Is the sport better w/o CR and JS

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 11:57am
After thinking about it the last couple of weeks, I'm stuck on what to think. We all know James has elevated our sport with the talent he has as well as Reed, but is it really as far as the sport could have gone. The last couple of years it was always whether or not JS would lose it and before that if RC could continue his domination. For moto freaks like most of us, we really do appreciate it because we know the work they put in and can understand what they do on a bike is amazing.

My problem is that with CR and JS just dominating, new fans won't find it as something entertaining. The last few weeks show that. With the bar banging between the top riders and the fact none of them are mad and are ready for more just gets me more excited for the next week. My roomates for example have always watched a few races with me from time to time over the years but always thought it was boring like Nascar. They have been following now almost as much as me just because it is now so much more interesting. I now honestly think if we can just get a few more guys in the battle our sport will reach the next level.

One other question to think of is the outside sponsorship. Sure, JS has brought in some great sponsors but that is because he was the top. If we have multiple top people, that should bring in even more top sponsors since it really all is relative to who is the fastest.

This topic may be stupid but what do you all think. I remember DC saying in a Racerhead months ago that our sport needs JS whether you like it or not, but I'm now starting to have to disagree.
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You could say CR was covered due to how inconsistent he was on the bike. But after 1.5 races its to early to tell if those new guys really had anything for JS, and I'm a RV fan. Like in previous posts, I definitely feel RV had JS covered for outdoors but in SX I don't know.
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not matter who is in and who is out there is still only 1 or 2 winners!
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nahh..it's way better with Stewart in it

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Is the sport better? No.

Is the racing better? Yes.
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Zzzzzz. I always fall asleep during fishing shows.
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R-acer wrote:
nahh..it's way better with Stewart in it
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R-acer wrote:
nahh..it's way better with Stewart in it
Your mouth.
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GuyB wrote:
Is the sport better? No.

Is the racing better? Yes.
I concur.
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2/3/2010 11:14am Edited Date/Time 2/3/2010 11:15am
What race did you watch. RD was gapping RV until he threw it away and I wouldn't say RD had JS covered. I am a huge RD fan and not much of a JS fan but RD has only pulled up on JS once (while he was healthy). It takes alot more then that to have someone covered.
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Sparkey, that part of your lip that hurts right now? It's from you chomping down on Woody's big, fat lure. I suggest a hook removal tool.
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No hurt lip or hurt feelings. Just stating the facts Smile
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2/3/2010 11:33am Edited Date/Time 2/3/2010 11:34am
So am I. After a while here, you'll get better at recognizing fishing threads. It must be a slow day in non-moto, and woody has come over here to play. Smile
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GuyB wrote:
So am I. After a while here, you'll get better at recognizing fishing threads. It must be a slow day in non-moto, and woody has come...
So am I. After a while here, you'll get better at recognizing fishing threads. It must be a slow day in non-moto, and woody has come over here to play. Smile
What? Is Nacho sleeping-in?
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The broadcast was much more enjoyable without all the soap opera crap. They focused more on other riders, something they should do with or without JS and CR. This isn't fishing, this is an absolute fact that everyone of my real life moto friends agrees with.
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I really don't know what you mean by a fishing thread. I was just thinking about it when I was reading Josh Hill's interview on RacerX. He mentioned Bradshaw, Stanton, and all the others when they actually got to bump and race. The past 10 years or so we really haven't had a good amount of it up front. Sure, it's there in the pack but with JS and CR always running up front the good racing never made TV time which is a shame. I just really wanted to know if I'm the only one thinking this. I read the forums a lot but never really started a thread. If this topic was wrong I apologize.
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kxf176 wrote:
After thinking about it the last couple of weeks, I'm stuck on what to think. We all know James has elevated our sport with the talent...
After thinking about it the last couple of weeks, I'm stuck on what to think. We all know James has elevated our sport with the talent he has as well as Reed, but is it really as far as the sport could have gone. The last couple of years it was always whether or not JS would lose it and before that if RC could continue his domination. For moto freaks like most of us, we really do appreciate it because we know the work they put in and can understand what they do on a bike is amazing.

My problem is that with CR and JS just dominating, new fans won't find it as something entertaining. The last few weeks show that. With the bar banging between the top riders and the fact none of them are mad and are ready for more just gets me more excited for the next week. My roomates for example have always watched a few races with me from time to time over the years but always thought it was boring like Nascar. They have been following now almost as much as me just because it is now so much more interesting. I now honestly think if we can just get a few more guys in the battle our sport will reach the next level.

One other question to think of is the outside sponsorship. Sure, JS has brought in some great sponsors but that is because he was the top. If we have multiple top people, that should bring in even more top sponsors since it really all is relative to who is the fastest.

This topic may be stupid but what do you all think. I remember DC saying in a Racerhead months ago that our sport needs JS whether you like it or not, but I'm now starting to have to disagree.
no...never. why would it be?
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GuyB wrote:
Is the sport better? No.

Is the racing better? Yes.
bingo!
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Sparkey wrote:
No hurt lip or hurt feelings. Just stating the facts Smile
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The sport isn't better, but the racing is...for now.

If not for Hill, #2 vs, #5 could get boring as well.

It's way too early to say anyone has anyone covered in the top 3.
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As the old saying goes about opinions ect.. As much as I love this banter back and forth, I need to see if I've got a hit on my line on a different thread. Let's re-visit this after San Deigo and maybe even A3. As for now, I'm stick'n to my guns and stating that RD is going come out even stronger this weekend.
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Woody, throw a stopwatch on the video of when Dungey went down, and when Villopoto went by. I'm guessing it was somewhere around ten seconds. Then divide by ten (the number of laps remaining), and you'll get an idea of how much time per lap that RV would have had to make up.
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Pressure? What pressure? It was a mistake, that's it.
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2/3/2010 2:31pm
No, it's good to have as many fast guys as you can for many reason-..RC dominated for 10 years (give or take a season) and yet people not following the sport still show up for the local SX race. Our sport grew by leaps and bounds when JM was rewriting the SX record books.When the best in the world show up to race guys like me get to witness hisotry in the making if he gets the holeshot and a helluva comeback if he's down in the first turn- Enertainment at it's finest!
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No, because right now we could have 5 guys racing up front instead of the current 3 or last years 2 for 80% of the year. Having CR and JS is what drives guys like RD, RV, and JH. I
hope we have all five of those guys come Daytona.
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yer high...rd had em covered. and will continue to...
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2/3/2010 3:07pm Edited Date/Time 2/3/2010 3:08pm
This is my first post so be easy on me. I think the racing is alot better with more people up front. With that said I have to disagree with "Sure, it's there in the pack but with JS and CR always running up front the good racing never made TV time which is a shame." if you look back at the 2009 season when CR was running up front 'cause JS crashed the camera was always on JS. Also same thing when JS was up front.
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Uh, what?

RV was catching RD?

Rilly?

I guess I was at a different race.
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RV's laptimes were faster until he started playing with hill... fact.

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