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The whole story is fishy
Did the stark work for the Asian guy and then the dealer contacted stark to shut the computer off? If so I’m sure they had gps location but Idk. Fishy indeed.
This is definitely a puzzling part for everyone, myself included.
When I was at Shawn’s shop buying it, the computer showed just over 6 miles with maybe four or five short street rides, with maps to show the location of those rides. Hopefully when and if someone can get back into the computer ( I couldn’t once I got home as everything seemed to be shut down) maybe that can lead them to the Asian guy?
Just spit balling here because again, I really don’t understand the whole tracking system and what it’s capable of.
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Sounds unbelievable from the original dealer.
Yeah, like this guy got shook by the dealer and the guy that sold him the bike. Definitely not buying a bike from them ever.
Correct. And if the dealer allowed the bike to be taken off the showroom floor by a customer under some debt arrangement it wasn't "stolen". The dealer now has a bad loan on his books.
Not anymore and they where mighty slick about it.
As it’s such a complex and convoluted chain of events with so many different parties involved, I’m not quite ready to throw blame at the dealership. Between them and Stark, they appear to be the only ones trying to come up with a way to help me in this situation.
All I know is, it’s Saturday and I should be out riding my new bike today and instead I’m working on small claims court, lawyers, and left to figure out what the hell I’m doing next!🤬
Fucking sucks! I had a bike stolen and it’s a very shitty feeling when things are out of your control. Hope you get some resolve soon and thanks for keeping us posted on what could be some bad names in the business.
Yea this is fucked. That dealer had no right to take that bike back. Of course if stark or the dealer wouldn’t unlock it it’s a 260# paper weight.
Yeah, it definitely was a shitty feeling! Hoping to have some more updates tomorrow. Hopefully good ones!🤞🏻
Seems the one party here that is repeatedly at fault is the dealer. Did they make you sign the bike over to them or just thank you and send you down the road?
I'm guessing since the title was apparently "fake" he didn't have to sign anything over. He was probably given a property receipt from law enforcement and a report number. That's probably about it.
I hate seeing stuff like this, where people trying to do the right thing are taken advantage of because someone else doesn't know how to really do their job, or is just too lazy to do it.
He said it was a legit Cali title. Now maybe it was not titled to him yet so he didn't need to sign.
I thought he said it ended up being a fraudulent title as well.
he did.
MX Addic seems to think that's just what the dealership said so they could get the bike back. A quick vin search would verify if the title was issued.
No, the dealer told him the pink slip was fake whatever that means.
"somehow a genuine California title had been assigned to this bike but as I found out from Coyne, it was under the same fake name"
Pit Row
Bottom line this was NOT a verified stolen vehicle with a CA database stolen return hit. Which ultimately means there was much more lying and ass-covering and the cops more than likely just strongly suggested he give the dealer the bike and then "work something out" after.
Such a crappy situation.
hire a lawyer and go after the dealer?
from the sounds of it Mr.pip should have legal rights to the bike.
It's possible of course, but it's all civil at this point and probably not worth the risk in legal costs. Even for $10k
They did. They told him to pound salt.
If you didn't sign anything I would go back to the dealer and tell them you want the bike back or your money.
What had happened was dealer sold the bike, didn’t want to record taxes and/ or pay taxes on the sale, all while having it in demo mode, so when bike was out away from dealer stark probably thought oh it’s just the dealer riding it or demo’ing it.
Then after said bike was sold and dude goes to unlock it from demo mode, stark probably got in touch with dealer and said did you sell this unit cause if so we got to notify the gov and if so you will have to pay taxes on that sale, and dealer said “hell nah” cause they probably sold it too cheap, then reported it stolen.
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The bike was at a shop when he picked it up, not the dealer. Try and keep up 😉
This whole deal boggles my mind. But I’m not the most patient and law abiding citizen either.
I’m definitely not accepting the “I spent the money already” excuse.
The OP is probably doing the right thing, but I would’ve probably been arrested if I was him.
Sorry to hear that you went through this but one thing that seems off to me is the dealer taking the bike back and leaving you screwed. Doesn’t the dealer have insurance for theft? You’d think they were already compensated through their insurance and now got the bike back which would mean the dealer made out, the scum back thief made out and you got fakkd.
I know the bike was at a shop when he picked it up I’m talking about the dealer that originally sold the bike.
They sold it in demo mode, someone paid in cash took it home then re-sold it, probably cause demo mode sucked and they didn’t know what was wrong with it.
Dealer probably did a cash deal and never recorded sale,
But since it’s a gps verifiable and WiFi activated computer bike in order to take it out of demo mode the sale probably has to be recorded.
The dealer that originally sold the bike should be to blame for all of this, since a title or certificate of origin that was probably legit was created with the bike (not sure how someone can fake that)
the dealer probably needs the bike back to cover their ass and that’s why they probably reported it stolen first cause ultimately the dealer is making out like the bandit, they get the original sale in cash and the bike back. And are still in good with stark for future sales.
I have seen this happen before with gas bikes.
You’ve seen this happen before?
Really?
Theft by fraud from dealers happens a lot more than you'd think. Kind of surprised someone bothered wasting their time running a scam like that for a dirt bike, usually it's for high-end vehicles that are on the water for the middle east and Asia before anyone realizes what happened.
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