ISDE 2023 Argentina

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The fastest sprint racers in the world are doing battle in Argentina this week.

Anybody else paying attention?

So far, to no surprise, Josep Garcia and Andrea Verona are topping the time charts.  Some solid rides for the US dudes to kick things off.

Lots of racing to go.

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Aussie women killing it.  Jess Gardiner going for her third individual outright victory and the 7th team trophy title for Australia.

Sad that we don’t have a men’s team this year.

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As usual the official results page isn't super user friendly....anyone know how to see the overall Team Standings?

I'm gonna guess that so far the US is dominating since all 4 of our guys are in the top 8 overall....

 

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Brandy Richards ends the day with a pretty good lead in the Women's category.  She did already lose one test to an Aussie so no "perfect season" this time.

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LungButter wrote:
As usual the official results page isn't super user friendly....anyone know how to see the overall Team Standings? I'm gonna guess that so far the US...

As usual the official results page isn't super user friendly....anyone know how to see the overall Team Standings?

I'm gonna guess that so far the US is dominating since all 4 of our guys are in the top 8 overall....

 

Screenshot 2023-11-06 at 10.30.03 AM.png?VersionId=7udLRrmGoTq

Go to the PDF results section, open up the latest stage and click on the teams result you’re interested in.

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Go to the PDF results section, open up the latest stage and click on the teams result you’re interested in.

Go to the PDF results section, open up the latest stage and click on the teams result you’re interested in.

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Thanks!

Just shy of a 2 minute lead for the US after Day 1.  Doesn't mean shit really, still 30+ tests and hundreds of miles of trails to cover....but a solid start for sure!

 

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11/6/2023 11:32am Edited Date/Time 11/6/2023 11:33am

West coast off-road boys kicking ass in west coast type conditions!!

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US Club Teams kicking ass as well.

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Glad we have a couple west coast guys on the team Johnny Girroir is probably the most on form guy on the team but these conditions certainly not his forte being a east coast GNCC/Sprint Enduro guy. The speed I saw this guy race a grass track sprint enduro stage after 2 hours of rain was absolutely mind blowing (and made me want to put my bike back in the truck). 

This guys videos are awesome for all the off-road stuff and he already has a video up as well. 

 

 

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Breaking news from FIM ISDE:

“It is with much regret that the FIM can confirm the tragic death of Albert Pos – rider #807 – from the Netherlands who was participating in the second day of the 2023 FIM International Six Day’s Enduro (ISDE) in San Juan – Argentina.

Albert was a member of the Selling/Blömer/Pos Club Team, competing in the Club Team Award category.

Albert was attended to by members of the event medical team, but despite their intervention they were unable to prevent his subsequent passing.

The FIM, the CAMOD (Confederacion Argentina de Motociclismo Deportivo) and the local organiser +eventos join the entire motorcycling community in extending their condolences to his family, friends and KNMV (Dutch Motorcycle Federation) at this extremely sad and difficult time.

A minute of silence will be observed at the start of the ISDE tomorrow in tribute and remembrance of Albert.”

Our condolences to the family, friends, and teammates of Albert, and to the Enduro community at large.

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Breaking news from FIM ISDE: “It is with much regret that the FIM can confirm the tragic death of Albert Pos – rider #807 – from...

Breaking news from FIM ISDE:

“It is with much regret that the FIM can confirm the tragic death of Albert Pos – rider #807 – from the Netherlands who was participating in the second day of the 2023 FIM International Six Day’s Enduro (ISDE) in San Juan – Argentina.

Albert was a member of the Selling/Blömer/Pos Club Team, competing in the Club Team Award category.

Albert was attended to by members of the event medical team, but despite their intervention they were unable to prevent his subsequent passing.

The FIM, the CAMOD (Confederacion Argentina de Motociclismo Deportivo) and the local organiser +eventos join the entire motorcycling community in extending their condolences to his family, friends and KNMV (Dutch Motorcycle Federation) at this extremely sad and difficult time.

A minute of silence will be observed at the start of the ISDE tomorrow in tribute and remembrance of Albert.”

Our condolences to the family, friends, and teammates of Albert, and to the Enduro community at large.

