"This isn't pressure, pressure was when my family couldn't eat"

2-slow MX wrote:

LOL at the goobers talking about the Lawerence boys showing world class potential as children and being "scouted" by European teams.  My God we I hear...

LOL at the goobers talking about the Lawerence boys showing world class potential as children and being "scouted" by European teams.  My God we I hear everyone bitching about parents selling the farm to go all in with little billy over here in the USA when he gets signed by the Orange Brigade on 65's.  But if they're from another country it's awesome!!!  They had such an amazing journey!  Do you know how many Australians (or any other country for that matter) come over here thinking they're the next Chad Reed?  They're dominating every race at home.  They come to the US thinking they're coming to win LL and don't even fucking qualify?  Literally every year tons of kids that everyone thought was the next big deal goes home very humbled.  And lets be honest, they were good riders for sure but it's not like they were just obliterating the competition back then.

My real problem though is not that they moved across the world to race dirt bikes.  Not a problem with that at all.  It's that some knucklehead dad did it and put the entire families financial well being on the shoulders of his children. As i said previously, as a father, you have 1 job.  Feed and shelter your family.  He literally put his 1 job on the shoulders of his kids.  And it's fine.  It's your family but stop fucking celebrating it every time their name is brought up...  Ask Villopoto how he felt about having his families financial lives be on his shoulders as a kid. 

2-slow MX wrote:

LOL at the goobers talking about the Lawerence boys showing world class potential as children and being "scouted" by European teams.  My God we I hear...

LOL at the goobers talking about the Lawerence boys showing world class potential as children and being "scouted" by European teams.  My God we I hear everyone bitching about parents selling the farm to go all in with little billy over here in the USA when he gets signed by the Orange Brigade on 65's.  But if they're from another country it's awesome!!!  They had such an amazing journey!  Do you know how many Australians (or any other country for that matter) come over here thinking they're the next Chad Reed?  They're dominating every race at home.  They come to the US thinking they're coming to win LL and don't even fucking qualify?  Literally every year tons of kids that everyone thought was the next big deal goes home very humbled.  And lets be honest, they were good riders for sure but it's not like they were just obliterating the competition back then.

My real problem though is not that they moved across the world to race dirt bikes.  Not a problem with that at all.  It's that some knucklehead dad did it and put the entire families financial well being on the shoulders of his children. As i said previously, as a father, you have 1 job.  Feed and shelter your family.  He literally put his 1 job on the shoulders of his kids.  And it's fine.  It's your family but stop fucking celebrating it every time their name is brought up...  Ask Villopoto how he felt about having his families financial lives be on his shoulders as a kid. 

Herr Lich wrote:

I would say Villopoto is fine with his family betting everything on his racing abilities.  He made an estimated $30million during his career (according to Weimer...

I would say Villopoto is fine with his family betting everything on his racing abilities.  He made an estimated $30million during his career (according to Weimer on Pulp).  RV also said he was making $6million a year during his 450 years (also in a Pulp interview). 

2-slow MX wrote:

Are you new to the sport?  Villo was very open about this stuff.  Sure he's come to terms with it later on in life.  Is he...

Are you new to the sport?  Villo was very open about this stuff.  Sure he's come to terms with it later on in life.  Is he happy where his life is now?  I'd imagine it's better than he ever dreamed.  But that doesn't negate how irresponsible it was of his parents to put the entire families financial lives on his shoulder while he was a kid. He's publicly discussed this.

Again, for every success story like the Lawerences and Villo there are hundreds of families completely torn apart due to this kind of decision.  People can do what they want but we should stop celebrating it.  Celebrate the dad that built a successful business, sends his daughter to private school, and takes little Johnny racing in the big RV without the kids having to eat ramen noodles.  That dudes the real winner.

2-slow MX wrote:

LOL at the goobers talking about the Lawerence boys showing world class potential as children and being "scouted" by European teams.  My God we I hear...

LOL at the goobers talking about the Lawerence boys showing world class potential as children and being "scouted" by European teams.  My God we I hear everyone bitching about parents selling the farm to go all in with little billy over here in the USA when he gets signed by the Orange Brigade on 65's.  But if they're from another country it's awesome!!!  They had such an amazing journey!  Do you know how many Australians (or any other country for that matter) come over here thinking they're the next Chad Reed?  They're dominating every race at home.  They come to the US thinking they're coming to win LL and don't even fucking qualify?  Literally every year tons of kids that everyone thought was the next big deal goes home very humbled.  And lets be honest, they were good riders for sure but it's not like they were just obliterating the competition back then.

