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That is the exact problem.
the Senate, in good faith, hammered out a STARTING POINT to deal with our border problems.
Is it perfect? Probably not, but it was a starting point. Negotiate. Refine it. Make it better, and then let’s go from there.
NOPE. Dead on arrival.
House does not want to address it, because solving that takes away Pervy Trumps “wedge issue”.
The fealty to trump is embarrassing.
Dude, you are so far from the truth it isn't funny. The only thing people are angry about is our own government constantly sticking to us in the pooper and saying it was for the betterment. Look around, the only thing they have done is make things more difficult.
I would disagree with a number of statements being made here but the number one issue I see is calling the base white and old. Latinos and black voters are actually polling record numbers for Trump. Enough to the point that it is becoming very worrying for the Democrat party.
Yeah dude if we can’t even agree that the bill is clearly a step (or two or three or four) in the direction of stronger border security like Republicans claim to want, then we are too far apart to really continue this conversation. Not sure how you read the bill and not think it strengthens border security. Of course it’s not going to be exactly what MAGA wants. They’ll never get that unless they have the House, Presidency, and 60 Senators. Compromise. Work it out. Dead on arrival and refusing to even discuss it is mind boggling.
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Because it is a shit bill. This isn't rock science, you guys believe that you work together across the aisle blah blah blah. Both sides are corrupt, and on top of that. The bill will not fix or help a thing. It is more money spent when he can just sign an executive order to end it today. If you want to get serious and fix the problem then do just that. You are making talking points from every show and it shows ZERO depth of thought. How on earth do you not see this?
I think you're missing the point that on Bidens first day in office he eliminated Trump's border and immigration policy. This is literally a self inflicted wound that he and you are now trying to blame others for.
If you go to, and follow,
Occupy Democrats, you'll see almost word for word what these guys come in here and spew.
Constant denial of all things leftist, constant bashing of all things Trump, MAGA, and any republican politician who isn't a rino.
Or....
You can just spend 30 minutes a couple of times a day tuned in to msnbc.
It's all the same talking points over, and over, and...
If it can be ended with the snap of a finger and an executive order, why does MAGA want a huge wall to build that would cost millions? The executive orders need teeth. They need some legislation to back it more often than not. If you were a Republican legislator and you got this type of border security with Democrats controlling the White House and Senate, that’s a W all day long. Take it. Move a few steps toward your goal instead of saying nope not perfect not exactly what we want dead on arrival.
BECAUSE WALLS WORK. Hence why every Castle was built tall with a mote around it, why every point of interest has gates so on so forth. Again, your missing the entire point. They took these things away, build the wall, keep BP in place and allow them to do the job correctly. Don't label them as evil men who chase people down on horseback and whip them with ropes. All a complete joke to allow the border to open and people feel sympathetic. So again, you want to get serious? It is simple. Stop looking red vs blue and look at government vs the people. Because you are nothing but a fucking credit card for them to do what they want.
That bill was so bad the only thing to negotiate was whether to burn it with lighter fluid or alcohol. Which would burn it faster?
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Let's see, only after 5,000 per day coming in are they going to do something. But wait, if 4,000 of those are from a country that does not border the US they don't get counted. What the hell is that? They talking point is the immigration system is "broken", the only thing that's broken is they don't enforce it. You think that a country 200+ years old does not have laws on the books to keep people OUT that didn't ask to come in? You may not know this, remember something called the holocaust? Well there was a boat full of Jewish folks that made it to the US, you know, the same ones that were getting killed? Yes those Jews, and the US would not let them off the boat and come in. But we are now letting people come in and claim they have to come here because of "climate change"? How was this bill any good for us?
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It doesn't it is just a talking point by the Dems and people continue to lick it up and say it is a good thing. How is this a good thing? Anyone who runs/owns a business can sniff this out from anywhere. It doesn't make sense at all. Yet they say this is a good "start" to fucking what? Just end the shit. Bills are nothing but red tape and filled with fat to pay off lobbyists
As far as I can tell, the Democrat stance is:
"There is absolutely no emergency at the border, and the Republicans won't do anything to fix it"
Do I understand this correctly?
“Never Let a Serious Crisis Go to Waste” ~ Pelosi
I though that was Rahm Emanual quote.
Tell me why it was a good idea to stop construction that was already PAID for. I’ve seen on auctions where they are selling the steel for PENNIES on the dollar.
Biden stopped everything that was working
Exactly. Biden fucked the USA properly and it's going to take years to fix.
Are these immigrants allowed to vote?
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All I was asking is if it can be stopped at the snap of a finger with an executive order, why spend millions on a huge wall? Seems like a reasonable question doesn’t it? Furthermore, instead of even negotiating at all on the bill, they said nope. We aren’t even going to advance negotiations and it’s dead on arrival in the House. So, as I said before, now the aid to the other three countries is advancing on its own without border security. For a party who claims to deeply care about securing the border, it seems odd to not even take a few steps forward, even if it wasn’t exactly what they wanted.
We’ll see; but, what about that absolute pain in your ass that y’all are oddly forgetting about?
You know, The Constitution of The United States?
Your questions are intellectually dishonest. If Biden won't enforce with the tools he has, what makes you think he would do anything different with the passage of the bill. The "Bill" was not to give Biden more or better tools, it was to limit what Trump can do when he gets in office. If you can't see that, this conversation is worthless.
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That Paul, my god he is a good trader. All the while getting clobbered on the head and skating out of a DUI? This family is amazing 🤩
“when”
You sound pretty confident your guy is gonna win! All I’d ask is that if he loses you concede the election like a man. Which we all know he won’t do.
Like Hillary and all of mainstream media in 2016?
The same reason putting a no entry sign on the front of your house instead of a door won’t keep thieves out when you’re not there.
But only because Russia interfered, right?
Thanks for making that point.
It was a way for the Dems to codify 5,000 illegals a day and more bc non Mexican Hispanics aren't counted in that daily 5,000 number. Nor are unaccompanied minors.
Totally intended to hamstring future administrations who will have to fix the mess that Biden and Soros' money train have created. You know the Open Border Society guy.
BIDEN 2024
I have had a lengthy conversation with Egyptian president abdel fatah al-sisi concerning all the non American citizens streaming across the Canadian border and we are taking the proper steps to address it. The 5000 new irs agents added in the legislation we passed to address deflation will be checking tire pressure in all ice powered vehicles and entering it in a data base to confiscate said vehicles as we continue to fight climate change and create jobs, good union jobs, that will help control the price gouging of greedy big businesses. I feel like a kindred spirit with these suffering blue color workers from my time as a truck driver. I have a bunch of boxes next to my corvette. My father alway said, well, he said a lot of stuff. How can you argue with that. Trump is bad.
The sad part is I can't tell if that is an actual Biden quote or satire...I'd believe either way. Biden is an idiot...
He's way to old to be president...he's to old to drive a car...he's a pedophile, a liar, corrupt, and morally bankrupt...there is no way someone can look at Biden and his history and say he is morally superior to Trump, no way at all...so I'm basing my vote on policies...and as much as I hoped Trump wouldn't be on the general election ballot, its going to be him against Biden...and based on policy, its an easy decision for Trump. No question at all.
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