Damn, anybody know what happened?

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On the racing front.  Great day for the USA.  Day 2 they raced the same Special Tests as Day 1.

Trophy Team is up to a 5 minute lead with Dante creeping up on Garcia and Verona.  Verona is the new overall leader by 3 seconds....it's so wild how close these guys are on times!

US Women's Team is also in the lead by about 5 minutes after today.

US Junior Trophy Team is 2nd place.

Day 2 Breakdown from Enduro 21 here: https://enduro21.com/en/racing/latest/isde/2023-isde-results-5-minute-l…

Should be a new route and new Special Tests tomorrow.

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The conditions are very hot- my friend on the ground there reported 106F degrees during Day 1.

JCR crew making us proud in the club team categories.

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Damn, anybody know what happened?

At the moment, that is all the information that was released. 

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USA kicking ass so far!

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Looks like Josep's bike is blowing smoke. Few mechanical failures end of D2, which is not surprising given the temps, dust and long days.

USA tend to have stiffer suspension settings and I'm guessing that's probably helping them as it's only going to get rougher. Let's go, Junior team!

Noticed Andre Verona swapping forks at the work period. 

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11/8/2023 9:13am
LungButter wrote:

Damn, anybody know what happened?

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At the moment, that is all the information that was released. 

One of our Canadian Trophy riders mentioned after day 1 that on his second loop he started to feel light headed due to the 40c temps and the insane pace they had to ride in the transfer sections to stay on time.

It would not surprise me if Albert had heat stroke.

RIP Albert

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Looks like Josep's bike is blowing smoke. Few mechanical failures end of D2, which is not surprising given the temps, dust and long days. USA tend...

Looks like Josep's bike is blowing smoke. Few mechanical failures end of D2, which is not surprising given the temps, dust and long days.

USA tend to have stiffer suspension settings and I'm guessing that's probably helping them as it's only going to get rougher. Let's go, Junior team!

Noticed Andre Verona swapping forks at the work period. 

When I raced the ISDE I thought they paint marked my forks, but that was a long time ago, so I could be wrong or they have changed the rules.

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YZed250 wrote:
Looks like Josep's bike is blowing smoke. Few mechanical failures end of D2, which is not surprising given the temps, dust and long days. USA tend...

Looks like Josep's bike is blowing smoke. Few mechanical failures end of D2, which is not surprising given the temps, dust and long days.

USA tend to have stiffer suspension settings and I'm guessing that's probably helping them as it's only going to get rougher. Let's go, Junior team!

Noticed Andre Verona swapping forks at the work period. 

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When I raced the ISDE I thought they paint marked my forks, but that was a long time ago, so I could be wrong or they...

When I raced the ISDE I thought they paint marked my forks, but that was a long time ago, so I could be wrong or they have changed the rules.

Can anyone more familiar with the rules enlighten me? I believe they have 15 minutes before and after each day to work on bikes correct? Obviously that time is more geared for oil changes/air filters/tire changes etc. so not like youd have time anyways but the engine I assume are sealed right?

Bike management is certainly an aspect to consider saw a clip of Josep on the rev limiter over a pretty long jump, not saying the bikes aren't made for that but cant help if its already struggling.  

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11/8/2023 9:31am Edited Date/Time 11/8/2023 9:32am
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Can anyone more familiar with the rules enlighten me? I believe they have 15 minutes before and after each day to work on bikes correct? Obviously...

Can anyone more familiar with the rules enlighten me? I believe they have 15 minutes before and after each day to work on bikes correct? Obviously that time is more geared for oil changes/air filters/tire changes etc. so not like youd have time anyways but the engine I assume are sealed right?

Bike management is certainly an aspect to consider saw a clip of Josep on the rev limiter over a pretty long jump, not saying the bikes aren't made for that but cant help if its already struggling.  

You are correct, although it may only be 10 minutes to work on the bike in the morning.

You can't change wheels (hubs if you wanna get technical, I suppose you could lace a new wheel if you were a magician), engine cases, frame or silencer are the basics.  Everything else is open, but the rider has to do all the work themselves.

