Anyone ride/race after a reverse shoulder replacement or torn supraspinatus & LH biceps tendon rupture??

Darrin Willis
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1/27/2025 9:23am
Joko wrote:
Having the MRI this coming week. At orthopedic visit, Dr took X-rays, physical exam, and resistance tests in various planes and concluded that the Supraspinatus was...

Having the MRI this coming week. At orthopedic visit, Dr took X-rays, physical exam, and resistance tests in various planes and concluded that the Supraspinatus was fully torn, since the humerous ball was moved upward and no gap existed, an indentation on the rear side of the shoulder surface supposedly indicative of a retracted supraspinatus. I’m 60, and hope to continue to keep riding for many more years if possible. 

flmotogoon wrote:
Hey Joko so just my 2 cents not a doctor.. once you get the MRI your surgeon will have a much better idea about whether or...

Hey Joko so just my 2 cents not a doctor.. once you get the MRI your surgeon will have a much better idea about whether or not a repair is possible, without the study it’s somewhat of a blind guess as to what can be done. I would then suggest you get at least a 2nd opinion from a reputable surgeon who specializes in shoulder arthroscopy. If you’re an active guy who likes to do high impact activities like Mx, mtb, lifting heavy weights, etc I would think of reverse as a last resort option that can likely resolve your pain and give you pretty good function for most normal activities, but will never be as strong or flexible as your native shoulder and as others have stated if it gets messed up at some point can be a big problem to fix it. If your cuff is repairable then a successful repair would likely be able to return you to your pre injury function but will require several months of rehab to regain your range of motion and then strength after the surgery and the rehab will likely be painful. Also there is always a chance of a retear which you can do your best to mitigate by staying up on keeping the rotator cuff and shoulder strong and flexible.

My question to you would be why are you considering surgery, is it because of pain or not able to do the things you want to do, or both? Also have you had any therapy or injections?

ibpassngas wrote:
This is the correct advice.Yes I have a reverse total shoulder replacement.  Yes I still ride my KX450 as fast as I like without issue.  However...

This is the correct advice.

Yes I have a reverse total shoulder replacement.  Yes I still ride my KX450 as fast as I like without issue.  However, no racing stuff, I choose much gentler tracks purposely, and my shoulder is very sore afterwards.

If you are considering a reverse total shoulder (or any total shoulder) my advice is DON’T DO IT.  Always get second opinion on cuff tear repair options.  Joint replacement path is big surgery, does not give you a strong or flexible shoulder, has a lot of complication risks, and should be a last resort option (level 10 pain!).  The reverse joint I have took four tries to get a successful outcome.
 

If your First surgery was successful would you still have this opinion? I have a few months to decide . As I said before I feel like I'm gonna get to a pretty decent place without the surgery.  With the exception of range of motion. After reading these posts im beginning to think I should wait till im no longer skiing or riding before getting the reverse.  If at all.The physio guy I see works with several recipients of the reverse and says they are quite satisfied.  Im beginning to think that maybe these people aren't as active as I am and likely don't rail berms and ski double black diamonds.

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1/27/2025 12:10pm
Joko wrote:
Having the MRI this coming week. At orthopedic visit, Dr took X-rays, physical exam, and resistance tests in various planes and concluded that the Supraspinatus was...

Having the MRI this coming week. At orthopedic visit, Dr took X-rays, physical exam, and resistance tests in various planes and concluded that the Supraspinatus was fully torn, since the humerous ball was moved upward and no gap existed, an indentation on the rear side of the shoulder surface supposedly indicative of a retracted supraspinatus. I’m 60, and hope to continue to keep riding for many more years if possible. 

flmotogoon wrote:
Hey Joko so just my 2 cents not a doctor.. once you get the MRI your surgeon will have a much better idea about whether or...

Hey Joko so just my 2 cents not a doctor.. once you get the MRI your surgeon will have a much better idea about whether or not a repair is possible, without the study it’s somewhat of a blind guess as to what can be done. I would then suggest you get at least a 2nd opinion from a reputable surgeon who specializes in shoulder arthroscopy. If you’re an active guy who likes to do high impact activities like Mx, mtb, lifting heavy weights, etc I would think of reverse as a last resort option that can likely resolve your pain and give you pretty good function for most normal activities, but will never be as strong or flexible as your native shoulder and as others have stated if it gets messed up at some point can be a big problem to fix it. If your cuff is repairable then a successful repair would likely be able to return you to your pre injury function but will require several months of rehab to regain your range of motion and then strength after the surgery and the rehab will likely be painful. Also there is always a chance of a retear which you can do your best to mitigate by staying up on keeping the rotator cuff and shoulder strong and flexible.

