Anyone got any photo question?

11/22/2007 8:21pm
Very cool of you Paul!

One question... traditional style photos or photochopped? I know a lot of other photographers recognize the 'as shot' look but I think the general population like the bright colors, and contrast. Whats your take?
11/23/2007 6:45am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
[quote="dirtcyclewill":14gqsg5w]Very cool of you Paul!

One question... traditional style photos or photochopped?[/quote:14gqsg5w]

You're very welcome, I had a feeling this would be a good thread since I've helped a few amateur photographers set up their cameras at the races and they've some really good luck.

I set my camera up to have the brighest colors it will deliver and that's what my customers get, the photos go from my camera to the web with no adjustments, but I'm sure the art director or print production guy gives them a few tweaks before they show up in print.
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11/23/2007 7:07am
I have the Canon Rebel XT...
I mostly shoot with my 70-200 2.8.
I want to upgrade here shortly to a mark...
but this is what i got for now...
11/23/2007 8:24am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
Ok Squid,
Here's a few ideas.
First make sure that the white balance correction is turned off. Check page 59 of your manual or read one online
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/starbattery/rebelxt.pdf

Next try the cloudy white balance setting, I run that on my 1Ds Mark II almost all the time. That's on page 56

Now set up the parameters and I'd try Parameter 1, that's a preset that will give you nice bright vivid colors. You can set up a custom Parameter, just follow the directions on page 64.

Remember that the color of sunlight changes throughout the day, the early morning and late afternoon are warmer than what you'll get at noon.

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11/23/2007 9:57am
Paul u are a photo god!!! Im gunna go shoot tomorrow... just to try it out... shooting around my house they look so much better just from a lil trial and error of what u told me! thanks buddy! Cant wait to shoot with you at Hangtown! haha.
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11/23/2007 1:01pm
Hey Paul, don't mean to waste your time, but I have a new lens I can't figure out. It's a 500mm f/8 and eveything either comes out blurry, or too dark. I put it on the tripod and still not real good. So I need help with the settings. I did take some good pics with it once but I don't remember the settings, so I have a book now that I use to write settings down in, but nothing on this lens yet. HELP!!
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11/23/2007 1:27pm
Paul, what would be the ideal lens for arenacross? My 18-70mm Nikon lens jsut broke last week. So most of my pictures were taken with an 18-55mm or an 80-200mm f/2.8
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11/23/2007 2:47pm
Im not paul... but id guess ur 80-200?
Maybe? Idk... i just wanted to try before paul got to it. haha.
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11/23/2007 3:46pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
[quote="BARSmx":f3ct28e1]Paul, what would be the ideal lens for arenacross? My 18-70mm Nikon lens jsut broke last week. So most of my pictures were taken with an 18-55mm or an 80-200mm f/2.8[/quote:f3ct28e1]


I'll jump in! Depends on what type of shot you're looking for! At a small indoor race or practice, I'd choose the 18-55 since you can get very close to the ridrs, and can do some pretty unique and fun stuff with a short lens. Also, exhaust can be a bit of a struggle when you start getting into longer focal lengths in local racing. Now that I've said that, 80-200 2.8 is a killer moto lens, and enables you to get some great whip or corner shots that would be impossible with the smaller lens. If I'm just shooting for fun (i.e., no particular assignment) at a race, I'll take a short lens out for the first half, and then switch to longer glass for the second. In general though, my 100-300 (70-200 was stolen recently) is my first choice.

Also think about the quality of the glass. As a general rule, the better the glass, the better the final outcome.

Happy shooting.
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11/23/2007 3:46pm
Great thread Paul, and very kind of you to help everyone out!
11/23/2007 3:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
[quote="Trip":2dx5zpf1]Hey Paul, don't mean to waste your time, but I have a new lens I can't figure out. It's a 500mm f/8 and eveything either comes out blurry, or too dark. I put it on the tripod and still not real good. So I need help with the settings. I did take some good pics with it once but I don't remember the settings, so I have a book now that I use to write settings down in, but nothing on this lens yet. HELP!![/quote:2dx5zpf1]
An f8 lens is pretty slow (in photo terms) but it still should be able to produce a properly exposed photo. Try this on the next sunny day, manual mode, ISO 400, 500 shutter, f16, that should give you something close to a good exposure. If that's still dark there might be something wrong with your 500.
11/23/2007 3:58pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
[quote="BARSmx":10blhjc4]Paul, what would be the ideal lens for arenacross? My 18-70mm Nikon lens jsut broke last week. So most of my pictures were taken with an 18-55mm or an 80-200mm f/2.8[/quote:10blhjc4]
Your 80-200 is probably sharper than the 18-55 and might focus faster too so I think I'd go with Squid on that one although if it's a smokey building the little lens will let you get closer and you won't have to shoot through so much haze.
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11/23/2007 4:56pm
Nicely done, Paul.
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11/23/2007 8:52pm
So paul... i have to ask... what do u think was the sickest pic you took all summer??

