Edited Date/Time
1/25/2012 1:32pm
With all these discussions of injuries (track design, power of 450, etc, etc), what about this one:
-a max 250cc displacement rule, period.
-ONE class, no more 250/450
-all the best guys race against each other
-4 heats of 10 laps each-top 4 go to the main
-1 LCQ-8 laps-top 4 go to main
-30 lap main.
Check it out. No more worrying about pointing out. No more east west. Pourcel, Canard, et al can race against RV, RD, JS in SX. The privateers can run a 2 stroke to save cash and be competitive. WHEN injuries occur, it doesn't decimate the class and the competitiveness. The tracks have to be built on a slightly more smaller scale so we hope guys will stay safer, and perhaps be punished less for a little whisky throttle unlike the severity of the same affliction on the 450.
Think of the battles that could have occurred over the past year with everyone on a 250 cc scoot. I think it would be epic and as it has been pointed out-its about the racing-not how many jumps there are in 51 seconds.
Plus we get more racing, the track doesn't get as chewed up, and each heat race alone would like a main event! The biggest bonus might be the return of a little braap action on the stadium floor.
Call me stupid, tell me to shut the fuck up, but this one might be the winner winner chicken dinner baby!
-a max 250cc displacement rule, period.
-ONE class, no more 250/450
-all the best guys race against each other
-4 heats of 10 laps each-top 4 go to the main
-1 LCQ-8 laps-top 4 go to main
-30 lap main.
Check it out. No more worrying about pointing out. No more east west. Pourcel, Canard, et al can race against RV, RD, JS in SX. The privateers can run a 2 stroke to save cash and be competitive. WHEN injuries occur, it doesn't decimate the class and the competitiveness. The tracks have to be built on a slightly more smaller scale so we hope guys will stay safer, and perhaps be punished less for a little whisky throttle unlike the severity of the same affliction on the 450.
Think of the battles that could have occurred over the past year with everyone on a 250 cc scoot. I think it would be epic and as it has been pointed out-its about the racing-not how many jumps there are in 51 seconds.
Plus we get more racing, the track doesn't get as chewed up, and each heat race alone would like a main event! The biggest bonus might be the return of a little braap action on the stadium floor.
Call me stupid, tell me to shut the fuck up, but this one might be the winner winner chicken dinner baby!
Not to mention the manufactures are not going to allow the AMA and MX just get rid of the 450's. If they went to your plan, the lack of 450 sales would hurt the manufactures. That means less money, less support for Satelite teams, less money for Factory teams, etc......
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#1. Why would the manufacturers go for a series that "outlaws" their best selling dirt bikes?
#2. The younger riders aren't strong enough (mentally or physically) to compete in a whole series. Trey Canard mentioned this several times on the podium.
#3. It would eliminate a lot of privateers from making the night show...let alone the main.
#4. 2 strokes are a thing of the past. Kind of like dinosaurs and full floater suspension.
We are filling up the gates as they exist right now. As much as we all root for the privateers, that term has largely gone the way of the dinosaur at the pro level. 2 strokes haven't gone away, and if those remaining true privateers can be more competitive with much less money spent, isn't that a good thing?
See, now I feel better about you telling me to shut the fuck up after giving me a good reason!
Maybe you're special ed.
Just quit posting. You don't have a clue.
You explained it? I must have missed it while in my special ed class. WTF is with the attitude? All I'm doing is presenting a new format for SX after reading thread after thread of other suggestions, complaints, and issues. All I expect in return is a half assed intelligent response and if you can't supply that, don't respond in the thread.
And Huck, I do watch arenacross. So why can't sx entertain a few more on the gate while you bring that up? I also watch MotoGP, World Superbike, F1, and most other forms of racing b/c I love racing.
Ruin the sport we all love huh? You are about as sharp as the edge of town. Way to constructively contribute to the thread. So much for creating an intelligent dialogue around here. I don't mind being dissed for the suggestion, but offer an alternative or don't reply to the thread. I look forward to your first suggestion for a possible way to improve our sport.
