Are We Taking This Volcano 2 Lightly?

Rupert X
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$200 million loss per day for airlines, countless ramifications - what are the worldwide

significant implications and effects/affects of this unpronounceable Icelandic mountain

and its unlikeable spewage ?


Hey, it's a BIG ^&*%$#^ DEAL.
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4/17/2010 10:40am
Kinda humbling huh?

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4/17/2010 11:18am
Maybe no USGP afterall.
Can you imagine international airfares once this blows over (no pun intended)
teams may not even be able to afford airfares even if that thing calms down by then.

and FYI, the last eruption of that thing lasted a year

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4/17/2010 11:43am
Rupert X wrote:
$200 million loss per day for airlines, countless ramifications - what are the worldwide significant implications and effects/affects of this unpronounceable Icelandic mountain and its unlikeable...


$200 million loss per day for airlines, countless ramifications - what are the worldwide

significant implications and effects/affects of this unpronounceable Icelandic mountain

and its unlikeable spewage ?


Hey, it's a BIG ^&*%$#^ DEAL.
yes...big deal it is and will be. if it keeps spewing we're fucked
4/17/2010 11:49am
This shit is serious!
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Zjbell may be able to answer this better, but seems to me if this does become prolonged, airlines will have to change their route from up north past Greenland and Iceland to more of off Spain down towards Brazil and the windward islands.
That would keep them with reasonable distance to land in the event of an emergency on board.
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4/17/2010 12:03pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2010 12:07pm
flarider wrote:
Zjbell may be able to answer this better, but seems to me if this does become prolonged, airlines will have to change their route from up...
Zjbell may be able to answer this better, but seems to me if this does become prolonged, airlines will have to change their route from up north past Greenland and Iceland to more of off Spain down towards Brazil and the windward islands.
That would keep them with reasonable distance to land in the event of an emergency on board.
It would be illegal for the big twin engine airplanes, they fly under rules called ETOPS..extended twin engine operations. Every airline and airplane type are certified to only fly so many minutes form a divert field. Even if these rules weren't in place some airlines configurations might not have the range for it.

But the tracks would have to be modified for this to work, there's no radar coverage so the method of separating aircraft is very primitive.
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4/17/2010 12:03pm
This volcano is definitive proof that Al Gore was right and is most likely the son of God herself. Therefore, we ALL need to stop killing poor Mother Earth by selling all of our motorcycles and cars and trucks and instead, buying Prius' and for crying out loud, we need to quit eating whale meat too! The Sea Shepherd Society was right too!!!!

So put down the chopsticks with the whale blubber, sell all your gas powered vehicles (including lawn mowers and leaf blowers), and turn off you home's heater / AC. It's for the good of the planet.

Well, those are the things everyone ELSE needs to do, but me? I'm gonna just keep on doing what I've always done (consume much more than I actually need, throw away stuff that's "too old", pour oil down the drain, pee in the pool, and crank up my AC!).
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4/17/2010 2:11pm
zjbell wrote:
It would be illegal for the big twin engine airplanes, they fly under rules called ETOPS..extended twin engine operations. Every airline and airplane type are certified...
It would be illegal for the big twin engine airplanes, they fly under rules called ETOPS..extended twin engine operations. Every airline and airplane type are certified to only fly so many minutes form a divert field. Even if these rules weren't in place some airlines configurations might not have the range for it.

But the tracks would have to be modified for this to work, there's no radar coverage so the method of separating aircraft is very primitive.
I understand ETOPS makes the rules on flight paths. My point was that if this volcano thing is extended, ETOPS may need to make new flight patterns.
Doesn't flights from Brazil to Europe already just go from the tip of Brazil to the tip of Spain? Isn't that the path of that AF flight that went down when the pitot tube froze up?
So seems to me, that could become a needed flight path if this volcano thing goes on too long. Can't just not fly to Europe forever
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4/17/2010 2:33pm
Don't really matter how lightly or seriously we take it, we can't do shit about it.
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JPT wrote:
Don't really matter how lightly or seriously we take it, we can't do shit about it.
Yes we can! We can all stop killing poor mother earth with our dirtbikes for one!
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4/17/2010 4:19pm
Bailout time !!!!
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4/17/2010 4:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:11pm
If you ever get to try one of these volcanos do it! Very serious.




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4/17/2010 4:33pm
JPT wrote:
Don't really matter how lightly or seriously we take it, we can't do shit about it.


You know how we have those plugs we put in the mufflers when we wash the bikes?

NASA could lower a MAMMOTH one and silence that silly orifice !


HEY !
4/17/2010 4:49pm
2012 gearing up!!
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JPT wrote:
Don't really matter how lightly or seriously we take it, we can't do shit about it.
Rupert X wrote:
You know how we have those plugs we put in the mufflers when we wash the bikes? NASA could lower a MAMMOTH one and silence that...


You know how we have those plugs we put in the mufflers when we wash the bikes?

NASA could lower a MAMMOTH one and silence that silly orifice !


HEY !
Yep, very few problems that can't be fixed by sticking a MAMMOTH one in an orifice. Quiet's them right down.


But what are we going to do about the volcano?
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4/17/2010 10:54pm
Rupert X wrote:
$200 million loss per day for airlines, countless ramifications - what are the worldwide significant implications and effects/affects of this unpronounceable Icelandic mountain and its unlikeable...


