Why is M800 lying?

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Sunhouse 5/31/2010 8:34am
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jakefortyeight wrote:
Pretty good sunhouse. You dismissed the fact that Alessi chose to lie instead of man up and say "Yeah, we came together it was just racing"...
Pretty good sunhouse. You dismissed the fact that Alessi chose to lie instead of man up and say "Yeah, we came together it was just racing" and turned it back to wether M800 took BT out or not in less than a few sentences.

Of course you can't admit Alessi is lying, because that would obviously prove he was trying to hide something.

Where you standing there at that turn? We were.
No, read it again! I said, maybe he didn`t notice hitting him.
#2: What shocking news are you trying to portray here? This is boring
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usa441 5/31/2010 8:37am
5/31/2010 8:37am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:15pm
Heres the vidTongue



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toroP 5/31/2010 8:38am
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jakefortyeight wrote:
From Racer-X http://www.racerxonline.com/article/us-gp-report-6-31-10.aspx "Townley should have been a part of the dice but had an acrimonious incident with Alessi early-doors that would damage his Honda and...
From Racer-X
http://www.racerxonline.com/article/us-gp-report-6-31-10.aspx

"Townley should have been a part of the dice but had an acrimonious incident with Alessi early-doors that would damage his Honda and provoke his retirement effectively ending the Kiwi’s chance of a podium. Alessi dismissed the coming-together as a racing incident and insists he did not actually touch or mean malice to his AMA title-rival.

Townley, post-moto, was livid and pointed out the damage to his CRF to his team, later taking the chance to roost his rival on the exit to the sighting lap which led to a bout of hand-waving/gesturing between the duo. Alessi did not get the chance to respond as Townley flighted his way to a confident and easy win; his first at a GP since England 2005 and his first at Glen Helen since 2007. "

I was standing 20 feet away from the whole incident.  My son had just commented that on the lap before Townley had a super fast line down the downhill on the right hand side and he thought BT was setting M800 up for the pass in the left turn at the bottom of the hill- so we glued our eyes to BT and M800 and waited for them to come around.

1st - Mikey is full of $hit - BT went down because M800 went wide and clipped BT's front end - simle as that...

Sure enough, BT pinned it on the right side of the downhill as M800 held tight to the left to protect the inside of the left turn at the bottom. At the bottom of the hill before entering the turn, BT blew by Mikey.  BT swept from outside and in front of Alessi to block Alessi's line as they entered the turn.  BT executed the pass perfectly and there was no contact at all.

Because BT had carried so much speed into the turn, he was forced to drift a little wide.  BT was in a smooth sweeping arc as he began to exit the turn and was not squaring back up trying to cut across the line Alessi was on.  M800 had other plans though.  Mikey clearly changed the arc he was on, drifting his bike to the outside, abandoning the inside line he had comitted to try and protect. There were no fewer than 30+ people standing along the fence at the bottom of that turn watching as M800 gassed it and drove straight into BT, clipping his front wheel in a classic take out move.  

It looked like BT's front left fork hung up on the right side / swing arm of Mikey' bike.  The hit was so hard it jerked the bars of Townley's bike violently to the right causing BT to highside and go over the bars.  Most  of the people witnessing shook thier heads in disbelief and several booed!  Everyone standing there that saw it agreed - M800 took BT out - no doubt about it.

Big mistake - not only did M800 take BT out, but by not manning up and admitting to what he did, he is essentially making BT out to be a liar and once again, with a long Outdoor season ahead, M800 has added another rider to the list of riders who will not hesitate to punt M800 into the cheap seats if given a chance...  


The word of which rider? Townley, who was pissed, or Alessi, who said no contact?
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Onderhond 5/31/2010 8:43am
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BT was like twice as fast coming down that hill. Unfortunately for him, but that's racing boys and girls.

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usa441 wrote:
Heres the vidTongue



awesome! Thanks for the post.

No doubt there was contact. Couldn't say if it was intended to take BT out or just grabbing a handful to try and beat him out of the corner. Looked like BT blew that corner a bit and that's what really gave Mike the chance to make that move. If BT was able to hold his momentum a little bit and Mike did that, looks like they would have both been on the ground (ala, the infamous Langston dump/pass on MA years ago).
jakefortyeight 5/31/2010 8:44am
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jakefortyeight wrote:
Pretty good sunhouse. You dismissed the fact that Alessi chose to lie instead of man up and say "Yeah, we came together it was just racing"...
Pretty good sunhouse. You dismissed the fact that Alessi chose to lie instead of man up and say "Yeah, we came together it was just racing" and turned it back to wether M800 took BT out or not in less than a few sentences.

Of course you can't admit Alessi is lying, because that would obviously prove he was trying to hide something.