I could be wrong, but I've never known it to be a rule that you couldn't change your forks.

Is this a good spot for my yearly rant that they should ban the Rabaconda style tire changers?  At least for the Trophy Riders.  You used to have to really have your shit dialed in to get 2 fresh tires every day, nowadays it's so damn easy to change them that they are done in minutes.

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XC706 wrote:
One of our Canadian Trophy riders mentioned after day 1 that on his second loop he started to feel light headed due to the 40c temps...

One of our Canadian Trophy riders mentioned after day 1 that on his second loop he started to feel light headed due to the 40c temps and the insane pace they had to ride in the transfer sections to stay on time.

It would not surprise me if Albert had heat stroke.

RIP Albert

That's possible. The only other information I found was that he was 54 years old. 

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Can anyone more familiar with the rules enlighten me? I believe they have 15 minutes before and after each day to work on bikes correct? Obviously...

Can anyone more familiar with the rules enlighten me? I believe they have 15 minutes before and after each day to work on bikes correct? Obviously that time is more geared for oil changes/air filters/tire changes etc. so not like youd have time anyways but the engine I assume are sealed right?

Bike management is certainly an aspect to consider saw a clip of Josep on the rev limiter over a pretty long jump, not saying the bikes aren't made for that but cant help if its already struggling.  

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You are correct, although it may only be 10 minutes to work on the bike in the morning. You can't change wheels (hubs if you wanna...

You are correct, although it may only be 10 minutes to work on the bike in the morning.

You can't change wheels (hubs if you wanna get technical, I suppose you could lace a new wheel if you were a magician), engine cases, frame or silencer are the basics.  Everything else is open, but the rider has to do all the work themselves.

I could be wrong, but I've never known it to be a rule that you couldn't change your forks.

Is this a good spot for my yearly rant that they should ban the Rabaconda style tire changers?  At least for the Trophy Riders.  You used to have to really have your shit dialed in to get 2 fresh tires every day, nowadays it's so damn easy to change them that they are done in minutes.

Gotcha that makes sense. 

I think they are running those tire changers because everyone is on mousses these days, mousses are REALLY hard to do with levers and even still a bitch with those tire changers if your not doing correctly. 

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11/8/2023 9:37am Edited Date/Time 11/8/2023 9:38am
AMetts wrote:
Gotcha that makes sense.  I think they are running those tire changers because everyone is on mousses these days, mousses are REALLY hard to do with...

Gotcha that makes sense. 

I think they are running those tire changers because everyone is on mousses these days, mousses are REALLY hard to do with levers and even still a bitch with those tire changers if your not doing correctly. 

They've been on mousses for 20-30 years now at the ISDE.  They went a lot of years using old school tire boards, tire irons and vice grips to change them.  Rabaconda style changers are a new development and they have bascially taken the skill out of the tire changes at the end of the day.

Now get off my damn lawn! Tongue

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AMetts wrote:
Gotcha that makes sense.  I think they are running those tire changers because everyone is on mousses these days, mousses are REALLY hard to do with...

Gotcha that makes sense. 

I think they are running those tire changers because everyone is on mousses these days, mousses are REALLY hard to do with levers and even still a bitch with those tire changers if your not doing correctly. 

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They've been on mousses for 20-30 years now at the ISDE.  They went a lot of years using old school tire boards, tire irons and vice...

They've been on mousses for 20-30 years now at the ISDE.  They went a lot of years using old school tire boards, tire irons and vice grips to change them.  Rabaconda style changers are a new development and they have bascially taken the skill out of the tire changes at the end of the day.

Now get off my damn lawn! Tongue

haha, at the end of the day its nothing more than a glorified bead breaker. I will say if everything goes perfectly I'm happy to get a tubed tire changed out in 15 minutes with some spoons. 

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haha, at the end of the day its nothing more than a glorified bead breaker. I will say if everything goes perfectly I'm happy to get...

haha, at the end of the day its nothing more than a glorified bead breaker. I will say if everything goes perfectly I'm happy to get a tubed tire changed out in 15 minutes with some spoons. 

I've got a lot of experience changing mousses both the old school way and with the Rabaconda.  It is exponentially easier with the Rabaconda.