$200 million loss per day for airlines, countless ramifications - what are the worldwide

significant implications and effects/affects of this unpronounceable Icelandic mountain

and its unlikeable spewage ?


Hey, it's a BIG ^&*%$#^ DEAL.
Not much we can do about it Rupe, though it reminds me of how insignificant we are in the natural order of things.
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4/17/2010 11:29pm
ETOPS doesn't set the tracks. It's set by the FAA, JAA, NavCan and ICAO. They try and keep the North tracks ETOPS compliant so the lesser certified airplanes and airlines can make the trip. Controllers ensure separation by imputing data from the pilots and automatic reports from the airplanes themselves into a computer that *estimates* where every airplane is. Defiantly not an exact science.

Because of circle distance the trip to Spain, across the ocean to Brazil and North to the US would be extremely long. I'd doubt even the ultra long range aircraft could make it -fuel wise-- (requiring a tech stop and added expense winds aloft get nasty near the equator)..It's possible but I doubt we see airlines even attempting this, the costs would be enormous. You would have to create more tracks to accommodate the traffic, and I'm not sure you want Brazil ATC helping out.

As far as the ETOPS rules on the southern route? I know the A330 and 777 can make it, but I believe the 757 can't and the 767 is a case by case basis.

I was in on an email chain where a fixed base operator at a Southern California airport that normally rents it's extra ramp space to an airline located on the field for $400 per airplane/ per night starting tomorrow the fee will jump to $5,000/night because foreign carriers need the space. LAX can't handle it all. It seems like the solution now it to wait, I would think things would have to get much worse to start attempting 'the long way'...




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4/17/2010 11:35pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:12pm
I just looked in the planning software and a very rough estimate of a trip from LHR, to off the coast of Spain, down the Northern portion of the African coast and across to the East most point of Brazil and back to JFK would be about


7,700 miles.


Normal distance JFK to LHR would be about 3,600 miles.


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4/18/2010 5:12am
Yeah, that would be expensive
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Just saw on the news that there is no sign that the volcano is slowing down its eruption.
4/18/2010 5:57am
dougie wrote:
Just saw on the news that there is no sign that the volcano is slowing down its eruption.
not good,,, , i hope it stops soon,, or the following winter could be a long one.
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Been doing research and stuff for our upcoming cruise and ran across this in regards to Royal Caribbean and the volcano



It very clearly states that they take care of you if you booked both air and cruise through them and they do not take care of you if you booked cruise only. For cruise only, they suggest you just contact your travel insurance.

http://www.royalcaribbean.co.uk/cont...ortant_updates

The latest NATS statement has been released and advises that restrictions will remain in place in UK controlled airspace until 13.00 (UK time) Saturday 17th April, at the earliest. The next NATS update is expected at in the morning on April 17th.


Please note that all ships are operating as scheduled.


We are working in strict date order and guests who are scheduled to fly outbound with us today on a fly/cruise package will be contacted and offered the options below.
Our updated policy is as follows:


Inbound fly/cruise guests

Once the airports re-open, inbound fly/cruise guests flights will be rebooked by us and our airline partners. Guests will need to claim on their travel insurance for any additional costs (accommodation/refreshments)- as this is a true 'force majeure' situation.


Outbound fly/cruise guests

For outbound guests, our priority will be re-booking these guests (when the airports re-open) and we will be arranging to downline the guests, subject to availability. If we cannot provide a downline - then we will offer an alternative cruise. If the new cruise is cheaper, guests will receive a refund for the difference. If the new cruise is more expensive, guests will need to pay the difference. We will waiver our normal transfer fee of £75 pp.

If we cannot downline the guests or provide a suitable alternative fly/cruise, then we will offer the guests a full refund.As the airports are currently closed, guests should go home and keep checking the airline websites for further news.


Cruise only guests

Cruise only guests who have purchased a fly/cruise package that was provided by someone other than Royal Caribbean International, will need to contact their travel provider for advice regarding their flight schedule.

For cruise only guests, we will be adhering to our normal terms and conditions. Therefore regrettably, if guests have booked flights independently and are unable to travel, then we will charge our standard cancellation charges for their cruise element. Cruise only guests will need to make a claim on their travel insurance





So if you booked your own airfare, you're screwed and you lose your money



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Yeah, RCCL will not protect you unless you do airfare booking through them.

We went on a cruise that left out of SJU in 2008. When AAL was having all those issues regarding the inspections of wiring and cancelled a shitload of flights.

Once couple had booked with RCI and got a free ride to the 1st port, the others had to get there on their own.

I remember it being miracle we made it passriding, I felt a whole lot better when the wheels touch down in San Juan.
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4/18/2010 10:52am
F1 freight won't leave China for at least a week, they are saying.
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4/18/2010 2:28pm
CN is saying the Japanese MotoGP scheduled for next week is being postponed due to the uncertainty of air travel. This is getting serious.
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JPT wrote:
CN is saying the Japanese MotoGP scheduled for next week is being postponed due to the uncertainty of air travel. This is getting serious.
Yeah, and the crazy thing is that the bikes and equipment are already there at Motegi and waiting, as they went directly from Qatar, so now they gotta load it all back up and try to get it back to Europe for the Spanish GP at the end of April!

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