anybody else kind of feel like we are one stupid decision away from WW3?

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pilotmech wrote:
I am 61 yo. I became self-aware at 27 yo. Meaning? I grew up and started paying attention. Meaning? Politics, economics etc. Then I discovered Rush...

I am 61 yo. I became self-aware at 27 yo. Meaning? I grew up and started paying attention. Meaning? Politics, economics etc. Then I discovered Rush Limbaugh......and my awareness became turbocharged.....and whatever you think of "right-wing" whatever, he was exactly right about Democrats. So was Joseph McCarthy.

Let's review: There is no doubt WW1 and WW2 were about stopping the takeover of then "super power" nations and insane leadership. Then, communism appeared. We(USA) have been fighting it ever since. USSR being replaced with China. The Vietnam War was about communism. Fact. Vietnam remains communist. Venezuela now. South America is full of this menace. Communism is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions by their own Govts. This is settled history.

Yet, with this truth in full, clear view-we have in our own gloriously free(relatively) country.....elements(growing alarmingly larger) begging for socialist/communist(these are the same eventually) Govts. 

There aren't continents separated by oceans anymore. We(USA) have a global interest in what happens and by who. 

The biggest problem we have is who makes those decisions. 

We have seen what far-left(any really) Democrat/communist/socialist/liberal leadership is like. Never more clear than Biden/Harris. 

The biggest existential threats are the Muslim religion/ Climate change religion/China/liberal(any really) Democrats. Not only to the planet but USA. 

That said.....Do I believe Biden would start a war to stay out of jail?..........you bet. Do I believe the Climate zealots would destroy the USA's way of life(freedom/prosperity) for their cause?.....you bet.

Are we one stupid decision away?

Absolutely. See above.

Paperclip wrote:
Bro, the biggest threat to the US is the US, themselves, your population. China, Muslims, climate agenda, on and on are not existential threats to the...

Bro, the biggest threat to the US is the US, themselves, your population. China, Muslims, climate agenda, on and on are not existential threats to the country. Your people, hedgemony and government are. 
The quest and bloodthirst for global dominance and control is what is now accelerating the unraveling of the west. 

I'm not your "Bro".

You need to read carefully. All of those "agendas" are sponsored by Democrats. 

And frankly.......you need to get a clue.

If you think China doesn't have it's designs on global dominance and control and aren't bloodthirsty......you are simply obtuse.

No? You bet. You are pro muslim, China and climate religion. You are a liberal/progressive whatever. Muslims will not stop until they rule the world. Ever taken an even cursory look at muslim fanaticism......Iran etc? Saudi Arabia? Come on man. It is bizarre when liberals look at a disaster caused directly by their beliefs and decisions and conclude it's someone else's fault. Rainbow and unicorn policies with unintended consequences and disastrous outcomes don't absolve the responsible.

Any cursory look at any City run by communist/socialist/liberal Democrats/Blue is an unmitigated disaster. Commie Chinese. The Venezuelan disaster.

Tell us more.

I will say you are correct in one aspect.....it is our population.....our (any)Democrat population.

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For communism to actually work, as stated in the communist manifesto, it must obtain global dominance. It is in the doctrine of it's basic philosophies. 

12/19/2023 9:06am
Spoonguy wrote:

For communism to actually work, as stated in the communist manifesto, it must obtain global dominance. It is in the doctrine of it's basic philosophies. 

Well thats alright then%5B1%5D

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ToolMaker wrote:

That's good because I'm not interested in going off on this tangent.

LoudLove wrote:
We were discussing the ‘68 election, which results were never in question. Just curious who the “he” was, unless it’s referencing a different election.    Fun...

We were discussing the ‘68 election, which results were never in question. Just curious who the “he” was, unless it’s referencing a different election. 
 

Fun fact:  Humphrey carried Texas in ‘68, as LBJ’s influence remained strong in his home state. 

ToolMaker wrote:

"(who had enough sense not to bury Nixon when he lost in ‘60). "

From your own post, a squirrel go by?

TM

Not sure where this need to make things confrontational comes from…

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12/19/2023 10:41am
LoudLove wrote:
We were discussing the ‘68 election, which results were never in question. Just curious who the “he” was, unless it’s referencing a different election.    Fun...

