How serious does our organization take safety?

Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 12:59pm
Not seriously at all.

Yesterday at Red Bud, I watched the first 3 practice sessions from the bleachers in front of Larocco's leap. I saw 4 or 5 different riders eat shit over this jump. Who was in charge of flagging this blind-landing massive jump? Some 15 year old girl who has never rode a dirt bike before in her life. Eventually, the girl was replaced by someone else, after AMA officials stood and watched her pay no attention to what was happening.

More flaggers are not an improvement to safety. Getting flaggers that know what the fuck it's like to come over the backside of a jump and see someone laying in the middle of the track would be an improvement. Eliminating yellow flags on jump faces like this one all together and replacing them with a yellow strobe light with a switch and an operater standing on the side of the track able to see the front and backside of the jump is the solution. Don't tell me that the AMA doesnt have the money to buy lights and pay a credible safety marshall. Some little girl who just wants to get a tan and is more concerned with texting her boyfriend that's getting paid 8.00 an hour doesnt seem like the right person to handle riders lives.

I'm a pro license holding rider, and I'm starting to get really fed up with the poor management of safety. Never again do I want to see such carelessness towards the professional athletes of our sport.

Devolop a simple switch operated lighting system, find credible light operators (racers), train them, and pay them well to do their job well, and eliminate this safety system that rivals backyard wrestling.
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7/4/2010 11:05am Edited Date/Time 7/4/2010 11:07am
While I agree whole heartedly with you on most of your post, the problem lies with actually finding someone to do the job. Trust me, I've managed tracks and refereed for many years and it's ALWAYS a problem getting good people to stand out in the sun/dust/rain/mud/cold for many hours on end no matter what the pay.



IMO, a jump like Larocco's Leap needs 3 people: One at the landing of the jump, one at the take off and one at the corner before the jump. All three will have radios with a dedicated channel for them only. The person at the landing is responsible for radioing the other two of any situation at the landing of the jump. With someone waving a yellow as the rider is entering the straight before the jump (or the corner for that matter) and one at the take off the riders are sure to see one or both of the flags.
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7/4/2010 12:19pm
TerryK wrote:
While I agree whole heartedly with you on most of your post, the problem lies with actually finding someone to do the job. Trust me, I've...
While I agree whole heartedly with you on most of your post, the problem lies with actually finding someone to do the job. Trust me, I've managed tracks and refereed for many years and it's ALWAYS a problem getting good people to stand out in the sun/dust/rain/mud/cold for many hours on end no matter what the pay.



IMO, a jump like Larocco's Leap needs 3 people: One at the landing of the jump, one at the take off and one at the corner before the jump. All three will have radios with a dedicated channel for them only. The person at the landing is responsible for radioing the other two of any situation at the landing of the jump. With someone waving a yellow as the rider is entering the straight before the jump (or the corner for that matter) and one at the take off the riders are sure to see one or both of the flags.
MX/SX is a dangerous sport so get used to it seems to be the catch phrase.

I remember seeing Albertyn and Lusk (think it knocked Ezra out of the series as I recall) come together at a SX in practice in the 90s due to poor flagging and not a single thing has changed. Flagging has been and will be an issue forever so rub a lamp if you think anything will ever change.


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7/4/2010 12:39pm
As old school as I am (riding since '72), I don't think there is anyway we can "get used to it". I am all for personal responsibility but one of these days someone is going to die because of this and there is going to be a feeding frenzy of scum bag lawyers jump in to this deal with both feet. They will change our sport whether we want them to or not. With all the discussion we have had re: flaggers over the past couple of years I am surprised it hasn't happened yet. Yes, MX is a dangerous sport. We all agree on that but this issue is bordering on "gross negligence". I can see any piece of paper anyone may have signed that will protect us from that.
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7/4/2010 12:59pm
I agree with you to an extent. I have flagged a national before and they do their best and give the jobs to people who either A) Flagged for the amateur races the most and Cool Racers. I even saw a rather large man be sent home because he was not mobile enough to do the job. Now Red Bud is not the same promoter so I cannot speak for their standards but obviously they were a little lower.

Another point I have is although she wasn't waving her flag should a jump like Larrocos Leap not have a guy with the "Wheels on the ground" flag. A yellow flag does not stop these guys from jumping anything whatsoever. I was flagging a drop off at the national, during the LCQ, on the last lap a rider in about 20th place fell hard and broke his wrist, so obviously I'm waving my flag and trying to point them to a safe line so they dont go 4th gear into him and his bike off this drop off. THE RIDERS DID NOT LISTEN or pay attention. This is the last lap of the LCQ, they have no shot of making it in half a lap, and they were flying right at this guy! The only thing that will keep a rider from airing out a jump is the wheels on the ground flag.

All that being said, obviously no flag being waved is unacceptable. I think as you can see from the "Drop Off" thread DC and MX Sports does care, and I'd just like to throw my name in the hat, I'd flag every national for an entire season and I'm sure there would be a lot of others willing to do the same if the money was right.

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7/4/2010 1:32pm
Not real sure. A Carlos Macho pic from Motonews.

7/4/2010 1:59pm
They did have the wheels on the ground flag for Larocco's leap.

I know that finding people to sit out in the sun is a pain in the ass. Pay them better, and you'll get better people to do the job.

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