Private track build

7/26/2024 12:18pm

When a bunch of heavy equipment shows up to start moving dirt people are going to want to know why, if he had just gone out the with a bobcat every now and then I doubt he would have run into any problems. 😒

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7/26/2024 1:01pm
byke wrote:
Sounds like you should get the statement from your district commissioner in writing. Send an email confirming what you discussed and then ask a few follow...

Sounds like you should get the statement from your district commissioner in writing. Send an email confirming what you discussed and then ask a few follow up questions to keep dialog going. If the only concern is a noise violation, then just take the hit. They'll need to come out there and stand at the property border/s with testing equipment in order to prove you violated a noise ordinance, which they may not even do, and even if they do, what's the cost? $100/day? It's probably not going to be a ton. Just get as much done as you can in one day, see what the violation process is like, then consider more days from there. 

And don't go crazy with earth moving, take a minimalist approach, also taking a bunch of before and after photos to show how little you actually did. Then maybe just for fun, go through their process with the board of supervisors and contest the single-day violation, because what, people can't use tractors on their property because it's too noisy? You can't build a shooting backstop out of dirt on your property? That's all silly. Go test everything out with a minor violation and see what happens, that's my recommendation. 

I was reading the county bylaws and it looks like he  would also need a permit to disturb as much soil as it sounds like he...

I was reading the county bylaws and it looks like he  would also need a permit to disturb as much soil as it sounds like he was going to move or started moving.  It states that landscaping projects that disturb over an acre would require the permit that he said they told him he would need. 

Farming was one of the ways of moving a large amount of soil that was  excluded from needing a permit. Along with a list of 10 or so others. And a list of projects that would require the permit no matter how much was disturbed.  So it sounds like it is more than noise. 

 

  If I was him I would have marked out a track in the field and ridden it as natural terrain before moving any dirt. Get a feel for the flow of the layout ,especially if he has never built a MX track before. 

 

It sure sucks that it is so hard to put a legal place to ride together.  

byke wrote:
We have the same rule here in Placer County, anything over an acre needs a permit. He can still get going though, because an acre of...

We have the same rule here in Placer County, anything over an acre needs a permit. He can still get going though, because an acre of 12ft wide (or whatever width) is still a lot of track before it makes up an acre. Plus, you can do things to shrink it, like for now it would be wise to leave every flat spot untouched, so that you're not actually building a track, you're just building random jumps which later on you'll connect by either scraping the flat parts in between, or just riding them to put the track together. 

I think that he already has moved a bunch of soil. From the sounds of it in his post. He said that people noticed the large amount of equipment. It sounds like he made a big commotion to get noticed like he did  on farmland , to move enough soil and have equipment stick out enough to be reported .   I am assuming from his post that he had already moved  enough to need the permit,  since he was told he would need one.  But if he has not moved material yet and the machines were just sitting.  I have built a few tracks in 1 day with a medium sized dozer. So I was assuming that if he did enough to stick out on farmland that he was well on his way.

 

I agree that he could get a decent sized track made and not disturb an acre if done right. I have been able to make about a mile of trail in my just over 5 acres of area I have for trails. And keep them so You are unable to see from Satellite or drone without knowing what is there. Even flying my own drone over , its hard to see.  I'm doing to to keep sounds down and help with dust.

  During the process I have measured the actual land used on many local tracks to see what I could fit inside the area I have. And I was surprised at how small some of the tracks end up being when You measure just the area ridden on. I have a trail network that could be ridden like a track, or used as fire roads, walking trails, etc. I've kept it melo so my 80 year old mother can drive her jeep around most   of it. She loves being outdoors and seeing the animals that the property helps support.  

 

To me it sounds like the OP has already made a big enough impact that its going to be hard to sneak it in. I do hope they make some more posts.

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mikelawlor
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7/26/2024 2:21pm

This is why I have a gate at the end of my driveway. I have a track at my house on 20 acres. You can’t see any of my neighbors houses from mine or my track but put a gate up. You already said it’s a farm. Close the gates and if they come on your property tell them to “get the fuck off” and if they report you press charges for trespassing and then tell them you were farming your land and that’s why you have the equipment there. This shit really pisses me off. I fuckin hate when people try to tell other people what to do on there own land. 