We were discussing the ‘68 election, which results were never in question. Just curious who the “he” was, unless it’s referencing a different election. 
 

Fun fact:  Humphrey carried Texas in ‘68, as LBJ’s influence remained strong in his home state. 

ToolMaker wrote:

"(who had enough sense not to bury Nixon when he lost in ‘60). "

From your own post, a squirrel go by?

TM

LoudLove wrote:

Not sure where this need to make things confrontational comes from…

Not confrontational at all. I was responding to your post, and you were confused. Should I be asking my wife if she's being confrontational when she asks me that? Wink

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12/19/2023 12:17pm
pilotmech wrote:
I am 61 yo. I became self-aware at 27 yo. Meaning? I grew up and started paying attention. Meaning? Politics, economics etc. Then I discovered Rush...

I am 61 yo. I became self-aware at 27 yo. Meaning? I grew up and started paying attention. Meaning? Politics, economics etc. Then I discovered Rush Limbaugh......and my awareness became turbocharged.....and whatever you think of "right-wing" whatever, he was exactly right about Democrats. So was Joseph McCarthy.

Let's review: There is no doubt WW1 and WW2 were about stopping the takeover of then "super power" nations and insane leadership. Then, communism appeared. We(USA) have been fighting it ever since. USSR being replaced with China. The Vietnam War was about communism. Fact. Vietnam remains communist. Venezuela now. South America is full of this menace. Communism is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions by their own Govts. This is settled history.

Yet, with this truth in full, clear view-we have in our own gloriously free(relatively) country.....elements(growing alarmingly larger) begging for socialist/communist(these are the same eventually) Govts. 

There aren't continents separated by oceans anymore. We(USA) have a global interest in what happens and by who. 

The biggest problem we have is who makes those decisions. 

We have seen what far-left(any really) Democrat/communist/socialist/liberal leadership is like. Never more clear than Biden/Harris. 

The biggest existential threats are the Muslim religion/ Climate change religion/China/liberal(any really) Democrats. Not only to the planet but USA. 

That said.....Do I believe Biden would start a war to stay out of jail?..........you bet. Do I believe the Climate zealots would destroy the USA's way of life(freedom/prosperity) for their cause?.....you bet.

Are we one stupid decision away?

Absolutely. See above.

Paperclip wrote:
Bro, the biggest threat to the US is the US, themselves, your population. China, Muslims, climate agenda, on and on are not existential threats to the...

Bro, the biggest threat to the US is the US, themselves, your population. China, Muslims, climate agenda, on and on are not existential threats to the country. Your people, hedgemony and government are. 
The quest and bloodthirst for global dominance and control is what is now accelerating the unraveling of the west. 

pilotmech wrote:
I'm not your "Bro". You need to read carefully. All of those "agendas" are sponsored by Democrats.  And frankly.......you need to get a clue. If you...

I'm not your "Bro".

You need to read carefully. All of those "agendas" are sponsored by Democrats. 

And frankly.......you need to get a clue.

If you think China doesn't have it's designs on global dominance and control and aren't bloodthirsty......you are simply obtuse.

No? You bet. You are pro muslim, China and climate religion. You are a liberal/progressive whatever. Muslims will not stop until they rule the world. Ever taken an even cursory look at muslim fanaticism......Iran etc? Saudi Arabia? Come on man. It is bizarre when liberals look at a disaster caused directly by their beliefs and decisions and conclude it's someone else's fault. Rainbow and unicorn policies with unintended consequences and disastrous outcomes don't absolve the responsible.

Any cursory look at any City run by communist/socialist/liberal Democrats/Blue is an unmitigated disaster. Commie Chinese. The Venezuelan disaster.

Tell us more.

I will say you are correct in one aspect.....it is our population.....our (any)Democrat population.

Hey Bro…you sound like a guy who’s never left his hometown, makes a lot of assumptions and spends too much time watching Fox. (No idea if that’s true, I’m just following your lead)
It’s stunning what a superficial understanding of these points you bring up. It’s almost admirable how you can have such a simple, black and white partisan take. 
It’s gotta make life easier for sure for you. 
I wish I could look at things like you do. 