My question to you would be why are you considering surgery, is it because of pain or not able to do the things you want to do, or both? Also have you had any therapy or injections?

Joko wrote:
The pain is not bad, maybe a 1-2 out of 10. Some days it feels pretty good.  I’m concerned about a potential dislocation if I continue...

The pain is not bad, maybe a 1-2 out of 10. Some days it feels pretty good.  I’m concerned about a potential dislocation if I continue to ride, causing further damage and a crash. I also like to keep up with moderate weight lifting for fitness, and concerned without that supraspinatus tendon I would further damage over time, joint wear & arthritis … I’ve been doing PT on my own with exercise direction, seems to slowly improve. No injections yet. You’re right, once the MRI results come back I can decide if the repair is possible; if so I’m leaning going that route instead of a replacement. If not repairable, maybe leaving it alone and using those braces recommended for activities could work…

Actually, it's quite simple. Even without seeing the imaging exams, if you have active movements that seem relatively preserved with little pain, there's absolutely no indication to implant a reverse shoulder prothesis.

1/27/2025 1:56pm
flmotogoon wrote:
Hey Joko so just my 2 cents not a doctor.. once you get the MRI your surgeon will have a much better idea about whether or...

Hey Joko so just my 2 cents not a doctor.. once you get the MRI your surgeon will have a much better idea about whether or not a repair is possible, without the study it’s somewhat of a blind guess as to what can be done. I would then suggest you get at least a 2nd opinion from a reputable surgeon who specializes in shoulder arthroscopy. If you’re an active guy who likes to do high impact activities like Mx, mtb, lifting heavy weights, etc I would think of reverse as a last resort option that can likely resolve your pain and give you pretty good function for most normal activities, but will never be as strong or flexible as your native shoulder and as others have stated if it gets messed up at some point can be a big problem to fix it. If your cuff is repairable then a successful repair would likely be able to return you to your pre injury function but will require several months of rehab to regain your range of motion and then strength after the surgery and the rehab will likely be painful. Also there is always a chance of a retear which you can do your best to mitigate by staying up on keeping the rotator cuff and shoulder strong and flexible.

My question to you would be why are you considering surgery, is it because of pain or not able to do the things you want to do, or both? Also have you had any therapy or injections?

ibpassngas wrote:
This is the correct advice.Yes I have a reverse total shoulder replacement.  Yes I still ride my KX450 as fast as I like without issue.  However...

This is the correct advice.

Yes I have a reverse total shoulder replacement.  Yes I still ride my KX450 as fast as I like without issue.  However, no racing stuff, I choose much gentler tracks purposely, and my shoulder is very sore afterwards.

If you are considering a reverse total shoulder (or any total shoulder) my advice is DON’T DO IT.  Always get second opinion on cuff tear repair options.  Joint replacement path is big surgery, does not give you a strong or flexible shoulder, has a lot of complication risks, and should be a last resort option (level 10 pain!).  The reverse joint I have took four tries to get a successful outcome.
 

If your First surgery was successful would you still have this opinion? I have a few months to decide . As I said before I feel...

If your First surgery was successful would you still have this opinion? I have a few months to decide . As I said before I feel like I'm gonna get to a pretty decent place without the surgery.  With the exception of range of motion. After reading these posts im beginning to think I should wait till im no longer skiing or riding before getting the reverse.  If at all.The physio guy I see works with several recipients of the reverse and says they are quite satisfied.  Im beginning to think that maybe these people aren't as active as I am and likely don't rail berms and ski double black diamonds.

We will never know – maybe or maybe not.  My first shoulder replacement was an anatomic total shoulder arthroplasty that failed within 3 months due to glenoid component loosening.  The second shoulder was same and also failed within 3 months for same reason.  After four tries it is solid (custom, reverse joint). However I think any total shoulder arthroplasty will be a significantly weaker, likely not fully stable, and not even close to handling the rigors and demands of athletics due to lack of rotator cuff and other soft tissue factors.  I’m not a doctor.