I get asked this question too and its soo hard to choose because all the riders are easy to shoot and do some sick stuff...

I just thought id ask and see if you have one in particular?
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11/24/2007 6:44pm
Paul, Can you find out who the photographer was for the Reno arenacross amateur day on Sunday, Nov. 18, 2007? Even Live Nation can't tell me. Or maybe someone reading this post will know.... Thanks
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11/24/2007 7:00pm
Maybe somebody on my local message board will know... i will ask.
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11/26/2007 9:27am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
Lots of q's..Canon user.XT and 70-200 2.8L 430 flash.

Is this the best to expect from night shots with on camera flash?

[img:1p9ttfbf]http://motoximages.smugmug.com/photos/151878950-M.jpg[/img:1p9ttfbf]

Is there a trick to get shutter speed above the limit of 200 when using flash?

Tips to getting better focus on ONcoming and GOINGaway shots? This is a tad OOF.

[img:1p9ttfbf]http://motoximages.smugmug.com/photos/86713702-M-1.jpg[/img:1p9ttfbf]

Tips for bright sunny white skies days? This is pretty bad:

[img:1p9ttfbf]http://motoximages.smugmug.com/photos/108332535-M-5.jpg[/img:1p9ttfbf]

Experimenting with wide angle shots. Do you sell much of this type? Tips?

[img:1p9ttfbf]http://motoximages.smugmug.com/photos/172392153-M.jpg[/img:1p9ttfbf]

[img:1p9ttfbf]http://motoximages.smugmug.com/photos/197000004-M-1.jpg[/img:1p9ttfbf]

Whom to send photo's like these to besides the mags? And.. are these even good enough? If not, tips for improvement?
This looks a little cooked, but it's the bright sun shining on Hepler.
[img:1p9ttfbf]http://motoximages.smugmug.com/photos/191073372-M.jpg[/img:1p9ttfbf]

[img:1p9ttfbf]http://motoximages.smugmug.com/photos/191075079-M.jpg[/img:1p9ttfbf]

SX from the cheap seats:
[img:1p9ttfbf]http://motoximages.smugmug.com/photos/129349709-M.jpg[/img:1p9ttfbf]

[img:1p9ttfbf]http://motoximages.smugmug.com/photos/129334195-M.jpg[/img:1p9ttfbf]

Lastly... how do you get people to buy???????????? I shoot everyone at our local races and get lucky to sell to 8 or 10 different people. Thanks for your insight!!!
11/26/2007 11:42am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
[quote="jbomx363":1vchtk6b]Lots of q's..Canon user.XT and 70-200 2.8L 430 flash.

Is this the best to expect from night shots with on camera flash?[/quote:1vchtk6b]

That depends on what you're looking for, that exposure looks spot on from the flash, you can try a slower shutter speed to see a little bit more of the ambient light.

[quote="jbomx363":1vchtk6b]Is there a trick to get shutter speed above the limit of 200 when using flash?[/quote:1vchtk6b]

If your flash has hi speed synch you can try that. It allows you to shoot at all the shutter speeds with flash but the power is cut down quite a bit. Or try using a Pocket Wizard on your camera and off camera flash, sometimes the camera won't recognize the PW as a strobe and will let you choose a higher shutter speed but your entire frame make not be covered by the light from the flash.

[quote="jbomx363":1vchtk6b]"Tips to getting better focus on ONcoming and GOINGaway shots? This is a tad OOF.[/quote:1vchtk6b]

Make sure you're using AI Servo, keep an AF sensor on the rider, gently squeeze the shutter, don't mash it down, follow the rider for a second or two prior to the picture with the shutter button pressed halfway.

[quote="jbomx363":1vchtk6b]Tips for bright sunny white skies days? This is pretty bad:[/quote:1vchtk6b]

Those days are tough, I hate it when the sky disappears. Try under exposing the ambient light and using a flash or shot at an angle that keeps most of the sky out of the shot.

[quote="jbomx363":1vchtk6b]Experimenting with wide angle shots. Do you sell much of this type? Tips?[/quote:1vchtk6b]

I sell some of those but if I had to go to a race with one lens it would be my 300.

[quote="jbomx363":1vchtk6b]Whom to send photo's like these to besides the mags? And.. are these even good enough? If not, tips for improvement?[/quote:1vchtk6b]

Look at the photos, anyone who has a product or logo visible in the shot is a potential customer.