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Paperclip wrote:
Bro, the biggest threat to the US is the US, themselves, your population. China, Muslims, climate agenda, on and on are not existential threats to the...

Bro, the biggest threat to the US is the US, themselves, your population. China, Muslims, climate agenda, on and on are not existential threats to the country. Your people, hedgemony and government are. 
The quest and bloodthirst for global dominance and control is what is now accelerating the unraveling of the west. 

pilotmech wrote:
I'm not your "Bro". You need to read carefully. All of those "agendas" are sponsored by Democrats.  And frankly.......you need to get a clue. If you...

I'm not your "Bro".

You need to read carefully. All of those "agendas" are sponsored by Democrats. 

And frankly.......you need to get a clue.

If you think China doesn't have it's designs on global dominance and control and aren't bloodthirsty......you are simply obtuse.

No? You bet. You are pro muslim, China and climate religion. You are a liberal/progressive whatever. Muslims will not stop until they rule the world. Ever taken an even cursory look at muslim fanaticism......Iran etc? Saudi Arabia? Come on man. It is bizarre when liberals look at a disaster caused directly by their beliefs and decisions and conclude it's someone else's fault. Rainbow and unicorn policies with unintended consequences and disastrous outcomes don't absolve the responsible.

Any cursory look at any City run by communist/socialist/liberal Democrats/Blue is an unmitigated disaster. Commie Chinese. The Venezuelan disaster.

Tell us more.

I will say you are correct in one aspect.....it is our population.....our (any)Democrat population.

Paperclip wrote:
Hey Bro…you sound like a guy who’s never left his hometown, makes a lot of assumptions and spends too much time watching Fox. (No idea if...

Hey Bro…you sound like a guy who’s never left his hometown, makes a lot of assumptions and spends too much time watching Fox. (No idea if that’s true, I’m just following your lead)
It’s stunning what a superficial understanding of these points you bring up. It’s almost admirable how you can have such a simple, black and white partisan take. 
It’s gotta make life easier for sure for you. 
I wish I could look at things like you do. 

That's your response to his remarks?  You said nothing and substantiated even less.      

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12/19/2023 1:24pm Edited Date/Time 12/19/2023 1:26pm
Paperclip wrote:
Bro, the biggest threat to the US is the US, themselves, your population. China, Muslims, climate agenda, on and on are not existential threats to the...

Bro, the biggest threat to the US is the US, themselves, your population. China, Muslims, climate agenda, on and on are not existential threats to the country. Your people, hedgemony and government are. 
The quest and bloodthirst for global dominance and control is what is now accelerating the unraveling of the west. 

Your ignorant viewpoint isn't even worth debating.

You're obviously so out of your league intellectually in everything I've seen you post in non moto.

 

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Laughable that over two months later, and countless attacks on our soldiers, bases, and shipping in the area, it takes over 14 of the biggest shipping companies to cease shipping operations in the region, for Loyd Austin to bring together a coalition, and operation to target the hundreds of daily drone attacks.

 

Proving once again, money talks.

Or the lack of the money that shipping co's will be taking with them.

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Paperclip wrote:
Hey Bro…you sound like a guy who’s never left his hometown, makes a lot of assumptions and spends too much time watching Fox. (No idea if...

Hey Bro…you sound like a guy who’s never left his hometown, makes a lot of assumptions and spends too much time watching Fox. (No idea if that’s true, I’m just following your lead)
It’s stunning what a superficial understanding of these points you bring up. It’s almost admirable how you can have such a simple, black and white partisan take. 
It’s gotta make life easier for sure for you. 
I wish I could look at things like you do. 

It's stunning how blindingly beholden you are to your masters......communist/socialist/liberal/Democrats/climate change..

Partisan take......lolololol......OMG! See, that's the problem-I'm partisan but.....you aren't?

Superficial....ok. I've never met anyone more superficial than a liberal. And you are one...guaranteed.

And assumptions? There is the Holocaust. Hundreds of millions killed by their own Govts(communist). China is completing it's Asian take over. Well then there are the Muslims.....God Almighty.

