Another shooting in the UK

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Mr. G 7/6/2010 3:18pm
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Yes I want to live in a democratic society or really a represtative republic. And yes I do follow the rules as stated. I am not in any way suggesting an anarchy or rebellion save the voting ballot. It is just a lessoning of rights little by little by little. It ends up being quite dramatic.

I will give you an extreme example to show contrast: Back in the mid to late 19th century in this country people used to walk around with a side arm. Now people were nicer to each other as you may end up being out gunned if one is an A-hole (or slow). People walked tall and were mostly fair. Would I want to live back then? I don't think I could handle the "dental work" but that is an example of a slippery slope.
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J.F.S 7/6/2010 3:56pm
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Yes I want to live in a democratic society or really a represtative republic. And yes I do follow the rules as stated. I am not...
Yes I want to live in a democratic society or really a represtative republic. And yes I do follow the rules as stated. I am not in any way suggesting an anarchy or rebellion save the voting ballot. It is just a lessoning of rights little by little by little. It ends up being quite dramatic.

I will give you an extreme example to show contrast: Back in the mid to late 19th century in this country people used to walk around with a side arm. Now people were nicer to each other as you may end up being out gunned if one is an A-hole (or slow). People walked tall and were mostly fair. Would I want to live back then? I don't think I could handle the "dental work" but that is an example of a slippery slope.
Dude, know your history. I am sorry to hear your whole view of society revolves (pun?) around a side arm. On the other hand, if that is your only complaint, that there are no cowboys and bandits with sidearms walking or riding around Anaheim, I suppose your life is pretty ok.
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Mr. G 7/6/2010 4:09pm
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I stated in my post that that was an extreme example to show contrast. And no I did not say that was my only complaint, just an example. Do you understand that?
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J.F.S 7/6/2010 4:26pm
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I stated in my post that that was an extreme example to show contrast. And no I did not say that was my only complaint, just...
I stated in my post that that was an extreme example to show contrast. And no I did not say that was my only complaint, just an example. Do you understand that?
That is the example you chose to bring up, I have asked you for examples of what freedom is or is not, or what forces you refer to that have taken away your self-determanism and told you that you are not capable, the only thing you bring up is side arems, that is why I responded to side arm, chose something else then or give me something substantial. Seriously you are talking about cowboys and indians, it´s like saying, I liked it better in the 18th century because they did not have speed limits back then and could drive as fast as they wanted, now we are controlled with speed limits. There were no accidents back then either and no fatal crashes, they did not even have to wear seat belts, so no speed limits are better. I mean seriously, somethings are just not comparable, because societies looked very different back then from what they do now.