My real problem though is not that they moved across the world to race dirt bikes.  Not a problem with that at all.  It's that some knucklehead dad did it and put the entire families financial well being on the shoulders of his children. As i said previously, as a father, you have 1 job.  Feed and shelter your family.  He literally put his 1 job on the shoulders of his kids.  And it's fine.  It's your family but stop fucking celebrating it every time their name is brought up...  Ask Villopoto how he felt about having his families financial lives be on his shoulders as a kid. 

CPR wrote:

You didn’t bother watching any of the interviews with the back story huh?

2-slow MX wrote:

I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over b/c i've heard the story 3000 times this year.  Certainly heard it on in the background but curious what...

I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over b/c i've heard the story 3000 times this year.  Certainly heard it on in the background but curious what part of it are you gathering that i missed?

Herr Lich wrote:

I would say Villopoto is fine with his family betting everything on his racing abilities.  He made an estimated $30million during his career (according to Weimer...

I would say Villopoto is fine with his family betting everything on his racing abilities.  He made an estimated $30million during his career (according to Weimer on Pulp).  RV also said he was making $6million a year during his 450 years (also in a Pulp interview). 

2-slow MX wrote:

Are you new to the sport?  Villo was very open about this stuff.  Sure he's come to terms with it later on in life.  Is he...

Are you new to the sport?  Villo was very open about this stuff.  Sure he's come to terms with it later on in life.  Is he happy where his life is now?  I'd imagine it's better than he ever dreamed.  But that doesn't negate how irresponsible it was of his parents to put the entire families financial lives on his shoulder while he was a kid. He's publicly discussed this.

Again, for every success story like the Lawerences and Villo there are hundreds of families completely torn apart due to this kind of decision.  People can do what they want but we should stop celebrating it.  Celebrate the dad that built a successful business, sends his daughter to private school, and takes little Johnny racing in the big RV without the kids having to eat ramen noodles.  That dudes the real winner.

Herr Lich wrote:

No, I'm not new to the sport. I've never seen an interview with RV where he says it was irresponsible of his parents to bank everything...

No, I'm not new to the sport. I've never seen an interview with RV where he says it was irresponsible of his parents to bank everything on his racing career.  I have seen the interviews - which you seem to be referring to - where he talks about the pressure coming from his family's financial situation relying on him. The fact that he is happy with his life now would indicate he is on the whole happy with the decisions his family made. You also seem to be somehow equating the Villopoto's experience with any family who spends all their money on their kids motocross career.  The risk is clearly not the same for everyone.  From a rational objective risk assessment perspective, betting on RV being successful was clearly a reasonable conclusion.  He was constantly in the top two or three of American amateurs throughout his amateur career.  Further, RV has never indicated that he was forced into continuing racing.  He recognized that he was supremely gifted at this particular activity and also recognized he could make a career from it. Your example of the private school girl is odd.  Does being sent to private school not also have its problems?  Couldn't the girl in question be unhappy with this, or feel that she is being sent there just because her parent's want it?  In many cases the parents of said girl may be going into debt or cutting spending elsewhere to afford the tuition fees, banking on their decision being in the best interests of the child.  Does the fact that this is the case not put pressure on the girl?  

You're trying to cast RV's parents as heartless and self-interested, using RV for their own ends. The real story is they recognized their son's unique abilities and provided the backing for him to make the most of these. 

2-slow MX wrote:

LOL at the goobers talking about the Lawerence boys showing world class potential as children and being "scouted" by European teams.  My God we I hear...

LOL at the goobers talking about the Lawerence boys showing world class potential as children and being "scouted" by European teams.  My God we I hear everyone bitching about parents selling the farm to go all in with little billy over here in the USA when he gets signed by the Orange Brigade on 65's.  But if they're from another country it's awesome!!!  They had such an amazing journey!  Do you know how many Australians (or any other country for that matter) come over here thinking they're the next Chad Reed?  They're dominating every race at home.  They come to the US thinking they're coming to win LL and don't even fucking qualify?  Literally every year tons of kids that everyone thought was the next big deal goes home very humbled.  And lets be honest, they were good riders for sure but it's not like they were just obliterating the competition back then.

My real problem though is not that they moved across the world to race dirt bikes.  Not a problem with that at all.  It's that some knucklehead dad did it and put the entire families financial well being on the shoulders of his children. As i said previously, as a father, you have 1 job.  Feed and shelter your family.  He literally put his 1 job on the shoulders of his kids.  And it's fine.  It's your family but stop fucking celebrating it every time their name is brought up...  Ask Villopoto how he felt about having his families financial lives be on his shoulders as a kid. 