This is all settled history and any average person could and should understand it. Russia and China(teens-60's) and beyond.....were/are communist. They killed hundreds of millions of their own people for ideology.....your ideology. What really is stunning, your blithe attitude.

BTW, I'VE NEVER WATCHED FOX NEWS.

And this black and white.....well, eliminate communism and Democrats/liberals(by voting preferably) in the USA.......see?

I actually traveled coast to coast Hawaii to New York, D.C. to Key West, Canada, Caribbean and Mexico. I have a firm grasp of how things work. Europe/rest of the world, if any of the things broadcasted by the liberal press and my history books(yes, I'm very well educated) are true(of the world).....I'm pretty spot on. 

Superficial ok. Some truth there. The reason for a military is to kill people and break things(a famous quote). To maintain safety and prosperity of course....peace through strength.......it was once said. All abhorrent realities to a liberal.

BTW, your party is trying very hard to eliminate all freedoms in the USA. This includes your precious moto. No? Look around your rose colored glasses....

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I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping the peace, I think between 600,000 and 700,000 Americans died on Lincoln's watch. Many non-combatants in the south. The European powers have a long list of atrocities as well, Asian powers too. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping...

I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping the peace, I think between 600,000 and 700,000 Americans died on Lincoln's watch. Many non-combatants in the south. The European powers have a long list of atrocities as well, Asian powers too. 

What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said.

Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS THE CIVIL WAR. BTW, the South full of racist DEMOCRATS. Yes, to this day and who voted against the civil rights act. This is your party. Please.

And are you justifying such by thinly veiled " Everyone has atrocities but our parties are more righteous"? Really?

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Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping...

I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping the peace, I think between 600,000 and 700,000 Americans died on Lincoln's watch. Many non-combatants in the south. The European powers have a long list of atrocities as well, Asian powers too. 

pilotmech wrote:
What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said. Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS...

What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said.

Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS THE CIVIL WAR. BTW, the South full of racist DEMOCRATS. Yes, to this day and who voted against the civil rights act. This is your party. Please.

And are you justifying such by thinly veiled " Everyone has atrocities but our parties are more righteous"? Really?

My point I thought was obvious. Politics, parties, idealogues, have nothing to do with atrocities committed by governments. Man's inhumanity to other men has spanned the eons and is not bounded by viewpoint, anyone or any group wielding absolute power is capable of genocidal tendencies. As far as my point about Lincoln, many atrocities were committed totally unrelated to the carrying out of warfare. Most historians agree Lincoln committed war crimes against the noncombatants of the South and basically ignored the constitution. I believe most historians would also agree there were at least as many racist attitudes amongst the northern population during the civil war, if not more, than the south. There are many, many falsehoods about the civil war, it is an event that epitomizes "winners make the history". As far as "your party", I am not an apostle of any one political party, I was taught choosing parties was for the intellectually lazy. I also believe the party system is a way for the powerful to keep us divided amongst ourselves and not let us realize the true villains of our civilization. 

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12/20/2023 6:53am
Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping...

I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping the peace, I think between 600,000 and 700,000 Americans died on Lincoln's watch. Many non-combatants in the south. The European powers have a long list of atrocities as well, Asian powers too. 

pilotmech wrote:
What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said. Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS...

What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said.

Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS THE CIVIL WAR. BTW, the South full of racist DEMOCRATS. Yes, to this day and who voted against the civil rights act. This is your party. Please.

And are you justifying such by thinly veiled " Everyone has atrocities but our parties are more righteous"? Really?

I'm pretty sure spoonguy leans right, you're fighting with people who have similar beliefs as you.

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12/20/2023 10:16am
Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping...

I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping the peace, I think between 600,000 and 700,000 Americans died on Lincoln's watch. Many non-combatants in the south. The European powers have a long list of atrocities as well, Asian powers too. 

pilotmech wrote:
What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said. Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS...

What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said.

Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS THE CIVIL WAR. BTW, the South full of racist DEMOCRATS. Yes, to this day and who voted against the civil rights act. This is your party. Please.

And are you justifying such by thinly veiled " Everyone has atrocities but our parties are more righteous"? Really?

Spoonguy wrote:
My point I thought was obvious. Politics, parties, idealogues, have nothing to do with atrocities committed by governments. Man's inhumanity to other men has spanned the...