You're right! Didn't think about the back end of this format, only the front end. At least someone offered up a constructive thought. Perhaps a consolation race of some kind at the back end? I just want to see all the top guys in the same class in SX b/c I think it would make for the best racing possible and I'm sure there is a format out there that could make it happen. We all complain that there isn't enough racing in the current format, and that is because we are told that the 450's tear up the track too much, etc, and whatever else we are being told. Pretty much everyone here has agreed to the fact that there isn't enough racing over the course of an evening of SX.
1)Your idea takes 20 guys out of a Main event and takes away half the people who have Factory rides. This makes 3/4 of the field Privateers riding "your 2 stroke" idea when 3 of the big 4 do not even produce 2 strokes anymore. (Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki)
Are you comprehending yet? We have not even addressed the fact that the Big 4 companies would not even allow this. The fans wouldn't go for it either. They come for entertainment. Now there 150.00 tickets only give them 1 Main event instead of 2. Bye Bye Supercross attendence.
Now please, stfu before you try and ruin SX even more!!
Your idea won't ever work in supercross, but I see how your just looking for some real answers instead of STFU or insulting responses.
Seriously don't waste your time fighting back with these guys, it's not worth it! Plus they live to put other people down and are waiting for your next response.
Thanks Chris. I was going to follow up with a another suggestion to the format to try to further provoke some discussion but you are right. Intelligent debate on this forum is obviously not possible for some and I refuse to follow the majority of the people in this thread into a sparring match of personal insults. It was simply a light hearted big picture thought about what can be done to improve/change the sport of SX.
At least your post gives me hope for a discussion with other rational and respectful people who dig motocross.
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No way! You need to keep the premier 350 class!!!! Oops i mean 450.... getting a few years ahead of myself...
Did you not read his last comment?
Bents wrote: "Call me stupid, tell me to shut the fuck up..."
In addition to what I said in "jest", I also gave specific reasons WHY his ideas wouldn't work. Maybe your time would be better spent by putting a lease on BobbyM....
Somehow, some way when ever there is an injury on the track everyone is quick to blame the track. Must be the Tracks fault! Explain slipping and falling in the bathroom? Is that the bathtubs fault? So even on level ground people blame everything but the cause.
How many riders negotiate the track successfully?
How many laps are done by those riders successfully?
One or two people go down while trying to push the limits of gravity, physics and good old traction and all of a sudden its the fault of anything but them?
What about races on flat ground? Tracks fault?
I have always said it like this and it would be good to remember it.
"As long as people have been making things to go hog wild on, people will."
I agree 100%. I'm just suggesting it is one factor of many. To me the most important concept here is trying to get all the best one one gate. It absolutely couldn't and shouldn't be done outdoors, but can be done indoors. I understand my proposal has a few holes in it, but there isn't one rational argument that cannot be overcome-in theory. Everyone is quick to shit on the idea without considering what "might be".
727 correctly pointed out that I didn't consider the amount of riders at the back end-those that don't qualify out of the heats. Having thought more about it, this could a workable solution:
Qualifying procedure:
fastest 80 into the night show.
4 heats of 20
top 5 move to main
6 thru 10 go to LCQ-top 5 to main
places 11-15 in each heat go to consolation final
places 16-20 are finished for the night
25 riders in the main-lcq qualifiers in back row for main
20 in consolation final
Out of 80 qualifiers, 65 get at least two races in (heat and main, main and lcq, heat and consolation, or heat, lcq, and main)
final race order:
4 heats
1 lcq
1consolation final
1 main.
right now we have:
4 heats in total
2 lcq
2 main
Everyone gets 2 races, but really, the lcq isn't much of a 2nd opportunity.
Well we all know what the end result was.
These guys crash and get hurt too....
Just because one guy doesn't like something dose not mean it needs to be changed. Ok, so the track is unsafe in one spot. What do you do? Slow down? The whole concept of racing is to have a track, safe, dangerous or not to stop or slow down the riders so talent can overcome the obstacles.
Dont lose sight of the overall goal here, the track is the same for everyone. Even if Chad Reed deems it safe or not.
My thoughts. Qualify 20 riders from timed qualifications the day before. Practice should be returned. The only time the gate drops for a race is the main. Motos should be an hour long or in that area. Not 15/20 laps. Allow endurance fuel and bike setup play more of a part. If that means the bike is breaking, that means the rider has to slow down.
Two motos Saturday night Two hours long with track maintenance in between. Additional elements could be done before the race for crowd value for the show.
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