Where you standing there at that turn? We were.
Sunhouse wrote:
No, read it again! I said, maybe he didn`t notice hitting him.
#2: What shocking news are you trying to portray here? This is boring
So basically you're saying M800 was riding like a clueless idiot and didn't know he and BT came together?
dirtworldmx 5/31/2010 8:44am
5/31/2010 8:44am
I think I speak for everyone when I say that the word 'acrimonious' has no place in the sport of motocross.
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72kiteboarder 5/31/2010 8:47am
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Racing, plain and simple.
jakefortyeight 5/31/2010 8:47am
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txmxer wrote:
awesome! Thanks for the post. No doubt there was contact. Couldn't say if it was intended to take BT out or just grabbing a handful to...
awesome! Thanks for the post.

No doubt there was contact. Couldn't say if it was intended to take BT out or just grabbing a handful to try and beat him out of the corner. Looked like BT blew that corner a bit and that's what really gave Mike the chance to make that move. If BT was able to hold his momentum a little bit and Mike did that, looks like they would have both been on the ground (ala, the infamous Langston dump/pass on MA years ago).
You are correct. BT did slow a little when he was apexing the turn as he got himself in the loose stuff on the outside, but trust me, M800 had to purposely sweep outside to drill BT and it was super obvious to everyone standing there.
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SH_105 5/31/2010 8:52am
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Whether or not Mike meant to clean BT out only Mike knows the real answer, was it racing...? Yeah for sure but also when you hit someone that hard to break the head pipe and damage the inside of a front fork tube thats pretty cut and dry to me if it were intentional or not.... You decide which conclussion you all would come to if it were you in the situation


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Nikhil 5/31/2010 8:53am
5/31/2010 8:53am Edited Date/Time 5/31/2010 8:54am
I hate Alessi, as you can probably tell from my numerous threads making fun of him, but that wasn't an intentional takeout. Look at the exit of the turn before BT and Alessi come through. There are 2 inside ruts, and the one Alessi was in came together with Townley's line. Townley lost his drive, and Alessi nailed the exit, causing them to come together. It really was a racing incident IMO. He didn't pop out of his rut to drift wide, he just had control of the racing line. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Alessi was hoping for that outcome, but from the video, it just looked like the lines came together.
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Sunhouse 5/31/2010 8:56am
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jakefortyeight wrote:
Pretty good sunhouse. You dismissed the fact that Alessi chose to lie instead of man up and say "Yeah, we came together it was just racing"...
Pretty good sunhouse. You dismissed the fact that Alessi chose to lie instead of man up and say "Yeah, we came together it was just racing" and turned it back to wether M800 took BT out or not in less than a few sentences.

Of course you can't admit Alessi is lying, because that would obviously prove he was trying to hide something.

Where you standing there at that turn? We were.
Sunhouse wrote:
No, read it again! I said, maybe he didn`t notice hitting him.
#2: What shocking news are you trying to portray here? This is boring
jakefortyeight wrote:
So basically you're saying M800 was riding like a clueless idiot and didn't know he and BT came together?
So basically I`m saying WHAT?!?! "Clueless idiot!?? wtf are you talking about? You sound like a journalist from a Brit gossip mag. Mike was racing ahead of BT, where was he clueless about defending his line and position? Do you see his bike slide or react to "the hit"? I sure don`t. Like I said: MAYBE he didn\t notice hitting him as it happened.

What now? He`s got haemoroids and Tourettes?
sbarrington314 5/31/2010 9:01am
5/31/2010 9:01am
wow. i love it. the people that say it was racing are the same people bitching about grant trying to take out alessi at hangtown. which was just racing.
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Toste 5/31/2010 9:04am
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txmxer wrote:
awesome! Thanks for the post. No doubt there was contact. Couldn't say if it was intended to take BT out or just grabbing a handful to...
awesome! Thanks for the post.

No doubt there was contact. Couldn't say if it was intended to take BT out or just grabbing a handful to try and beat him out of the corner. Looked like BT blew that corner a bit and that's what really gave Mike the chance to make that move. If BT was able to hold his momentum a little bit and Mike did that, looks like they would have both been on the ground (ala, the infamous Langston dump/pass on MA years ago).
jakefortyeight wrote:
You are correct. BT did slow a little when he was apexing the turn as he got himself in the loose stuff on the outside, but...
You are correct. BT did slow a little when he was apexing the turn as he got himself in the loose stuff on the outside, but trust me, M800 had to purposely sweep outside to drill BT and it was super obvious to everyone standing there.
You've conceded that passing on the outside is risky business and that BT boogered the turn a little, yet you still argue to the better end.