MXMattii wrote:

When people like yourself compare CLS to the "Orange Brigade" or someone like Swordfish calls CLS a sketchy team, then you show how much you know...

When people like yourself compare CLS to the "Orange Brigade" or someone like Swordfish calls CLS a sketchy team, then you show how much you know about the World Motocross and European Motocross championship. CLS supported Chris Pourcel his private team back in 2012, the team became also vice-world champion with Tommy Searle. Dylan Ferrandis was also one of their riders. Sadly the last two years (2016 with the Lawrence brothers) and 2017 with Petrov, Sterry and Rubini were the two unstable years.

To debunk the Orange Brigade comparison; The riders who raced EMX85 for an official Factory team:
Jorge Prado (KTM)
Gianluca Facchetti (Suzuki)
Rene Hofer (KTM)
Jett Lawrence (Kawasaki - Suzuki)

The riders who raced EMX125 or EMX250 on an official (satellite) Factory team, with long term contracts:
Jeffrey Herlings (KTM)
Jorge Prado (KTM)
Conrad Mewse (KTM - Husqvarna)
Josiah Natzke (KTM)
Hunter Lawrence (Kawasaki)
Kay de Wolf (Husqvarna)
Rene Hofer (KTM)
Lucas Coenen (Kawasaki - Husqvarna)
Sascha Coenen (Kawasaki - Husqvarna)

You could add a few more names because Yamaha has an official youth team in EMX125 and EMX250 that gave the chance to Thibault Benistant, Rick Elzinga, Gianluca Facchetti,... (Not always with long term contracts). But like you see WC teams don't throw around with support, and even less do they throw around with support and 5 year contracts for young kids. When they sign a kid young, you can compare it with Mitch Payton signing Adam Cianciarulo. Not Team Green signing John Do.

CPR wrote:

You didn’t bother watching any of the interviews with the back story huh?

2-slow MX wrote:

I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over b/c i've heard the story 3000 times this year.  Certainly heard it on in the background but curious what...

I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over b/c i've heard the story 3000 times this year.  Certainly heard it on in the background but curious what part of it are you gathering that i missed?

CPR wrote:

Since you asked, here’s what you seem to have missed: 1. Re. Parents thinking their kids are showing world class potential and following unrealistic dreams- Unlike...

Since you asked, here’s what you seem to have missed:

1. Re. Parents thinking their kids are showing world class potential and following unrealistic dreams- Unlike the dreamers, the Lawrence’s actually travelled internationally as juniors and competed in World junior titles. So they already knew they were ‘world class’, hence the international offer.

2. How many Australians have gone to America thinking they’re going to be the next Chad Reed?- actually not very many, and of those that have, I doubt any of them thought they’d have Reed level success, but the majority have been competitive.

3. “Knucklehead dad” putting the family’s financial responsibility on the kids- if you’d actually paid attention you’d know it was a family decision to go overseas. They knew if the kids were to reach their full potential in moto they needed to go international sooner rather than later. To the States via Europe is a proven path for Aussies.
But sounds like there were plenty of contingency plans in place. The hardship was due to unfortunate circumstances with the team not paying, but they still had funds to live off from the sale of their property, though it meant tightening the budget to make it last. Which is what is spoken about. I highly doubt that any pressure was ever put on Hunter to perform to increase the family finances, sounds like he put that on himself.
If he failed, they fly home, dad picks up his plastering (drywall in the US) business again, kids get Aussie factory rides and they continue on to whatever lay in the future. But first they were determined to make the best of the hand they’d been dealt.
Did they take a risk? Yes a calculated one. Did it pay off? Hell yes!

Oh and I’d welcome you to personally tell Daz he’s a knucklehead dad, that would be entertaining.

2-slow MX wrote:

I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over b/c i've heard the story 3000 times this year.  Certainly heard it on in the background but curious what...

I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over b/c i've heard the story 3000 times this year.  Certainly heard it on in the background but curious what part of it are you gathering that i missed?

CPR wrote:

Since you asked, here’s what you seem to have missed: 1. Re. Parents thinking their kids are showing world class potential and following unrealistic dreams- Unlike...

Since you asked, here’s what you seem to have missed:

1. Re. Parents thinking their kids are showing world class potential and following unrealistic dreams- Unlike the dreamers, the Lawrence’s actually travelled internationally as juniors and competed in World junior titles. So they already knew they were ‘world class’, hence the international offer.