Ask your physio guy if his satisfied patients that have had a reverse shoulder arthroplasty do any intense athletics.  I think the medical field sells these joints as pain relievers and restores motion (mostly elevation) but hide the facts that post-surgical strength and full use capability is seriously compromised.  One person’s perspective here.  Good luck

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1/27/2025 2:06pm
Joko wrote:

Weighing the possibility of a reverse shoulder replacement to correct a fully torn irrepairable supraspinatus rotator cuff tendon.

Anyone have any experience with it? 
Thanks! 

I got the reverse complete done in October of 23.  Had 3 screws in the ball of the shoulder from about 30 years ago and it trashed everything to the point that I had constant pain and very little mobility.  My rotator was perfect and never had an issue with it but everything else in there was so trashed that I cdn't deal with the pain any longer.  It was pretty much the only option I had left to gain mobility and live pain free.  

I was back riding a little bit by July of 24 and was racing by Sept of 24.  I have no complaints at all about getting it done.  The first couple of weeks were miserable but once I started into therapy it moved along pretty quickly.  I have almost full range of motion back in front of my body and decent reach behind my back.  

I have heard storied about people not being able to lift more then 30lbs and mobility issues, but I am back to doing things i have not done for years. 

I am an old fart at 55yrs old but it has not caused me any issue riding at all.  I was concerned about the impact of landing short on decent jumps and all of the motions on the bike but honestly have not had any issues.  I am not what i used to be when i was 30, but i am better than when I was 53!

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1/27/2025 6:41pm
mikeblair wrote:
I got the reverse complete done in October of 23.  Had 3 screws in the ball of the shoulder from about 30 years ago and it...

I got the reverse complete done in October of 23.  Had 3 screws in the ball of the shoulder from about 30 years ago and it trashed everything to the point that I had constant pain and very little mobility.  My rotator was perfect and never had an issue with it but everything else in there was so trashed that I cdn't deal with the pain any longer.  It was pretty much the only option I had left to gain mobility and live pain free.  

I was back riding a little bit by July of 24 and was racing by Sept of 24.  I have no complaints at all about getting it done.  The first couple of weeks were miserable but once I started into therapy it moved along pretty quickly.  I have almost full range of motion back in front of my body and decent reach behind my back.  

I have heard storied about people not being able to lift more then 30lbs and mobility issues, but I am back to doing things i have not done for years. 

I am an old fart at 55yrs old but it has not caused me any issue riding at all.  I was concerned about the impact of landing short on decent jumps and all of the motions on the bike but honestly have not had any issues.  I am not what i used to be when i was 30, but i am better than when I was 53!

Sounds like a success for you! I just spoke to a coworker who had a reverse replacement 4 months ago, and he says he’s back to doing whatever he wants, the Doctor says he has no restrictions at all. He doesn’t ride but said he spent the day chopping wood al day and it felt great. I wonder if there may have been recent improvements in the hardware geometry that improves the application. He had the hardware from www.smith-nephew.com installed.  Maybe next years model will have DLC on the ball end 🙂IMG 0918 0

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Some additional follow-up info, may help someone in a similar situation… The MRI results concluded supraspinatus is fully torn and retracted too far back to reattach. I can deal with that, but the long head biceps tendon is severely torn, sublaxed with the sheath gone, so it’s rubbing in and out of the groove and will eventually rupture. Dr says it can rupture at anytime, options are to reattach to humerous (minor procedure, 4-6 months rehab, good results expected) or leave it alone and after it ruptures it’ll retract and bunch up causing “Popeye” muscle near the elbow. He said that’s ok and the other biceps head will eventually get stronger and take over, but I’ll lose some supination (ability to turn palm up, similar motion to using a screwdriver) and the cosmetic effect will still be there, could be some cramping involved afterwords. Will be getting a second opinion, but most likely will repair the bicep tendon before it goes out, rehab the joint and try out a Donjoy shoulder and start with some mild play or trail riding and see how that goes.

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Darrin Willis
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Any updates? I've been through the ringer. Failed Rotator cuff surgery. 

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