Former NHL player killed on the ice

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10/31/2023 7:55am
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My guy I have played hockey for damn near 30 years. Travel, Rep, All Ontario Finals, Silver Stick, all of it. I’ve played with, and still...

My guy I have played hockey for damn near 30 years. Travel, Rep, All Ontario Finals, Silver Stick, all of it. I’ve played with, and still play with, OHL, AHL and former NHL players. I have played and can play every position on the ice including goalie, and play them all well.

i grew up on the ice, every single winter. 

 I’ve forgotten more about hockey and skating than you will ever know. 
 

 

Reminds me of something my friend used to say about trucking. "Ive got more miles going in reverse than you have going forward"

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10/31/2023 8:38am
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Maybe go back and read the breakdown and watch the videos, it’s not uncommon when you have an impact that rotates your body to have a...

Maybe go back and read the breakdown and watch the videos, it’s not uncommon when you have an impact that rotates your body to have a foot come up. Happens all the time. 

Maybe you just don't know how to skate, it's okay.

YOU and some others here belong on monkey island at the zoo. There you can fling your poo at each other while the rest of us...

YOU and some others here belong on monkey island at the zoo. There you can fling your poo at each other while the rest of us watch and laugh.

Cute.  I understand now why you and your two brain cells can't clearly see this is an intentional kick.  Your feet only come up that high when you get a clothes-lined (blindly) from someone skating in the opposite direction and levels you off your feet.  This is clearly an intentional kick to Adam, he already started cutting back and lifting his leg BEFORE the VERY minor contact made with a player skating the same direction. This kick was no accident.  He intended to take him down hard, but not kill him.  I seriously feel for you and bh84 if you guys can't see this as an intentional kick.

 

 

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10/31/2023 9:15am
Cute.  I understand now why you and your two brain cells can't clearly see this is an intentional kick.  Your feet only come up that high...

Cute.  I understand now why you and your two brain cells can't clearly see this is an intentional kick.  Your feet only come up that high when you get a clothes-lined (blindly) from someone skating in the opposite direction and levels you off your feet.  This is clearly an intentional kick to Adam, he already started cutting back and lifting his leg BEFORE the VERY minor contact made with a player skating the same direction. This kick was no accident.  He intended to take him down hard, but not kill him.  I seriously feel for you and bh84 if you guys can't see this as an intentional kick.

 

 

Again you show that you have less than zero knowledge of the game of hockey. 
 

Hockey is a contact sport, Petgrave did cut towards Johnson. He was going to lay a hit, which is a perfectly legal and acceptable part of hockey. He was clipped by Johnson’s teammate and lost his balance. End of story. 

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10/31/2023 9:17am
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Sean Avery and some other former pros are of the same opinion as BDB. Nobody thinks the result was intentional, but whether he intended to contact...

Sean Avery and some other former pros are of the same opinion as BDB. Nobody thinks the result was intentional, but whether he intended to contact Johnson with the kick seems very much up for debate. Terrible deal all around.

Sean Avery is well known in hockey circles, as well as media circles, as someone who purposely says controversial things just to get clicks. He was an ass on the ice and he’s an ass on the mic. His opinion isn’t worth a thing. 
 

 

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10/31/2023 9:21am Edited Date/Time 10/31/2023 9:22am
GrapeApe wrote:
Sean Avery and some other former pros are of the same opinion as BDB. Nobody thinks the result was intentional, but whether he intended to contact...

Sean Avery and some other former pros are of the same opinion as BDB. Nobody thinks the result was intentional, but whether he intended to contact Johnson with the kick seems very much up for debate. Terrible deal all around.

bh84 wrote:
Sean Avery is well known in hockey circles, as well as media circles, as someone who purposely says controversial things just to get clicks. He was...

Sean Avery is well known in hockey circles, as well as media circles, as someone who purposely says controversial things just to get clicks. He was an ass on the ice and he’s an ass on the mic. His opinion isn’t worth a thing. 
 

 

I'm aware of his rep, he had a short stint in Dallas. But who better to recognize a goon move than a former goon? I'm not saying he's right or you're right, but if your criteria for credibility is who has played the most hockey his opinion certainly counts.

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10/31/2023 9:27am
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I'm aware of his rep, he had a short stint in Dallas. But who better to recognize a goon move than a former goon? I'm not...

I'm aware of his rep, he had a short stint in Dallas. But who better to recognize a goon move than a former goon? I'm not saying he's right or you're right, but if your criteria for credibility is who has played the most hockey his opinion certainly counts.

It really doesn’t, I’ll re-iterate that he’s well known for putting out controversial clips for the sole purpose of getting clicks. 
 

