Has anyone ever tried soft foam on the outside ?

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jango 3/17/2010 5:12pm
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How about that d30 material? Why is not being used in mx gear including helmets? People this d30 material has the potential to eliminate a lot of injuries. The fact that it has been around awhile and it is not in your gear or wide use is weird. What I am saying is this is the greatest invention for extreme sports an it is being over-looked, ignored.
This material can be sewned into under garments. It has a lot applications and it is too awsome to ignore.

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worcsracer808 3/17/2010 5:19pm
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I sort of liked that magnet idea have a comfy foam magnetic inner liner and a hard outer shell with the same polairty magnets so it repels the liner and so you'd go down and your head would kind of float within the shell, idk kind of a cool though, not sure if it'd work at all lol
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All of this information is mind bottling.
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jango wrote:
How about that d30 material? Why is not being used in mx gear including helmets? People this d30 material has the potential to eliminate a lot...
How about that d30 material? Why is not being used in mx gear including helmets? People this d30 material has the potential to eliminate a lot of injuries. The fact that it has been around awhile and it is not in your gear or wide use is weird. What I am saying is this is the greatest invention for extreme sports an it is being over-looked, ignored.
This material can be sewned into under garments. It has a lot applications and it is too awsome to ignore.

youtube search=d30+material
You need a lot of D30 to be very efficient and it is heavy that's why it has not taken over the action sport industry but just been used in a few items like elbow and knee guards.

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Shenzi 3/17/2010 7:47pm
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I read recently about a movable "Skin" over the outer shell to reduce rotational torque on impact but it was developed for street bikes. Maybe this...
I read recently about a movable "Skin" over the outer shell to reduce rotational torque on impact but it was developed for street bikes. Maybe this technology coupled with a two stage foam with the inner most foam just under the liner being the less dense layer of the two. That way it could be repaced by the user after a heavy crash...


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I was visiting our r&d in Italy when that "skin" came out and Lazer was actually planning to launch a helmet, I asked about their opinion. They said that the concept wasn't a bad idea, that we had been approached by the inventors, but that in practicality it was not a really feasible product, especially off-road. One of the negative side is that the "skin" would tear easily in off-road small crashes and the gel it has inside would leak right away. The 2nd downside is the lack of venting/breathability because vents are not possible on the "skinned" helmets.
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As one who watches a LOT of college football - I did notice - as did the powers-that-be - that it appeared that more college football...


As one who watches a LOT of college football - I did notice - as did the

powers-that-be - that it appeared that more college football helmets went

flying this season, without contents - than ever before....significance ?

Hell, I don't know.
not only college ball...... but in the NFL as well.....

if you've ever played, you'd know exactly why they are flying off on every other play now days.... if you haven't, it because the chin strap of choice lately offers greater chin protection, but slides off real easily.. much more easily than other brands/types that were popular in the past..... take a big hit, chin strap slides off, helmet goes flying....
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500guy wrote:
I was just thinking about the hits riders take to the helmet. to me it would make sense to have a layer of dense foam on...
I was just thinking about the hits riders take to the helmet.

to me it would make sense to have a layer of dense foam on the outside of the helmet to take the initial impact.

any thoughts ?
Water? Great idea... How about a helmet with a water filled liner inside?

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Racerx930 3/17/2010 10:11pm
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I raced an entire season of BMX back in the early 90's with one of the Foam BMX helmets and GUYB defintely described them correct.

I loved wearing the helmet because it was super light! However I did eventually end up breaking it in a crash.
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Dont know if its true or not but i was told that F1 drivers, NASCAR drivers, and Indy Car drivers helmets have a different foam which is extremely good but very expensive. I also heard that pro football players have different helmets then what you could buy off the shelf.

Like i said no clue if its true or not. Hell NASA needs to design some super foam.
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`ol Ger 3/18/2010 7:42am
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500guy wrote:
I was just thinking about the hits riders take to the helmet. to me it would make sense to have a layer of dense foam on...
I was just thinking about the hits riders take to the helmet.

to me it would make sense to have a layer of dense foam on the outside of the helmet to take the initial impact.

any thoughts ?
Open-cell foam does.

Closed cell foam doesn't..

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txmxer 3/18/2010 7:52am
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How about a gel liner inside the helmet?
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`ol Ger 3/18/2010 8:00am
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Not a bad idea, ala kneepads.



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And you could eat it after hard moto:
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88sdad 3/18/2010 8:03am
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txmxer wrote:
How about a gel liner inside the helmet?
I said water trying to be funny, but than started thinking what about a thick water, like a gel.
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raddad 3/18/2010 8:42am
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txmxer wrote:
How about a gel liner inside the helmet?
88sdad wrote:
I said water trying to be funny, but than started thinking what about a thick water, like a gel.
Actually i posted this idea several years ago but with one big difference, the thin replaceable gel/closed cell foam/rubber layer should be on the outside! I race and practice a lot and if i fall and hit my head, its the hard outer layer that rings my bell. Just hit your helmet with a bit of plastic or your hand while its on and you will see how much even that effects you. then put any soft medium over your helmet and hit it again while wearing it and you get almost no adverse effect to your head!!

It would have to be thin, slick and easy to replace. That new style closed cell rubbery foam would work well also if it was molded to fit over the shell. It could be colored and vented to help satisfy the demand for style.

500 guy is right IMO with the theory that the outer shell is what really causes most of the problem when you hit your head. If any of you ride and crash once in a while and hit your head you will most likely agree that the hard shell transfers a lot of the impact to your head and the inner linings do little to stop the types of injuries that we see riders like Broc Hepler getting. You need the inner layers and hard shell to help with catastrophic injuries but the conclusions we all get from time to time are just as important to address.
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whyZ 3/18/2010 11:11am
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Modifying equipment to enhance saftey should be first and foremost with any developmental idea. Being in the elastomeric industry I've seen, converted or fabricated almost every closed cell, microcellular sponge rubber product there is.

In my opinion any modification would have to be done internally. There is not a material that I know of that could provide adequate impact or abrasion resistance, particularly in a thickness to be beneficial or ecomonicaly prudent. The deterioration initiated by U.V rays alone would jeopardise the majority of materials.

I think the combination of what is currently being used and inflatable air bladders is what would work best. Reusable, light weight, and custom form fitting.

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I have been saying this for years. I think it's great that the helmets protect against major head injuries-well not always, but there needs to be more done. We all know when you land on your head it fucking hurts-even if you don't go unconscious or get a concussion. Most time though there is some low grade concussion.

There still needs to be the current protection but something like airbags, etc. throughout helmet as well to absorb impact better.
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Phlapjax 3/18/2010 1:43pm
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Anyone remember the saturday night live with Gary Busey and his helmet protector, protector, protector, protector, protector? It was shown in the late 80's.

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