anybody else kind of feel like we are one stupid decision away from WW3?

10/18/2023 11:21pm

If it does kick off (which I don't think it will, a lot of hysteria in this thread) I am not going.

Not a chance in hell im being killed for Israel. 

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Whenever a thread deteriorates into everyone replying to a morally corrupt troll, like the pole stroker, then it's run its course and needs to be shitcanned.

Add to that, our usual non moto blowhard getting involved with his veiled accusations of racism, and it wasn't going anywhere but down the toilet.

 

I'm surprised that the other, U.S.tax payer funded euro-war, thread is still floating around, like a turd in a punch bowl.

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Any one thing by it's self we can deal with. But all of this going on at the same time. Drip, drip, drip, and before you know it, we're so deep we can't get out. It's a scary time we live in. You'd think at a minimum we could take care of our vets. How many vets would have homes with all the money we sent Ukraine? Not that we shouldn't get involved in helping to keep peace around the world but with better leadership we wouldn't have stuff like this starting. So you just have to ask yourself, why is this happening? The simple answer is, "they want it to"

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10/19/2023 4:21pm

Its a long standing and well known fact that the leadership doesnt change during wartime. Think about that.

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Back on topic...

One stupid decision from WW3?

Bro, preparations are happening now.

You are only hearing what they want the public to know. . . 

It's a scary thought..for my children's sake

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_oldblood wrote:

Its a long standing and well known fact that the leadership doesnt change during wartime. Think about that.

Tell that to Nixon

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So our illustrious, but rather senile, commander in chief doles out $100,000,000 of our money again in order to further conflicts outside of our porous borders  ???

 

Yeah, now there's a decision being made just asking for WW3.

 

Oh, I should omit the word, "rather".

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So our illustrious, but rather senile, commander in chief doles out $100,000,000 of our money again in order to further conflicts outside of our porous borders ...

So our illustrious, but rather senile, commander in chief doles out $100,000,000 of our money again in order to further conflicts outside of our porous borders  ???

 

Yeah, now there's a decision being made just asking for WW3.

 

Oh, I should omit the word, "rather".

Biden’s trip to Israel was a total disaster. 
 

And he thinks Hamas will do the right thing with the 100M he gave them. 

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The mentally incapacitated puppet/mouthpiece or our nation is why we're headed toward WWIII

 

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10/20/2023 11:32am

I asked my Army intelligence officer neighbor who is a year from retirement if WWIII had already started but nobody was saying it out loud.  

His response: It's not WWIII yet, but we could be watching Franz Ferdinand get assassinated. 

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I asked my Army intelligence officer neighbor who is a year from retirement if WWIII had already started but nobody was saying it out loud.   His...

I asked my Army intelligence officer neighbor who is a year from retirement if WWIII had already started but nobody was saying it out loud.  

His response: It's not WWIII yet, but we could be watching Franz Ferdinand get assassinated. 

Both world wars were campaigned by equally prepared opponents (or relatively close to it). A handful of Middle Eastern states + Russia would be annihilated in a full-scale war against a Western alliance.
 

Also, it’s not in China’s best interest to get involved, and the MidEast power brokers will not support Hezbolla or a wayward Iran.  There’s too much at stake economically for the big boys to get in a tussle, so these conflicts should remain regional.  Should…

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I asked my Army intelligence officer neighbor who is a year from retirement if WWIII had already started but nobody was saying it out loud.   His...

I asked my Army intelligence officer neighbor who is a year from retirement if WWIII had already started but nobody was saying it out loud.  

His response: It's not WWIII yet, but we could be watching Franz Ferdinand get assassinated. 

LoudLove wrote:
Both world wars were campaigned by equally prepared opponents (or relatively close to it). A handful of Middle Eastern states + Russia would be annihilated in...

Both world wars were campaigned by equally prepared opponents (or relatively close to it). A handful of Middle Eastern states + Russia would be annihilated in a full-scale war against a Western alliance.
 

Also, it’s not in China’s best interest to get involved, and the MidEast power brokers will not support Hezbolla or a wayward Iran.  There’s too much at stake economically for the big boys to get in a tussle, so these conflicts should remain regional.  Should…

I hope you're right.

I think Russia and China both realize they aren't in an economic position to survive without America...and so I don't think war will be waged against America until they feel they are in an economic position to do so. 

The scary thing is that China-especially-is doing everything they can to take over America's position as the world economic power...including trying to replace the dollar as the world currency.  (I know Brazil and a few other countries are on board with this...but I honestly can't fathom why anyone would want the world currency to be that of a country led by a dictator?)

So I think WWIII is a ways off still...but if America doesn't start aggressively trying to assert, and strengthen, its economic standing in the world...its going to continue to get closer and closer.  I think America's greatest thread isn't another military...it's another countries economic strength.

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I asked my Army intelligence officer neighbor who is a year from retirement if WWIII had already started but nobody was saying it out loud.   His...

I asked my Army intelligence officer neighbor who is a year from retirement if WWIII had already started but nobody was saying it out loud.  

His response: It's not WWIII yet, but we could be watching Franz Ferdinand get assassinated. 

LoudLove wrote:
Both world wars were campaigned by equally prepared opponents (or relatively close to it). A handful of Middle Eastern states + Russia would be annihilated in...

Both world wars were campaigned by equally prepared opponents (or relatively close to it). A handful of Middle Eastern states + Russia would be annihilated in a full-scale war against a Western alliance.
 