Exactly zero serious hockey people value his opinion. At all. 

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10/31/2023 10:28am
GrapeApe wrote:
I'm aware of his rep, he had a short stint in Dallas. But who better to recognize a goon move than a former goon? I'm not...

I'm aware of his rep, he had a short stint in Dallas. But who better to recognize a goon move than a former goon? I'm not saying he's right or you're right, but if your criteria for credibility is who has played the most hockey his opinion certainly counts.

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It really doesn’t, I’ll re-iterate that he’s well known for putting out controversial clips for the sole purpose of getting clicks.    Exactly zero serious hockey...

It really doesn’t, I’ll re-iterate that he’s well known for putting out controversial clips for the sole purpose of getting clicks. 
 

Exactly zero serious hockey people value his opinion. At all. 

It’s great we have established that only you are right and only you have any cred to comment or make a statement. 
Everyone’s else’s take, opinion or analysis is incorrect. 
 

Got it. I was worried I might get confused for a second there. 
 

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10/31/2023 1:27pm
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I wear a neck guard when I play and made the kids wear them too.

We might all be disagreeing on what happened out there but I think we can all agree this is the smartest man here. Glad you're out there having fun with your kids Alph, and being a good example to boot. Play on.

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10/31/2023 6:28pm
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It’s great we have established that only you are right and only you have any cred to comment or make a statement.  Everyone’s else’s take, opinion...

It’s great we have established that only you are right and only you have any cred to comment or make a statement. 
Everyone’s else’s take, opinion or analysis is incorrect. 
 

Got it. I was worried I might get confused for a second there. 
 

Not at all what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that Sean Avery in particular has no credibility because of his track record of saying sensational, controversial shit for reactions and clicks. 

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10/31/2023 6:34pm Edited Date/Time 10/31/2023 6:38pm
 

Oh, look at that, a completely stationary Sean Avery gets knocked off balance and his foot comes up. Keep in mind that the collision that lead to Johnson’s death happened while both players were skating at near full speed. 
 

He then dives head first onto the ice like an idiot in one of, if not the most ridiculed flops in NHL history. 
 

This is really the guy y’all are holding up as the authority here? He was a disgrace to the game in the NHL and he still is now. 

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10/31/2023 7:02pm
bh84 wrote:
  Oh, look at that, a completely stationary Sean Avery gets knocked off balance and his foot comes up. Keep in mind that the collision that...
 

Oh, look at that, a completely stationary Sean Avery gets knocked off balance and his foot comes up. Keep in mind that the collision that lead to Johnson’s death happened while both players were skating at near full speed. 
 

He then dives head first onto the ice like an idiot in one of, if not the most ridiculed flops in NHL history. 
 

This is really the guy y’all are holding up as the authority here? He was a disgrace to the game in the NHL and he still is now. 

IMG 5290.jpeg?VersionId=MfoExPt6OPpGcDX.AcyZ2mGPUNHfhHe’s not the only one saying it looked intentional. 

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He’s not the only one saying it looked intentional. 

IMG 5290.jpeg?VersionId=MfoExPt6OPpGcDX.AcyZ2mGPUNHfhHe’s not the only one saying it looked intentional. 

At the very least he wasn’t a complete disgrace as a player. Having said that, I’ll take the opinion of Johnson’s teammate and friend who had a much better and closer view than some grainy replay over his. 

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I hesitate to chime in here, and this is just my opinion.. As someone who grew up playing hockey and still watches a fair bit, I don’t believe that kick to be an accident. Do I think he was trying to cut his throat? Absolutely not, but you don’t karate kick with your upper leg to regain balance when falling parallel to the ice. That was an attempt to make contact with two players instead of just one if you ask me. Just my 2 cents, doesn’t mean sh*t.. hope for peace and healing on both sides of this tragedy. 

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11/1/2023 8:19am
Bob693 wrote:
He’s not the only one saying it looked intentional. 

IMG 5290.jpeg?VersionId=MfoExPt6OPpGcDX.AcyZ2mGPUNHfhHe’s not the only one saying it looked intentional. 

bh84 wrote:
At the very least he wasn’t a complete disgrace as a player. Having said that, I’ll take the opinion of Johnson’s teammate and friend who had...

At the very least he wasn’t a complete disgrace as a player. Having said that, I’ll take the opinion of Johnson’s teammate and friend who had a much better and closer view than some grainy replay over his. 

So his teammate and friend is the highest authority ? Any chance he might be a wee bit biased ? 

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11/1/2023 10:03am
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So his teammate and friend is the highest authority ? Any chance he might be a wee bit biased ? 