Used to be guys would practice for months before going to ISDE to make sure they could get it down, nowadays they can teach you to use a Rabaconda in about 10 minutes.

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AMetts wrote:
Can anyone more familiar with the rules enlighten me? I believe they have 15 minutes before and after each day to work on bikes correct? Obviously...

Can anyone more familiar with the rules enlighten me? I believe they have 15 minutes before and after each day to work on bikes correct? Obviously that time is more geared for oil changes/air filters/tire changes etc. so not like youd have time anyways but the engine I assume are sealed right?

Bike management is certainly an aspect to consider saw a clip of Josep on the rev limiter over a pretty long jump, not saying the bikes aren't made for that but cant help if its already struggling.  

10 mins in the morning and 15 mins in the afternoon.  On top of that there will be one or two controls during the day that are designated as work areas, where you can refuel, do repairs etc.  

Crew can pass tools and spares to the rider but can’t touch the bike except for a couple of basic things like wipe down plastics and check fluid levels (but not refill).  There are marked control parts like engine, silencer etc but I think suspension can be changed.

Top riders will change both tyres each afternoon (about 3 mins per tyre with mousses lubed and already fitted into the tyre), oil change and air filter.

Back in the two stroke days the really top guys would do a fresh top end on a 125 in the afternoon and tyres in the morning!

Bikes overnight in the Parc ferme and can’t be touched.  In the morning the bike has to be rolled out to your work area then rolled to first control for a cold start test.

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haha, at the end of the day its nothing more than a glorified bead breaker. I will say if everything goes perfectly I'm happy to get...

haha, at the end of the day its nothing more than a glorified bead breaker. I will say if everything goes perfectly I'm happy to get a tubed tire changed out in 15 minutes with some spoons. 

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I've got a lot of experience changing mousses both the old school way and with the Rabaconda.  It is exponentially easier with the Rabaconda. Used to...

I've got a lot of experience changing mousses both the old school way and with the Rabaconda.  It is exponentially easier with the Rabaconda.

Used to be guys would practice for months before going to ISDE to make sure they could get it down, nowadays they can teach you to use a Rabaconda in about 10 minutes.

Eh, it’s just a tool that makes the job easier.  I have one for changing mousses but I’m nowhere near fast enough (yet) to attempt it during an enduro.

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Eh, it’s just a tool that makes the job easier.  I have one for changing mousses but I’m nowhere near fast enough (yet) to attempt it...

Eh, it’s just a tool that makes the job easier.  I have one for changing mousses but I’m nowhere near fast enough (yet) to attempt it during an enduro.

Yep, I think it makes it too easy for the "ISDE spirit" that's all.  

They aren't going anywhere at this point though so my rant is nothing more than a....rant LOL

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Eh, it’s just a tool that makes the job easier.  I have one for changing mousses but I’m nowhere near fast enough (yet) to attempt it...

Eh, it’s just a tool that makes the job easier.  I have one for changing mousses but I’m nowhere near fast enough (yet) to attempt it during an enduro.

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Yep, I think it makes it too easy for the "ISDE spirit" that's all.   They aren't going anywhere at this point though so my rant is...

Yep, I think it makes it too easy for the "ISDE spirit" that's all.  

They aren't going anywhere at this point though so my rant is nothing more than a....rant LOL

Fair enough.

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Looks like Josep's bike is blowing smoke. Few mechanical failures end of D2, which is not surprising given the temps, dust and long days. USA tend...

Looks like Josep's bike is blowing smoke. Few mechanical failures end of D2, which is not surprising given the temps, dust and long days.

USA tend to have stiffer suspension settings and I'm guessing that's probably helping them as it's only going to get rougher. Let's go, Junior team!

Noticed Andre Verona swapping forks at the work period. 

XC706 wrote:
When I raced the ISDE I thought they paint marked my forks, but that was a long time ago, so I could be wrong or they...

When I raced the ISDE I thought they paint marked my forks, but that was a long time ago, so I could be wrong or they have changed the rules.

  Frame , wheels, silencer and engine cases...  can swap the forks as much as you like now.

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