Paradox of the displacement rule

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Does anyone understand the logic behind the this? Why shouldn't a 250 go against a 250 regardless of engine type?

When the 450 was introduced riders were forced to ride them because they were suddenly at a huge disadvantage if they didn't.
But they can't run a 250 against a 250f because suddenly others would be at a huge disadvantage if they did.



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4/7/2010 12:33pm
This is not new.

The CMA rulebook in the late 70's early 80's allowed four-strokes a basic double-displacement advantage.

This argument is nothing new.
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Please see the last 135 threads on this subject. Tongue
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justmacd wrote:
Does anyone understand the logic behind the this? Why shouldn't a 250 go against a 250 regardless of engine type? When the 450 was introduced riders...
Does anyone understand the logic behind the this? Why shouldn't a 250 go against a 250 regardless of engine type?

When the 450 was introduced riders were forced to ride them because they were suddenly at a huge disadvantage if they didn't.
But they can't run a 250 against a 250f because suddenly others would be at a huge disadvantage if they did.



Your a crazy nut job.

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justmacd
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I'm not arguing anything. And I know its been an ongoing debate of 2s vs 4s and there's a ton of material swearing by one over the other.

I'm just trying to understand the contradiction of the rule.
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4/7/2010 1:08pm
Wait a second...you must be joking. That's not really the rule is it?

How is that fair? That's like saying you have to run solid rubber tires if you ride an orange bike....we need to look into this issue.
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4/7/2010 1:50pm
Todd Jendro said they blew it when they gave an 80% advantage to 4-poppers.



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4/7/2010 10:57pm Edited Date/Time 9/9/2010 10:48am
justmacd wrote:
Does anyone understand the logic behind the this? Why shouldn't a 250 go against a 250 regardless of engine type? When the 450 was introduced riders...
Does anyone understand the logic behind the this? Why shouldn't a 250 go against a 250 regardless of engine type?

When the 450 was introduced riders were forced to ride them because they were suddenly at a huge disadvantage if they didn't.
But they can't run a 250 against a 250f because suddenly others would be at a huge disadvantage if they did.



Basically the way it works is power over time. A 2 stroke has a power stroke every full rotation of the crank. A 4 stroke has one power stroke every other full crank rotation.

Generally speaking, up until around the year 2000, the average 500 cc 4 stroke off road dirt bike only revved to about 8-10,000 rpms, the average 250 2 stroke revved to about 7-8,000 rpms. So when yo do the simple math, you can see that the 2 stroke had a distinct power advantage over the 4 stroke as it makes twice as many power strokes over the same period of time as a 4 stroke. It wasn't until the hi revving short stroke 4 stroke engine design (basically 1 cylinder of an F1 engine) reached the ability to operate reliably and affordably at 12-14,000 rpms (twice the max rpm of a 2 stroke) that it became competitive and eventually out paced the 2 stroke. The smoother power delivery of the 4 stroke also makes them quite a bit easier to ride (non explosive power) and provides superior tractability ( hooks up) . I would imagine that there were many "super" 250 2 strokes built during the waning days of the 2 stroke advantage in PRO SX and MX that made way more HP than the 4 strokes they were competing against, but you can only put so much power to the ground in an efficient manner. Look at Cairoli on the KTM 350. He says it's easier to ride, because he doesn't have to focus so much on throttle control as on the 450. If you've had the opportunity to ride a late model injected 450 MX bike and a late model carbed version of the same bike, you'd swear the explosive power of the carbeurated bike would smoke the injected bike based on seat of the pants, but that ain't the case as we've witnessed. At least that's my opinion of it! Cool
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Someone has had too much coffee.

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