That quote from Tortelli pretty much sums it up for me, but then I don't believe there is really such a thing as a "dirty move" in MX. Aggressive riding has a way of policing itself since it's so easy for both riders involved to go down.
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WideOpen 5/31/2010 9:12am
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That was not a takeout. BT blew that corner. He did not commit as hard as Alessi and paid the price by going down.
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mxjef 5/31/2010 9:13am
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You can't really see from that video that Alessi crossed over a couple deep ruts from the inside to outside to take out Townley in that move. I was on the hill on the other side of the track and could see it better than the video showed.
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curmudgeon 5/31/2010 9:14am
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Grendel wrote:
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So you are saying that you were high on solvents when you predicted the race would be a "piece of cake" for Mike.
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jmar 5/31/2010 9:26am
5/31/2010 9:26am
This thread has gone from "team tactics" conspiracy to the typical, "I hate Mike thread".

Amazing.

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Toste 5/31/2010 9:32am
5/31/2010 9:32am Edited Date/Time 5/31/2010 9:32am
I really do believe this was a "just racing" incident, but
just to play devil's advocate, I wonder if Tony thinks "the universe" will get even with Mike over this? Laughing
jakefortyeight 5/31/2010 9:35am
5/31/2010 9:35am
txmxer wrote:
awesome! Thanks for the post. No doubt there was contact. Couldn't say if it was intended to take BT out or just grabbing a handful to...
awesome! Thanks for the post.

No doubt there was contact. Couldn't say if it was intended to take BT out or just grabbing a handful to try and beat him out of the corner. Looked like BT blew that corner a bit and that's what really gave Mike the chance to make that move. If BT was able to hold his momentum a little bit and Mike did that, looks like they would have both been on the ground (ala, the infamous Langston dump/pass on MA years ago).
jakefortyeight wrote:
You are correct. BT did slow a little when he was apexing the turn as he got himself in the loose stuff on the outside, but...
You are correct. BT did slow a little when he was apexing the turn as he got himself in the loose stuff on the outside, but trust me, M800 had to purposely sweep outside to drill BT and it was super obvious to everyone standing there.
Toste wrote:
You've conceded that passing on the outside is risky business and that BT boogered the turn a little, yet you still argue to the better end...
You've conceded that passing on the outside is risky business and that BT boogered the turn a little, yet you still argue to the better end.

That quote from Tortelli pretty much sums it up for me, but then I don't believe there is really such a thing as a "dirty move" in MX. Aggressive riding has a way of policing itself since it's so easy for both riders involved to go down.
I guess you must have missed the topic. You and Alessi aren't related are you?
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gnarwhip 5/31/2010 9:37am
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I was standing right next to the scrub jump after that left hand turn at the bottom of the downhill. The postion of the camera in that video doesn't really show how badly Alessi came across Towley's line. From my view I had the PERFECT angle, and it was one of the most blatant take-out moves I have ever seen! There was contact 100% and it was on purpose. Alessi is the dirtiest rider on the circuit, and has made yet another enemy. My friends and I booed so loud every time that little punk came around, as did ALL of the people around us. It's ok though cus he got smoked yet again (on his home track) GO AWAY ALESSI
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Team Euro 5/31/2010 9:43am
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800 finished ahead of Townley, isn`t that the point. WaWa is for babies and forum ignorites
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RACEGUY 5/31/2010 9:50am
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Once again, this thread has wandered off, (obviously like some of the minds in here).

Read the question again, s-l-o-w-l-y, and say it out loud if you have to. This wasn't supposed to be about who did what in that now infamous turn. The question that was posed and has been forgotten in all this bullshit is -

"Why is M800 lying?"

Get back on track, fer shitsakes.
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troublebros 5/31/2010 9:50am
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@ 12 secs into the video, Mike looks over and shuts the door hard.
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WhipMeister 5/31/2010 9:52am
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jmar wrote:
This is going to be the nut job thread of the day.
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bullpen58 5/31/2010 9:53am
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jmar wrote:
This is going to be the nut job thread of the day.
NJTOD? haha. I like that acronym.
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Team Euro 5/31/2010 9:53am
5/31/2010 9:53am
He`s lying because RV and Stewart are the fastest riders and would have won
jakefortyeight 5/31/2010 9:54am
5/31/2010 9:54am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:15pm
My point still and is - why is Alessi lying? What does it say about his character? Hasn't the kid learned anything?


Wether he did it on purpose or not can be argued to death, but even with eye witness accounts and video of the incident, Alessi is saying it didn't happen and the best excuse the people have trying to defend him is he didn't know it happened? If he truly didn't know he made contact with BT, what does that say about his riding?


That dogged desire to hang on to fiction and make excuses is right there why you Alessi fans will once again be dissapointed when Alessi falls short of the mark. You just can't oat up and face reality....
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RACEGUY 5/31/2010 9:55am
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Team Euro wrote:
He`s lying because RV and Stewart are the fastest riders and would have won
Oh...gotcha.Wink
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Team Euro 5/31/2010 9:59am
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Team Euro wrote:
He`s lying because RV and Stewart are the fastest riders and would have won
RACEGUY wrote:
Oh...gotcha.Wink
Ok then, I rest my case......Silly . See that was easy , let`s start another serious discussion

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