My point I thought was obvious. Politics, parties, idealogues, have nothing to do with atrocities committed by governments. Man's inhumanity to other men has spanned the eons and is not bounded by viewpoint, anyone or any group wielding absolute power is capable of genocidal tendencies. As far as my point about Lincoln, many atrocities were committed totally unrelated to the carrying out of warfare. Most historians agree Lincoln committed war crimes against the noncombatants of the South and basically ignored the constitution. I believe most historians would also agree there were at least as many racist attitudes amongst the northern population during the civil war, if not more, than the south. There are many, many falsehoods about the civil war, it is an event that epitomizes "winners make the history". As far as "your party", I am not an apostle of any one political party, I was taught choosing parties was for the intellectually lazy. I also believe the party system is a way for the powerful to keep us divided amongst ourselves and not let us realize the true villains of our civilization. 

Politics and parties and ideologues have everything to do with atrocities. Your statement is unreal. The folks that commit atrocities certainly fall into groups that support them and their philosophy. Atrocities don't happen in a vacuum. Boys in girls bathrooms and genital mutilation is certainly sanctioned by whole groups of folks......parties...idealogues......politics. The communist takeover in colleges certainly has a certain political, party and idealogical genesis.

The "party" system is not to keep us divided but actually to concentrate. Say again? Yes, so that small fractured groups with even less numbers  do not rule. You don't seem to understand politics or even the human condition. 

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12/20/2023 10:18am
Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping...

I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping the peace, I think between 600,000 and 700,000 Americans died on Lincoln's watch. Many non-combatants in the south. The European powers have a long list of atrocities as well, Asian powers too. 

pilotmech wrote:
What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said. Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS...

What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said.

Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS THE CIVIL WAR. BTW, the South full of racist DEMOCRATS. Yes, to this day and who voted against the civil rights act. This is your party. Please.

And are you justifying such by thinly veiled " Everyone has atrocities but our parties are more righteous"? Really?

I'm pretty sure spoonguy leans right, you're fighting with people who have similar beliefs as you.

Maybe to the right of communism right between socialism. He sounds and acts like a liberal. He is.

He has never denied it. How can he? When the chips are down...he'll vote democrat. And when you do.....you vote for all of it. Like boys in girls bathrooms.

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12/20/2023 10:22am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2023 10:28am
pilotmech wrote:
What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said. Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS...

What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said.

Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS THE CIVIL WAR. BTW, the South full of racist DEMOCRATS. Yes, to this day and who voted against the civil rights act. This is your party. Please.

And are you justifying such by thinly veiled " Everyone has atrocities but our parties are more righteous"? Really?

During the time of the Civil War weren't the Democrats actually Republicans though?

Edit: Found this https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican…

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12/20/2023 10:32am
Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping...

I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping the peace, I think between 600,000 and 700,000 Americans died on Lincoln's watch. Many non-combatants in the south. The European powers have a long list of atrocities as well, Asian powers too. 

You're going to compare killing during a civil war to killing off your population when no war is happening?

Interesting

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pilotmech wrote:
What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said. Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS...

What's your point? Bizarre. All. All would be/are supported by the Democrats......Nazi's, communist any socialist country. And Africa....nuff said.

Lincoln(because he was Republican)? OMG. IT WAS THE CIVIL WAR. BTW, the South full of racist DEMOCRATS. Yes, to this day and who voted against the civil rights act. This is your party. Please.

And are you justifying such by thinly veiled " Everyone has atrocities but our parties are more righteous"? Really?

I'm pretty sure spoonguy leans right, you're fighting with people who have similar beliefs as you.

pilotmech wrote:
Maybe to the right of communism right between socialism. He sounds and acts like a liberal. He is. He has never denied it. How can he...

Maybe to the right of communism right between socialism. He sounds and acts like a liberal. He is.

He has never denied it. How can he? When the chips are down...he'll vote democrat. And when you do.....you vote for all of it. Like boys in girls bathrooms.

Speaking of people who can't understand the human condition, I voted for Trump twice. We'll have to agree to disagree on the whole political parties having everything to do with atrocities thing, I believe history proves it doesn't repeatedly.

