhouse wrote:

See, it´s all about money! Sellling out so the athletes and companies can make as much money as possible. Money doesn´t make the sport better. It...

See, it´s all about money! Sellling out so the athletes and companies can make as much money as possible. Money doesn´t make the sport better. It doesn´t make the champions faster or the racing better. All it does it make riders spoiled prima donnas, and before we know it SX and MX will have its own riders and series competing against each other.
Just look at were we are now, the sport hs become so full of corporate BS that you can´t get a straight answer from a rider. All they do is drop names of sponsors. Just rewind 10-15 years and listen to the podium interviews and remind me what money really has done for the fans

MXinOC wrote:

I for one want our top athletes and right on down the line to make as much money as they deserve... and as far as I...

I for one want our top athletes and right on down the line to make as much money as they deserve... and as far as I am concerned... I dream of the day... a future Roger D, a Jeremy, an RC, or RD2 Dungey, has Tiger and Kobe' type of wealth and recognition. What SX has done and will continue to do for MX's top athletes is AWESOME! I do not get the mind-set of those think like you Sunhouse, sorry. Not the NFL, the MLB, NBA, or the dreaded NASCAR have done anything wrong by letting non-participants that are called FANS, come and enjoy their support by watching the best they each have to offer, so that the beer sells, TV has their sports, bars are filled with fans drinking our sponsors beer as advertised on TV, etc., etc., economics makes America the greatest country in the world!

Sunhouse wrote:

See, it´s all about money! Sellling out so the athletes and companies can make as much money as possible. Money doesn´t make the sport better. It...

See, it´s all about money! Sellling out so the athletes and companies can make as much money as possible. Money doesn´t make the sport better. It doesn´t make the champions faster or the racing better. All it does it make riders spoiled prima donnas, and before we know it SX and MX will have its own riders and series competing against each other.
Just look at were we are now, the sport hs become so full of corporate BS that you can´t get a straight answer from a rider. All they do is drop names of sponsors. Just rewind 10-15 years and listen to the podium interviews and remind me what money really has done for the fans

MXinOC wrote:

Do you ever watch baseball or football, etc. If so, why are you allowed to sit on your ass and pretend to be an important part...

Do you ever watch baseball or football, etc. If so, why are you allowed to sit on your ass and pretend to be an important part of a sport you are not directly a part of. You and the others with this insane attitude that growing is the devil's work in action are such hipocrites in life. Money is only the devil if you as an individual allow it to be.

MXinOC wrote:

I for one want our top athletes and right on down the line to make as much money as they deserve... and as far as I...

I for one want our top athletes and right on down the line to make as much money as they deserve... and as far as I am concerned... I dream of the day... a future Roger D, a Jeremy, an RC, or RD2 Dungey, has Tiger and Kobe' type of wealth and recognition. What SX has done and will continue to do for MX's top athletes is AWESOME! I do not get the mind-set of those think like you Sunhouse, sorry. Not the NFL, the MLB, NBA, or the dreaded NASCAR have done anything wrong by letting non-participants that are called FANS, come and enjoy their support by watching the best they each have to offer, so that the beer sells, TV has their sports, bars are filled with fans drinking our sponsors beer as advertised on TV, etc., etc., economics makes America the greatest country in the world!

Sunhouse wrote:

See, it´s all about money! Sellling out so the athletes and companies can make as much money as possible. Money doesn´t make the sport better. It...

See, it´s all about money! Sellling out so the athletes and companies can make as much money as possible. Money doesn´t make the sport better. It doesn´t make the champions faster or the racing better. All it does it make riders spoiled prima donnas, and before we know it SX and MX will have its own riders and series competing against each other.
Just look at were we are now, the sport hs become so full of corporate BS that you can´t get a straight answer from a rider. All they do is drop names of sponsors. Just rewind 10-15 years and listen to the podium interviews and remind me what money really has done for the fans

MXinOC wrote:

Do you ever watch baseball or football, etc. If so, why are you allowed to sit on your ass and pretend to be an important part...

Do you ever watch baseball or football, etc. If so, why are you allowed to sit on your ass and pretend to be an important part of a sport you are not directly a part of. You and the others with this insane attitude that growing is the devil's work in action are such hipocrites in life. Money is only the devil if you as an individual allow it to be.

Sunhouse wrote:

See, it´s all about money! Sellling out so the athletes and companies can make as much money as possible. Money doesn´t make the sport better. It...

See, it´s all about money! Sellling out so the athletes and companies can make as much money as possible. Money doesn´t make the sport better. It doesn´t make the champions faster or the racing better. All it does it make riders spoiled prima donnas, and before we know it SX and MX will have its own riders and series competing against each other.
Just look at were we are now, the sport hs become so full of corporate BS that you can´t get a straight answer from a rider. All they do is drop names of sponsors. Just rewind 10-15 years and listen to the podium interviews and remind me what money really has done for the fans

MXinOC wrote:

Do you ever watch baseball or football, etc. If so, why are you allowed to sit on your ass and pretend to be an important part...

Do you ever watch baseball or football, etc. If so, why are you allowed to sit on your ass and pretend to be an important part of a sport you are not directly a part of. You and the others with this insane attitude that growing is the devil's work in action are such hipocrites in life. Money is only the devil if you as an individual allow it to be.

Karma wrote:

I for one don't watch either sport just for that reason, they are boring as hell, you can't even celebrate a touchdown in the NFL, or...

I for one don't watch either sport just for that reason, they are boring as hell, you can't even celebrate a touchdown in the NFL, or if your a Canuck like me, why would I watch baseball, my team is out of contention by June trying to compete with the Sox and NY all-stars, yup,a predertemined outcome, exciting stuff. I have no problem with money, but not for selling sugar and caffiene to teenagers.