2. How many Australians have gone to America thinking they’re going to be the next Chad Reed?- actually not very many, and of those that have, I doubt any of them thought they’d have Reed level success, but the majority have been competitive.

3. “Knucklehead dad” putting the family’s financial responsibility on the kids- if you’d actually paid attention you’d know it was a family decision to go overseas. They knew if the kids were to reach their full potential in moto they needed to go international sooner rather than later. To the States via Europe is a proven path for Aussies.
But sounds like there were plenty of contingency plans in place. The hardship was due to unfortunate circumstances with the team not paying, but they still had funds to live off from the sale of their property, though it meant tightening the budget to make it last. Which is what is spoken about. I highly doubt that any pressure was ever put on Hunter to perform to increase the family finances, sounds like he put that on himself.
If he failed, they fly home, dad picks up his plastering (drywall in the US) business again, kids get Aussie factory rides and they continue on to whatever lay in the future. But first they were determined to make the best of the hand they’d been dealt.
Did they take a risk? Yes a calculated one. Did it pay off? Hell yes!

Oh and I’d welcome you to personally tell Daz he’s a knucklehead dad, that would be entertaining.

2-slow MX wrote:

lol i get it bro.  You're an Australian cult member.  Carry on my man.  "I bet you wouldn't say that to my lord and saviors face!!!!" ...

lol i get it bro.  You're an Australian cult member.  Carry on my man.  "I bet you wouldn't say that to my lord and saviors face!!!!"  Fucking dork...

CPR wrote:

Since you asked, here’s what you seem to have missed: 1. Re. Parents thinking their kids are showing world class potential and following unrealistic dreams- Unlike...

Since you asked, here’s what you seem to have missed:

1. Re. Parents thinking their kids are showing world class potential and following unrealistic dreams- Unlike the dreamers, the Lawrence’s actually travelled internationally as juniors and competed in World junior titles. So they already knew they were ‘world class’, hence the international offer.

2. How many Australians have gone to America thinking they’re going to be the next Chad Reed?- actually not very many, and of those that have, I doubt any of them thought they’d have Reed level success, but the majority have been competitive.

3. “Knucklehead dad” putting the family’s financial responsibility on the kids- if you’d actually paid attention you’d know it was a family decision to go overseas. They knew if the kids were to reach their full potential in moto they needed to go international sooner rather than later. To the States via Europe is a proven path for Aussies.
But sounds like there were plenty of contingency plans in place. The hardship was due to unfortunate circumstances with the team not paying, but they still had funds to live off from the sale of their property, though it meant tightening the budget to make it last. Which is what is spoken about. I highly doubt that any pressure was ever put on Hunter to perform to increase the family finances, sounds like he put that on himself.
If he failed, they fly home, dad picks up his plastering (drywall in the US) business again, kids get Aussie factory rides and they continue on to whatever lay in the future. But first they were determined to make the best of the hand they’d been dealt.
Did they take a risk? Yes a calculated one. Did it pay off? Hell yes!

Oh and I’d welcome you to personally tell Daz he’s a knucklehead dad, that would be entertaining.

2-slow MX wrote:

lol i get it bro.  You're an Australian cult member.  Carry on my man.  "I bet you wouldn't say that to my lord and saviors face!!!!" ...

lol i get it bro.  You're an Australian cult member.  Carry on my man.  "I bet you wouldn't say that to my lord and saviors face!!!!"  Fucking dork...

Deja New wrote:

I got nothing…. What makes you think that post it ok? 

2-slow MX wrote:

Why did you waste time writing all of that about all of the successful riders?  It has nothing to do with the point i am making... ...

Why did you waste time writing all of that about all of the successful riders?  It has nothing to do with the point i am making...  We get it, the GP's are the best thing everrrrr.  Orange Brigade was just a random ass name i threw out there.  Stop taking every word so literal and look at the overall point being made.  Lets use AC with PC as our comparison to make you feel better.  AC signed with PC at a young age.  Do you recall any stories from him about how they couldn't eat?  His dad was successful in business and provided quite well for his family.  The daughter (can't remember her name) got to live a normal life.  They still had a nice home.  They let AC follow his dreams and pushed him insanely hard to be successful.  But if he failed, the family could still eat, and life went one without them going on welfare...

2-slow MX wrote:

Are you new to the sport?  Villo was very open about this stuff.  Sure he's come to terms with it later on in life.  Is he...

Are you new to the sport?  Villo was very open about this stuff.  Sure he's come to terms with it later on in life.  Is he happy where his life is now?  I'd imagine it's better than he ever dreamed.  But that doesn't negate how irresponsible it was of his parents to put the entire families financial lives on his shoulder while he was a kid. He's publicly discussed this.