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Ideally, I think most people are fiscal conservatives, and social liberals, with a huge dash of reality and pragmatism. Political parties be damned. I would fall in that group.

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Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping...

I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping the peace, I think between 600,000 and 700,000 Americans died on Lincoln's watch. Many non-combatants in the south. The European powers have a long list of atrocities as well, Asian powers too. 

ToolMaker wrote:

You're going to compare killing during a civil war to killing off your population when no war is happening?

Interesting

The north targeted innocent civilian populations in the south during the civil war. The north also blockaded the south leading to starvation amongst the southern states. Many of the people who suffered were the slaves that were targeted for saving or even family's who had family serving in the northern armies. The civilian refugee problem under the North's occupation is not often talked about, but current historians estimate hundreds of thousands of southerners were displaced by the advancing armies. Sherman's armies in particular slayed, pillaged, and raped their way through the south, though few union generals were innocent. Lincoln made it a matter of policy with the "Anaconda plan", ordered bombardment of civilian centers-such as Baltimore, and encouraged his generals to place southern communities captured under "collective responsibility" for southern troops actions. Often southern civilians were taken hostage as well. Southern towns like Randolph, Tennessee were burnt to the ground by these policies. In all historians believe 50,000-100,000 innocent southerners were slain by northern troops, not to mention rapes, mutilations, and property destruction. International attitudes viewed the actions as barbaric. Agreed not the extent of recent Chinese, Russian, or even historical Tamarlane, but not innocent.

 

12/20/2023 11:36am
Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping...

I think we can all agree that Russia and China governments do not have a patent on killing their own citizens in the name of keeping the peace, I think between 600,000 and 700,000 Americans died on Lincoln's watch. Many non-combatants in the south. The European powers have a long list of atrocities as well, Asian powers too. 

ToolMaker wrote:

You're going to compare killing during a civil war to killing off your population when no war is happening?

Interesting

Spoonguy wrote:
The north targeted innocent civilian populations in the south during the civil war. The north also blockaded the south leading to starvation amongst the southern states...

The north targeted innocent civilian populations in the south during the civil war. The north also blockaded the south leading to starvation amongst the southern states. Many of the people who suffered were the slaves that were targeted for saving or even family's who had family serving in the northern armies. The civilian refugee problem under the North's occupation is not often talked about, but current historians estimate hundreds of thousands of southerners were displaced by the advancing armies. Sherman's armies in particular slayed, pillaged, and raped their way through the south, though few union generals were innocent. Lincoln made it a matter of policy with the "Anaconda plan", ordered bombardment of civilian centers-such as Baltimore, and encouraged his generals to place southern communities captured under "collective responsibility" for southern troops actions. Often southern civilians were taken hostage as well. Southern towns like Randolph, Tennessee were burnt to the ground by these policies. In all historians believe 50,000-100,000 innocent southerners were slain by northern troops, not to mention rapes, mutilations, and property destruction. International attitudes viewed the actions as barbaric. Agreed not the extent of recent Chinese, Russian, or even historical Tamarlane, but not innocent.

 

I don't disagree that a lot of innocent people got murdered/tortured/raped... Back then war was different, there was your group and the enemy. If they were behind enemy lines, they were the enemy and got treated as such. We now have different rules for war.

I just thought the example was curious. You could have given other examples like lining up our troops to see what a nuclear bomb would do to them. That might be an example of killing our people without being at war against them.

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It always makes me wonder why people waste brain cells on things they have zero control over. Too much ide time? 

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ToolMaker wrote:

You're going to compare killing during a civil war to killing off your population when no war is happening?

Interesting

Spoonguy wrote:
The north targeted innocent civilian populations in the south during the civil war. The north also blockaded the south leading to starvation amongst the southern states...