Also, it’s not in China’s best interest to get involved, and the MidEast power brokers will not support Hezbolla or a wayward Iran.  There’s too much at stake economically for the big boys to get in a tussle, so these conflicts should remain regional.  Should…

Titan1 wrote:
I hope you're right. I think Russia and China both realize they aren't in an economic position to survive without America...and so I don't think war...

I hope you're right.

I think Russia and China both realize they aren't in an economic position to survive without America...and so I don't think war will be waged against America until they feel they are in an economic position to do so. 

The scary thing is that China-especially-is doing everything they can to take over America's position as the world economic power...including trying to replace the dollar as the world currency.  (I know Brazil and a few other countries are on board with this...but I honestly can't fathom why anyone would want the world currency to be that of a country led by a dictator?)

So I think WWIII is a ways off still...but if America doesn't start aggressively trying to assert, and strengthen, its economic standing in the world...its going to continue to get closer and closer.  I think America's greatest thread isn't another military...it's another countries economic strength.

an interesting article on China.

China's Economy Is Going Bust. That Should Terrify US Businesses. (businessinsider.com)

The problem I can see is if we are distracted with an escalation in the middle east China would take advantage of it to get even more aggressive on Taiwan.

Considering we can't even seem to make enough artillery shells to supply Ukraine and our government has sold off a lot of our strategic oil reserves to manipulate gas prices I am not sure we are well positioned for a war of any kind.

We have gotten to the point where we import so much or our raw materials (steel, aluminum, rare earth material) that I am not sure how we would ramp up production.

To complicate things even more we are lead by a babbling idiot and a bunch of representatives that can't even elect a speaker in a branch that the hold a majority in.

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10/21/2023 9:54am
philG wrote:

Remember when we just had mean tweets. 

ah yes all rainbows and unicorns if Trump was still in

ya'll love that mean tweet line like that was the only thing

 

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10/21/2023 10:05am Edited Date/Time 10/21/2023 10:07am

Defense contractors pay hundreds of millions of dollars to both political parties, Lobbyists, and PAC's every year.

The war narrative is very profitable not only for the defense contractors, but also the politicians and the Washington political organizations.

It is the American citizen, and the soldiers that are forced to fight for someone else's profit, that all get screwed.

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TAUTOG wrote:

ah yes all rainbows and unicorns if Trump was still in

ya'll love that mean tweet line like that was the only thing

 

I'm not a Trump lover by any means but...can you tell me like 3 things that are going BETTER now that we have Sleepy Joe instead of Trump?

 

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AZ35 wrote:
Defense contractors pay hundreds of millions of dollars to both political parties, Lobbyists, and PAC's every year. The war narrative is very profitable not only for...

Defense contractors pay hundreds of millions of dollars to both political parties, Lobbyists, and PAC's every year.

The war narrative is very profitable not only for the defense contractors, but also the politicians and the Washington political organizations.

It is the American citizen, and the soldiers that are forced to fight for someone else's profit, that all get screwed.

Ike was right

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower%27s_farewell_address#:~:text….

Now we will be adding the expense of the "Climate change industrial complex" on top of that.

the new, new green deal will be how in the hell to print all that new money using just wind and solar.

 

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TAUTOG wrote:

ah yes all rainbows and unicorns if Trump was still in

ya'll love that mean tweet line like that was the only thing

 

LungButter wrote:
I'm not a Trump lover by any means but...can you tell me like 3 things that are going BETTER now that we have Sleepy Joe instead...

I'm not a Trump lover by any means but...can you tell me like 3 things that are going BETTER now that we have Sleepy Joe instead of Trump?

 

Joe chooses to unite rather than divide!

 

Psych

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10/24/2023 4:57am

They are saying Hamas is using some of our weapons now. 
 

 

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Gworm wrote:

They are saying Hamas is using some of our weapons now. 
 

 

US is far and away the worlds largest arms dealer and we are arming all sides. Now all the assholes in congress that approve and benefit from this pretend their shocked and they want to get to the bottom of it and call for accou tability.

Meanwhile they want bans and restrictions on hand guns and rifles of private citizens.

But when it comes to authorizing hundreds of billions in actual weapons of war and mass destruction to be shipped all over the planet they can't vote Ye fast enough in a massive show of bipartisanship. It makes me sick that I pay so much tax money to support this. 

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10/25/2023 1:22am Edited Date/Time 10/25/2023 1:25am

If the public perception is wanting war thats when they will go for it, if we fight for no wars it won't happen.

All of this shit is apart of 2030 net zero carbon footprint, they want to destroy the West, it's economy, literally "you'll own nothing and be happy" thats their goal, don't accept do not conform.

WW3 started on 3/11/20.
 

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US is far and away the worlds largest arms dealer and we are arming all sides. Now all the assholes in congress that approve and benefit...

US is far and away the worlds largest arms dealer and we are arming all sides. Now all the assholes in congress that approve and benefit from this pretend their shocked and they want to get to the bottom of it and call for accou tability.

Meanwhile they want bans and restrictions on hand guns and rifles of private citizens.

But when it comes to authorizing hundreds of billions in actual weapons of war and mass destruction to be shipped all over the planet they can't vote Ye fast enough in a massive show of bipartisanship. It makes me sick that I pay so much tax money to support this. 

Spot on.

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10/25/2023 6:18am

I think when people read about this in history books 50 years from now, they'll read that we were already in the early stages of WWIII. And they'll probably find that this had a lot of off ramps that our governments ignored.

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