3 years ago…today…

Someone is beyond obsessed.

You can't make this shit up.

Aint nobody got time for that !!

Right? Imagine having the audacity to be pissed off about one of the most monumental fuck ups in US military history that needlessly cost the lives of 13* Americans...

*Edited to fix typo.

You're assuming an awful lot.

Makes you look foolish.

Do you really believe he doesn’t care? I’m not debating the strategy and what happened.  Just whether or not you really believe Joe Biden doesn’t care.  

Follow up question, do you think Trump cares more or less about those 12 soldiers? 

You are right! We are obsessed with NOT having FUCK UPS running the country and getting people killed for no good reason. But I guess people that are not me don't care about shit like that.

TM

I believe Joe made the call to get out.  I don’t believe it was his strategy that got us the result.  That said, he was the man who made the call.  So I get you.  

I don’t see how you could possibly think President Trump gives one iota.  He slept on the decision for four years, and nothing about the man shows me he gives one shit about people in service.  Quite the opposite.

Seems like if someone had a good friend die in "said war" they would be a bit more passionate about people getting killed due to really bad decisions for political gain.

Typically it's little Joey who feels the need to immediately jump in and support Mr. Green, but you would be 2nd alternate.

Besides, it's past his bedtime.

For someone who secured 800B to a foreign country over the next years ,you would think he could keep a securiry detail in place until the mission was over. He was more worried about china getting their mining equipment into the country in time .

Fuck me!  Your prices are inflating a Dollar every half hour.  We need Trump to get this under control. 

Those 13 lives lost are definitely tragic. The only silver lining is that we haven’t lost any lives of our soldiers in Afghanistan since. So right now there’s been 13 US troops killed in AFG under Biden, which seems at least somewhat better than the 61 IS service members killed during the Trump administration. 

Of course we could have stayed and continued to average 15 US military killed there each year, I suppose. 

“More people died under Trump” is a monumentally stupid take. You’re better than that. 

More US military certainly did die in Afghanistan under Trump than Biden. At least so far but I suppose it’s possible that we somehow send a bunch of troops back in the next 5 months…..

It’s hard to know the total number of overall deaths in AFG by year, though. I’m sure that there are some pretty wide ranges of estimates but confirmation might be impossible. 

I’m glad that our military members aren’t dying there anymore, but the number of people killed after the pullout who aided the US mission is obviously disturbing to anyone with a degree of empathy. 

You really brought them all out of the woodwork on this one, TG.

And with the same tired old rhetoric, and links.

Amazing the bullshit narratives they cling to.

I figured they'd all be happy now that their, hope and joy, campaign is going full steam ahead.

But then again, maybe that's why they're so agitated every time you post, because it's quickly losing power.

What happened over there was one of the largest, most embarrassing military blunders in recent history.

She can't separate herself from that.  

Joey,  its not  full steam ahead, its full electric ahead. 

Our youngest daughter's (22) boyfriend spent 4 years in the Army in Afghanistan, including during the withdrawal. 

The many stories he has told me about what a shit show it became, the absolute failure of military leadership on so many levels, the absolute disregard for the military equipment left behind, and the absolute disregard for the thousands of Afghan citizens who were abandoned to be slaughtered by the Taliban for helping Americans. Even his unit had dozens of Afghan interpreter's and logistical support assistants- they were told there was going to be a plan to remove them with the unit. They later found out that was never the plan and they were left behind.  

And these stories were not some Fox news story, or some fake news right wing conspiracy. These stories were from a young man (22 when they pulled out) who witnessed it first hand. 

Even after they left, there was no plan for his unit. They were flown to another nearby Country, sat around at that AFB for almost 2 months doing nothing. Then flown to another AFB in Europe, sat around for another 6 weeks doing nothing. Then finally flown back to the US to finish out his deployment.  

We're still funneling money to the taliban.

And...

They've become one of the biggest arms dealers in the region, selling the equipment we left behind.

I do like what Trump said yesterday.

Resignations will be on his desk at noon on inauguration day.

Also cracked me up when he talked about sending one of the terrorist leaders, a reconnaissance photo of his house.

🤣😂🤣

It blows my mind that people are so in love with Joe and the democratic party they will defend this colossal logistics failure. A failure that changed the world. A failure that said we don't give a shit about anybody or anything, we'll just leave. They refuse to acknowledge that nobody is saying we should have stayed, they are saying that the process was run by amateurs that resulted in needless loss of life, and billions of military equipment that will undoubtedly be used against us and cause further loss of life. The airbase which we should have and could have kept control over is now run by China. None of these things have anything to do with how many people died prior in Obama's war in Afghanistan, which by the way is tragic too. I hate all war, and bringing up a different time where more people died does not justify or minimize the stupidity of what happened 3 years ago yesterday.

TM

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-responsible-afghanistan-withdraw-…

Retired Army Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster, a former national security adviser to ex-President Donald Trump, says Trump bears at least some of the blame for the botched U.S. military withdrawal from Afghanistan.

President Joe Biden has faced heavy criticism from Trump and other Republicans for the withdrawal. The last U.S. troops left Afghanistan at the end of August 2021, days after an ISIS-K suicide bombing at the Kabul airport killed 13 American service members and 170 Afghan civilians.

Trump attended a ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery on Monday to mark the third anniversary of the attack, blaming Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris for the attack on the same day. Biden and Harris marked the anniversary and praised the fallen soldiers in separate statements.

While the withdrawal was executed under Biden, it was the Trump administration that brokered a deal with the Taliban to leave the country in 2020. After the bulk of American forces left under Biden, the U.S.-backed Afghan government and military quickly fell at the hands of a Taliban attack.

McMaster, who was Trump's top national security adviser from February 2017 to April 2018, told CNN's Anderson Cooper during an interview on Monday night that his former boss was partly responsible for the debacle because he had decided to negotiate with the Taliban on terms of a withdrawal.

"Oh, yes," McMaster said after being asked by Cooper if Trump bears "part of the responsibility for what happened." McMaster then added, "The whole premise of talking to the Taliban before you leave Afghanistan...why the heck were we even doing that?"

"The Obama administration didn't negotiate with al-Qaeda and Iraq on the way out," he continued. "If we were gonna leave, why not just leave? What happened in these series of negotiations is we kind of threw the Afghans under the bus on the way out... then forced them to release 5,000 of some of the most heinous people on the earth."

In response to a request for clarification from Cooper, McMaster confirmed that he was referring to the Trump administration forcing the then-U.S.-backed Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban fighters as part of the withdrawal negotiations.

The Taliban have been in control of Afghanistan's theocratic government since the withdrawal, regularly drawing international condemnation for alleged human rights abuses that often target women and girls.

In attempting to lay all of the blame for the withdrawal's aftermath at the feet of Biden—and now often Harris, this year's Democratic presidential nominee—Republicans rarely mention Trump's role in negotiating the withdrawal plan.

While the withdrawal was taking place, the Republican National Committee scrubbed its website of content that previously praised the former president's "historic peace agreement with the Taliban."