The north targeted innocent civilian populations in the south during the civil war. The north also blockaded the south leading to starvation amongst the southern states. Many of the people who suffered were the slaves that were targeted for saving or even family's who had family serving in the northern armies. The civilian refugee problem under the North's occupation is not often talked about, but current historians estimate hundreds of thousands of southerners were displaced by the advancing armies. Sherman's armies in particular slayed, pillaged, and raped their way through the south, though few union generals were innocent. Lincoln made it a matter of policy with the "Anaconda plan", ordered bombardment of civilian centers-such as Baltimore, and encouraged his generals to place southern communities captured under "collective responsibility" for southern troops actions. Often southern civilians were taken hostage as well. Southern towns like Randolph, Tennessee were burnt to the ground by these policies. In all historians believe 50,000-100,000 innocent southerners were slain by northern troops, not to mention rapes, mutilations, and property destruction. International attitudes viewed the actions as barbaric. Agreed not the extent of recent Chinese, Russian, or even historical Tamarlane, but not innocent.

 

ToolMaker wrote:
I don't disagree that a lot of innocent people got murdered/tortured/raped... Back then war was different, there was your group and the enemy. If they were...

I don't disagree that a lot of innocent people got murdered/tortured/raped... Back then war was different, there was your group and the enemy. If they were behind enemy lines, they were the enemy and got treated as such. We now have different rules for war.

I just thought the example was curious. You could have given other examples like lining up our troops to see what a nuclear bomb would do to them. That might be an example of killing our people without being at war against them.

How about what our country did to the Phillipino people during our war with them? Inhumanity does not know political boundaries does it?

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Spoonguy wrote:
Ideally, I think most people are fiscal conservatives, and social liberals, with a huge dash of reality and pragmatism. Political parties be damned. I would fall...

Ideally, I think most people are fiscal conservatives, and social liberals, with a huge dash of reality and pragmatism. Political parties be damned. I would fall in that group.

You aren't a fiscal conservative. You might be fiscally responsible(with your own money). But if you are a social liberal you are more than ok with confiscating(by gun) everyone else's.....more than ok spending other people's money. You have to be. You voted for Trump because until the election he was liberal. Not even liberals could stand to vote for Hillary.

The social disasters currently devastating our inner-cities, Blacks, children(Johnny can't read......)all, all brought to you by the socially liberal(you). This is settled history. Granted never admitted by liberals or their liberal press lackey's. 

You can't have it both ways. You don't stand for anything.

It's hard to imagine any normal, basically logical person looking over the disaster of Blue cities/states, the gender disaster, murderous communism on and on......and saying/thinking......"this is good....yes, this is the way it should be."

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12/20/2023 7:44pm

Somebody is abnormally confrontational.

 

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Chicago mayor ~ Brandon Johnson. "It's Texas fault we have this border problem."Blink

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12/20/2023 11:16pm
Spoonguy wrote:

How about what our country did to the Phillipino people during our war with them? Inhumanity does not know political boundaries does it?

Oh Bouyee

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Chicago mayor ~ Brandon Johnson. "It's Texas fault we have this border problem."

Chicago mayor ~ Brandon Johnson. "It's Texas fault we have this border problem."Blink

He says from the safety of his office. 

I invite him to Eagle Pass, Texas for a few days, and see what his party has done.

3 days there = approximately 30,000 illegals. 

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12/21/2023 7:08am
Spoonguy wrote:
Ideally, I think most people are fiscal conservatives, and social liberals, with a huge dash of reality and pragmatism. Political parties be damned. I would fall...

Ideally, I think most people are fiscal conservatives, and social liberals, with a huge dash of reality and pragmatism. Political parties be damned. I would fall in that group.

pilotmech wrote:
You aren't a fiscal conservative. You might be fiscally responsible(with your own money). But if you are a social liberal you are more than ok with...

You aren't a fiscal conservative. You might be fiscally responsible(with your own money). But if you are a social liberal you are more than ok with confiscating(by gun) everyone else's.....more than ok spending other people's money. You have to be. You voted for Trump because until the election he was liberal. Not even liberals could stand to vote for Hillary.

The social disasters currently devastating our inner-cities, Blacks, children(Johnny can't read......)all, all brought to you by the socially liberal(you). This is settled history. Granted never admitted by liberals or their liberal press lackey's. 

You can't have it both ways. You don't stand for anything.

It's hard to imagine any normal, basically logical person looking over the disaster of Blue cities/states, the gender disaster, murderous communism on and on......and saying/thinking......"this is good....yes, this is the way it should be."

did you just outright say blacks are in issue for inner cities?

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