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Mr. G 7/6/2010 4:42pm
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I picked the firearm example because I know that is something you care about. How about the first amendment. Sweden has a first amendment but with an asterisk. That is to say Sweden is more limiting about the first amendment than the US is. You I am guessing are OK with that and I don't mind you being OK with that. I am not. By the by your two valued logic is not always workable.
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J.F.S 7/6/2010 5:01pm
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I picked the firearm example because I know that is something you care about. How about the first amendment. Sweden has a first amendment but with...
I picked the firearm example because I know that is something you care about. How about the first amendment. Sweden has a first amendment but with an asterisk. That is to say Sweden is more limiting about the first amendment than the US is. You I am guessing are OK with that and I don't mind you being OK with that. I am not. By the by your two valued logic is not always workable.
I dont care about fire arms, I am not very interested in fire arms. I do think the gun laws need to be adjusted in the US though, if that is what you mean. The rest of you post about Sweden has a first amendment with an asterisk and shit, I dont understand the meaning of, do you understand what you are writing? Please explain what you mean?
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Mr. G 7/6/2010 5:07pm
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What do you mean adjusted?
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FlaNard 7/6/2010 9:30pm
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Wow. What great freedoms.
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J.F.S 7/7/2010 12:42am
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We have discussed this video about two years ago already, what is your point? That Yngwie thought there were too few tv channels in the 1970 ies (40 years ago) , somehow says something about America and side arms? Dude likes his coke and his alcohol and is a great guitar player though!
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Mr. G 7/7/2010 8:20am
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We have discussed this video about two years ago already, what is your point? That Yngwie thought there were too few tv channels in the 1970...
We have discussed this video about two years ago already, what is your point? That Yngwie thought there were too few tv channels in the 1970 ies (40 years ago) , somehow says something about America and side arms? Dude likes his coke and his alcohol and is a great guitar player though!
Excellent. Thank you for this reply. Notice that JFS purposely skips the main point of the video and then goes to espouse how Yngwie likes coke, alcohol and is a great guitar player "though"? You mean "but is a great guitar player right?
The most important part is what he skips. You see politicians do this in debate. It is what I call a "creative no-answer. Of course Yngwie's main point is the freedom one has in America to rise to whatever level one wants.
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7I3N 7/7/2010 10:23am
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J.F.S wrote:
We have discussed this video about two years ago already, what is your point? That Yngwie thought there were too few tv channels in the 1970...
We have discussed this video about two years ago already, what is your point? That Yngwie thought there were too few tv channels in the 1970 ies (40 years ago) , somehow says something about America and side arms? Dude likes his coke and his alcohol and is a great guitar player though!
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Excellent. Thank you for this reply. Notice that JFS purposely skips the main point of the video and then goes to espouse how Yngwie likes coke...
Excellent. Thank you for this reply. Notice that JFS purposely skips the main point of the video and then goes to espouse how Yngwie likes coke, alcohol and is a great guitar player "though"? You mean "but is a great guitar player right?
The most important part is what he skips. You see politicians do this in debate. It is what I call a "creative no-answer. Of course Yngwie's main point is the freedom one has in America to rise to whatever level one wants.
Yeah, I caught that too. I think he ignored that part because one of the things he loves about Sweden was still getting a trophy for 19th place when he raced moto.
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J.F.S 7/8/2010 1:58am
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J.F.S wrote:
We have discussed this video about two years ago already, what is your point? That Yngwie thought there were too few tv channels in the 1970...
We have discussed this video about two years ago already, what is your point? That Yngwie thought there were too few tv channels in the 1970 ies (40 years ago) , somehow says something about America and side arms? Dude likes his coke and his alcohol and is a great guitar player though!
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Excellent. Thank you for this reply. Notice that JFS purposely skips the main point of the video and then goes to espouse how Yngwie likes coke...
Excellent. Thank you for this reply. Notice that JFS purposely skips the main point of the video and then goes to espouse how Yngwie likes coke, alcohol and is a great guitar player "though"? You mean "but is a great guitar player right?
The most important part is what he skips. You see politicians do this in debate. It is what I call a "creative no-answer. Of course Yngwie's main point is the freedom one has in America to rise to whatever level one wants.
So what do you want me to reply? I wasnt old enough in the 1970s to really have an opinion, but as far as I can remember I did feel free even though we did not have a tv channel that showed cartoons 24/7, but Yngwie is not telling the truth, because we still had disney cartoons and other cartoons, but less than what USA had back then. There are bigger artist from Sweden who had the freedom to rise to whatever levels they wanted back in the 70-80s and they did it in Sweden, like ABBA and Europe, they rose to a much higher level if you measure fan base and income. Mr G, you stil havent answered any of my questions to you, why do you avoid it?
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Mr. G 7/8/2010 8:00am
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Which question?
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J.F.S 7/8/2010 11:28am
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Here is one example:
what are the forces you that you feel have taken away your self-determanism and told you that you are not capable
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Mr. G 7/8/2010 5:21pm
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Back in the late 19th century there were no gun laws, no income tax just to name two. Of course there is more country to pay for now but certainly the level of waste is significant. Also before the industrial revolution many many more people were self employed and had far less of a entitlement viewpoint.
The entrepreneurial spirit is still alive and well but the cards are more stacked against. Not trying to paint a helpless picture as the able will still be able.
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jdbmx 7/8/2010 11:42pm
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Back to the original topic and yes we do have very restrictive laws on guns and from my own point of view it`s a good thing, it started in the 80`s with the Hungerford massacre and then Dunblane. Hand guns are banned as are semi and automatic weapons, what have we lost by banning all these weapons? we don`t do so well at the Olympics etc in the shooting discipline, no great loss as far as i`m concerned. Yes we still have the odd nutter, but with 60 million people in a country half the size of Texas you`re bound to get problems. Most gun crime in this country is criminal on criminal as i`m sure it is in the states which quite frankly can only be classed as a good thing, all legal weapons must be kept in a secure box so criminals and children cannot gain access.

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Mr. G 7/9/2010 5:28pm
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If you want to talk rise in crime rate then yes there is more. Are there more guns than the old days? Yes but not at the level that would coincide. There are though millions of people on certain drugs that have the stated side effect of homicide and suicide that we did not have say back in the 50's. And it is getting worse. They even have Prozac for infants and dogs now.

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