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10/3/2024 8:05am
KHNC wrote:

So the OP made one post and left. IF he applied that amount of effort into getting his track built, he will never build a track. 

Have a meeting with the city October 27th so there’s nothing to update. I’ve had erosion control plans drawn up and sent to city but have to wait till hearing to see if they will give me permit or not! 

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10/3/2024 8:46am
KHNC wrote:

So the OP made one post and left. IF he applied that amount of effort into getting his track built, he will never build a track. 

Have a meeting with the city October 27th so there’s nothing to update. I’ve had erosion control plans drawn up and sent to city but have...

Have a meeting with the city October 27th so there’s nothing to update. I’ve had erosion control plans drawn up and sent to city but have to wait till hearing to see if they will give me permit or not! 

       If there will be people allowed to speak   both for and against the approval. That is a common thing with any of the town or city meetings I have experienced  around me. If it is a public meeting than I would expect somebody to have questions other than the City. I would try and get some of the people local to you to go and support you. If You know they will support it.  Chances are the person that reported You might be there to speak  against the track.  Try and have answers for their concerns. If they are reasonable I think that You may be able to avoid a longer process by talking with them and finding out why they would not want a track there. And perhaps they have an idea in their heads that it will be something that its not going to be.  Who knows, Your neighbors might even be for the track, and just worried that it was going to be houses or some sort of development.   

It could also help you prepare for what other people may say to object to the track. And have some answers that could help speed up the process.  Better to be over prepared than under if You want to get moving along as quick as possible.   If You have answers to concerns that people express  it could go much better than if there are some concerns that You are unsure how to address.  If You are able to give the people in charge answers that show You know what You are doing and giving them all the answers they have questions for helps make it easier for them to approve You and not delay and postpone so that a study can be done, or so that You are able to get the answers for them.

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10/3/2024 10:18am
JustMX wrote:
Tell them if you can't build a track you will just put chicken houses in it.Put a sign up saying future home of 5 conagra contract...

Tell them if you can't build a track you will just put chicken houses in it.

Put a sign up saying future home of 5 conagra contract houses. 50' x 300' each 

Push the dirt around into stock piles convenient for jumps.

Find a chicken farm and buy some litter and spread it near the neighbors so they can get a little preview of what might be coming.

If they fight the chicken houses just throw your hands up in the air and then go start putting in laps on your "stockpiles".

If they are smart they will just leave you alone and think they have dodged a bullet.

Anybody that has ever lived within a mile of chicken houses knows ..lol

There isn't any other smell quite like it, that's for sure. 

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10/3/2024 11:26am
JustMX wrote:
Tell them if you can't build a track you will just put chicken houses in it.Put a sign up saying future home of 5 conagra contract...

Tell them if you can't build a track you will just put chicken houses in it.

Put a sign up saying future home of 5 conagra contract houses. 50' x 300' each 

Push the dirt around into stock piles convenient for jumps.

Find a chicken farm and buy some litter and spread it near the neighbors so they can get a little preview of what might be coming.

If they fight the chicken houses just throw your hands up in the air and then go start putting in laps on your "stockpiles".

If they are smart they will just leave you alone and think they have dodged a bullet.

Anybody that has ever lived within a mile of chicken houses knows ..lol

Falcon wrote:

There isn't any other smell quite like it, that's for sure. 

My family had chickens growing up. I can still smell  the smell as I read these posts. 

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10/3/2024 5:12pm
KHNC wrote:

So the OP made one post and left. IF he applied that amount of effort into getting his track built, he will never build a track. 

Have a meeting with the city October 27th so there’s nothing to update. I’ve had erosion control plans drawn up and sent to city but have...

Have a meeting with the city October 27th so there’s nothing to update. I’ve had erosion control plans drawn up and sent to city but have to wait till hearing to see if they will give me permit or not! 

I hope your meeting goes well.
Do you know which neighbor called to shut you down? Do you understand what they want?
If your neighbor just wants an erosion plan, it looks like you have it covered. Otherwise, code enforcement raised the use within your zoning and the district commissioner raised a question about noise. I hope you have a thorough response to both. They can always raise additional questions at any time. If they only raised three questions, and you answered the ones they asked, it doesn't mean you have everything they want.

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