If anything, he would have the most reason to be upset with Petgrave. This was Adam Johnson's teammate, not Petgrave's. 

Again, he also had a much better view than the grainy, zoomed out video we have. He was right there, closest person to it. 

 

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11/1/2023 10:22am
eddie wrote:

So his teammate and friend is the highest authority ? Any chance he might be a wee bit biased ? 

bh84 wrote:
If anything, he would have the most reason to be upset with Petgrave. This was Adam Johnson's teammate, not Petgrave's.  Again, he also had a much...

If anything, he would have the most reason to be upset with Petgrave. This was Adam Johnson's teammate, not Petgrave's. 

Again, he also had a much better view than the grainy, zoomed out video we have. He was right there, closest person to it. 

 

It amazes me some people can be soo clueless.  The video is as clear as day.  It was a very intentional karate chop kick like I said on page 1, just like Thierien is calling it an intentional kung fu kick above.  Thousands of others see it the same was, as it is.  There was zero reason for him to kick his leg like that. He did not get clothes-lined or hit from the front.  And if he did, the momentum would have stopped his momentum from rocketing into Johnson's throat and wouldn't have happened.  That kick was planned the second he started cutting back as he lifted his skate before he even brushed the player in front of him. It was a split second poor decision that ended Adam's life.  No one believes his intention was to kill, but unfortunately that's what happened.  

I thought you said you've played hockey.  If you did, you would know not all teammates like each other.  Continue on. 

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11/1/2023 11:15am Edited Date/Time 11/1/2023 11:16am
It amazes me some people can be soo clueless.  The video is as clear as day.  It was a very intentional karate chop kick like I...

It amazes me some people can be soo clueless.  The video is as clear as day.  It was a very intentional karate chop kick like I said on page 1, just like Thierien is calling it an intentional kung fu kick above.  Thousands of others see it the same was, as it is.  There was zero reason for him to kick his leg like that. He did not get clothes-lined or hit from the front.  And if he did, the momentum would have stopped his momentum from rocketing into Johnson's throat and wouldn't have happened.  That kick was planned the second he started cutting back as he lifted his skate before he even brushed the player in front of him. It was a split second poor decision that ended Adam's life.  No one believes his intention was to kill, but unfortunately that's what happened.  

I thought you said you've played hockey.  If you did, you would know not all teammates like each other.  Continue on. 

Did you read the article? It states quite clearly that Michaud was a friend of Johnson's. Quit making things up to support your manufactured argument. 

Also, as you can very clearly see from the poll at the bottom of the article, the vast majority of hockey fans disagree with you, about 8 out of 10 people. You're part of a vocal minority here. 

You're really going with the argument that, without any practice at all, Petgrave was able to pull off a perfectly aimed leaping kick to the throat of an opponent who had just changed direction unexpectedly while rolling off of unexpected contact from another opponent. Put Bruce fucking Lee on skates and he couldn't have pulled that off. 

This is a 31 year old player who has been playing in some of the highest levels hockey since 2009. What makes you think that in the twilight of his career, he's suddenly going to snap and try to kick someone in the throat?

I also find it very funny that everyone loved to bring up the fact that he lead his team in PIMs but NOBODY has mentioned that he lead his team in points last season as a defenceman, that put him 4th league wide for scoring from blueliners. He's not a goon, by EIHL standards, he's actually a star player. 

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11/14/2023 10:17am

It looked like an accident to me but who the fuck am I?

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Last game the Wheeling Nailers (ECHL) farm team to the Pitt Penns, most every player were wearing the neck protectors. I got mine thanks to a brand new pure hockey store that just opened in the area.

 

11/15/2023 2:22am
bh84 wrote:
  Oh, look at that, a completely stationary Sean Avery gets knocked off balance and his foot comes up. Keep in mind that the collision that...
 

Oh, look at that, a completely stationary Sean Avery gets knocked off balance and his foot comes up. Keep in mind that the collision that lead to Johnson’s death happened while both players were skating at near full speed. 
 

He then dives head first onto the ice like an idiot in one of, if not the most ridiculed flops in NHL history. 
 

This is really the guy y’all are holding up as the authority here? He was a disgrace to the game in the NHL and he still is now. 

Bob693 wrote:
He’s not the only one saying it looked intentional. 

IMG 5290.jpeg?VersionId=MfoExPt6OPpGcDX.AcyZ2mGPUNHfhHe’s not the only one saying it looked intentional. 

Well, news is reporting that a player is being charged with manslaughter. I'll find the article to post here.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/14/sport/adam-johnson-police-arrest-spt…

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