[quote="jbomx363":1vchtk6b]Lastly... how do you get people to buy???????????? I shoot everyone at our local races and get lucky to sell to 8 or 10 different people. Thanks for your insight!!![/quote:1vchtk6b]

At the local races you'll learn quickly who'll buy photos. The younger the rider, the more pics their parents will buy. Try to get the shots that a Moto Mom can't get with her Rebel and 100-300.
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11/26/2007 1:44pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
Anyone else Jones'ing to get out and shoot? <img class= " title="Laughing">
11/26/2007 6:04pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
[quote="FreshTopEnd":pqup85ad]Anyone else Jones'ing to get out and shoot? <img class= " title="Laughing">[/quote:pqup85ad]

Yeah me! I might go shoot a supercross at Mototown USA this Sat. How about you Mike, anything to shoot in the Sacremento area at this time of year?
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11/26/2007 6:39pm
No moto planned, but I could hunt some out. My wife is taking me to Yosemite, though, this Wednesday through Friday for a getaway for the two of us to celebrate my 50th. Not the best time for the valley, but it's always spectacular and I'm definitely bringing the rig.
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11/26/2007 8:17pm
What do u shoot with Paul? Im trying to convince my rents to get me a mark for a graduation present instead of a new bike...

Yea i might sound crazy... but i am. haha.
11/26/2007 8:39pm
2 Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II bodies
2 spare batteries
14mm 2.8 Sigma
15mm 2.8 fisheye Canon
28-70mm 2.8l Canon
70-200mm 2.8l Canon
300mm 2.8l Canon
1.4 extender Canon
2.0 extender Canon
a wallet full of compact flash cards
2 550 EX flashes
1 580 EX flash
2 Lumedyne battery packs
6 Quantum cords
2 Pocket Wizards
1 Sunpak 120j flash
1 Minolta flash meter
2 Manfroto tripods
2 lightstands
plus a ton of little accessories that would add up to a small fortune
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11/26/2007 8:51pm
a small fortune...sounds like a sotre to me! im trying to figure out how i can convince my rents to get me one mark... not all of that stuff... hahaha. Theyre gunna make me get a job... YAY! haha.
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11/27/2007 3:26am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
Paul,
I found another indoor tip, ask them to turn all the lights on :D ...here's a few of my results from the same place. (with lights)

[img:3rvkz5tg]http://www.barsracing.com/images/OMA1124/slides/DSC_1762.JPG[/img:3rvkz…]

[img:3rvkz5tg]http://www.barsracing.com/images/OMA1124/slides/DSC_1535.JPG[/img:3rvkz…]

[img:3rvkz5tg]http://www.barsracing.com/images/OMA1124/slides/DSC_1562.JPG[/img:3rvkz…]

w/ flash
[img:3rvkz5tg]http://www.barsracing.com/images/OMA1124/slides/DSC_1733.JPG[/img:3rvkz…]
11/27/2007 5:07am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
[quote="BARSmx":3sa5a4ar]Paul,
I found another indoor tip, ask them to turn all the lights on :D ...here's a few of my results from the same place. (with lights)

[img:3sa5a4ar]http://www.barsracing.com/images/OMA1124/slides/DSC_1762.JPG[/img:3sa5a…]

[img:3sa5a4ar]http://www.barsracing.com/images/OMA1124/slides/DSC_1535.JPG[/img:3sa5a…]

[img:3sa5a4ar]http://www.barsracing.com/images/OMA1124/slides/DSC_1562.JPG[/img:3sa5a…]

w/ flash
[img:3sa5a4ar]http://www.barsracing.com/images/OMA1124/slides/DSC_1733.JPG[/img:3sa5a…]

Now that's an idea! I bet the riders like the extra lights as much as you do.

Here's a good tip on how to balance weird indoor lighting with your flash, [url:3sa5a4ar]http://strobist.blogspot.com/2007/02/on-assignment-speedlighting-colleg…]
11/29/2007 4:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
Thank you so much Mr. B. After reading through all of your great tips here I was wondering if there would be anything I could do to this photo with Photoshop. The composition is just all wrong. I didn't remember "[i:33ivig7j]the rule of thirds[/i:33ivig7j]" so the subject is dead center. The background is cluttered. Perhaps a simple crop?
Huh, whadda ya think?
[img:33ivig7j]http://Stacyracing.com/temp/all/pb.jpg[/img:33ivig7j]

:mrgreen:
11/29/2007 8:11pm
Yeah, that rule of thirds rule would have helped and you could have warmed up the color in PS a little bit but other than the fact that I could have used a tooth pick right about then it's a pretty nice photo.

Pretty funny Barry.

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