Again, for every success story like the Lawerences and Villo there are hundreds of families completely torn apart due to this kind of decision.  People can do what they want but we should stop celebrating it.  Celebrate the dad that built a successful business, sends his daughter to private school, and takes little Johnny racing in the big RV without the kids having to eat ramen noodles.  That dudes the real winner.

Herr Lich wrote:

No, I'm not new to the sport. I've never seen an interview with RV where he says it was irresponsible of his parents to bank everything...

No, I'm not new to the sport. I've never seen an interview with RV where he says it was irresponsible of his parents to bank everything on his racing career.  I have seen the interviews - which you seem to be referring to - where he talks about the pressure coming from his family's financial situation relying on him. The fact that he is happy with his life now would indicate he is on the whole happy with the decisions his family made. You also seem to be somehow equating the Villopoto's experience with any family who spends all their money on their kids motocross career.  The risk is clearly not the same for everyone.  From a rational objective risk assessment perspective, betting on RV being successful was clearly a reasonable conclusion.  He was constantly in the top two or three of American amateurs throughout his amateur career.  Further, RV has never indicated that he was forced into continuing racing.  He recognized that he was supremely gifted at this particular activity and also recognized he could make a career from it. Your example of the private school girl is odd.  Does being sent to private school not also have its problems?  Couldn't the girl in question be unhappy with this, or feel that she is being sent there just because her parent's want it?  In many cases the parents of said girl may be going into debt or cutting spending elsewhere to afford the tuition fees, banking on their decision being in the best interests of the child.  Does the fact that this is the case not put pressure on the girl?  

You're trying to cast RV's parents as heartless and self-interested, using RV for their own ends. The real story is they recognized their son's unique abilities and provided the backing for him to make the most of these. 

2-slow MX wrote:

Holy shit.  There is no way you are this fucking stupid.  It looks like you're from Australia so you're obviously one of the cult members everyone...

Holy shit.  There is no way you are this fucking stupid.  It looks like you're from Australia so you're obviously one of the cult members everyone is talking about.  It's also the internet so you just want to win an argument.  Like you're mind truly couldn't grasp the overall idea of what i was trying to convey with the sending the daughter to private school?  I'm not even going to try to clarify it. 

2-slow MX wrote:

I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over b/c i've heard the story 3000 times this year.  Certainly heard it on in the background but curious what...

I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over b/c i've heard the story 3000 times this year.  Certainly heard it on in the background but curious what part of it are you gathering that i missed?

CPR wrote:

Since you asked, here’s what you seem to have missed: 1. Re. Parents thinking their kids are showing world class potential and following unrealistic dreams- Unlike...

Since you asked, here’s what you seem to have missed:

1. Re. Parents thinking their kids are showing world class potential and following unrealistic dreams- Unlike the dreamers, the Lawrence’s actually travelled internationally as juniors and competed in World junior titles. So they already knew they were ‘world class’, hence the international offer.

2. How many Australians have gone to America thinking they’re going to be the next Chad Reed?- actually not very many, and of those that have, I doubt any of them thought they’d have Reed level success, but the majority have been competitive.

3. “Knucklehead dad” putting the family’s financial responsibility on the kids- if you’d actually paid attention you’d know it was a family decision to go overseas. They knew if the kids were to reach their full potential in moto they needed to go international sooner rather than later. To the States via Europe is a proven path for Aussies.
But sounds like there were plenty of contingency plans in place. The hardship was due to unfortunate circumstances with the team not paying, but they still had funds to live off from the sale of their property, though it meant tightening the budget to make it last. Which is what is spoken about. I highly doubt that any pressure was ever put on Hunter to perform to increase the family finances, sounds like he put that on himself.
If he failed, they fly home, dad picks up his plastering (drywall in the US) business again, kids get Aussie factory rides and they continue on to whatever lay in the future. But first they were determined to make the best of the hand they’d been dealt.
Did they take a risk? Yes a calculated one. Did it pay off? Hell yes!

Oh and I’d welcome you to personally tell Daz he’s a knucklehead dad, that would be entertaining.

2-slow MX wrote:

lol i get it bro.  You're an Australian cult member.  Carry on my man.  "I bet you wouldn't say that to my lord and saviors face!!!!" ...

lol i get it bro.  You're an Australian cult member.  Carry on my man.  "I bet you wouldn't say that to my lord and saviors face!!!!"  Fucking dork...