Race B class at LL and then the next weekend race Unadilla, how?

What do you mean how?  What is your question?

It’s the way the sport has been and always will be. Which cascades down to the local level where the C class is the premier class of the day. 

Read racerhead, he's on an international license

Israel used a loophole that's going to be closed.

Per the AMA Pro Racing's relationship with the FIM, as a national racing organization, AMA must accept licenses approved on an international scale. The FIM recognizes tons of countries' pro licenses on an international scale. Say one of our US guys wants to go race a GP or a pro race in Germany for ADAC, the series accept and recognize their AMA license as sufficient evidence of their abilities and they're allowed to race.

Similarly, the AMA has to recognize say a pro license from France or Canada equally and allow them entry into our series, regardless if they've done the needed steps to earn a pro license the same way an American amateur would (pro-am points and qualifiers).

Nico Israel is from Chile, he used their racing organization to grant him a pro license which in turn AMA Pro Racing had to recognize. This has happened before, many of times for A riders from other countries to get around doing pro-ams but it's never happened with a B rider before (that's where the loophole will have to be closed this winter).

What's kind of jacked up on Nico's part, is he signed up for Unadilla back in July before Loretta's even happened and is already on the Chilean MXoN team. So he had this all planned out.

Now why didn't he get "caught" until we saw the entry list this weekend? Simple, the staff that runs the Nationals and LL's are different. They each weren't aware they were having to track a B rider trying to game the system.

By the time it was noticed, it was too late to do anything about it and technically he didn't break a rule, but he went super grey area to pull it off.

Hope this clears it up as I did some digging because I too was royally confused on this subject when I saw him on the entry list last week.

Here are Davey's words on it from Racerhead: https://racerxonline.com/2023/08/11/racerhead-32

"If you’ve perusing the pre-entry list for tomorrow’s Unadilla National Pro Motocross race, you may have noticed #990 Nicolas Israel at the very bottom of the 250 class lineup. You may recall that a long time ago #990 belonged to the young Michael Byrne when he first landed here back in 2000 from Australia. Israel is not from Australia nor is he from Lake Elsinore, California, as listed on his pre-entry. You may have also noticed Israel in last week’s Monster Energy AMA Amateur National Motocross Championship results from Loretta Lynn’s. He went 1-27-1 to finish eighth overall in the 450 B class. You will see Israel at Unadilla, but you won’t see 250 B Limited class champion Jeremy Fappani here, nor 450 B champion Jadon Cooper, nor Schoolboy champion Casey Cochran. If any of them want to race AMA Pro Motocross they first have to accumulate AMA Pro-Am points, which is what Casey Cochran is doing this weekend, and what Haiden Deegan did last year after Loretta Lynn’s, before he made it to the pro gate at Ironman Raceway a couple weeks later. It’s like that for all riders going from amateur to professional.

So how did this young rider Nico Israel get to go from B to Pro? The answer lay in the fact that he’s from Chile, not the U.S., and his family signed up for AMA Pro Motocross through the FIM and their home FMNR in Chile. And as a member nation, the AMA has to recognize an FMNR request for license and entry. That’s how most foreign riders end up on the starting gate here, and how U.S. guys are able to go race abroad. The problem, however, is the fact that this is the first time anyone can remember when a B rider went this route, circumventing the advancement policy. Usually it’s a professional from back home like Jay Wilson of Australia, or Estonia’s Harri Kullas, or Estonia’s Tanel Leok, all of whom are also racing this weekend with permission from their respective domestic sanctioning bodies. Israel signed up for Unadilla back on July 21, before Loretta Lynn’s, but no one noticed that he was racing the B classes there, and that includes me—I did not realize that he was from Chile, not SoCal, and that he was racing B, not A, and that he was signed up for Unadilla too. It’s no fault of Nico and his family that they found this loophole, but in talking with the AMA and AMA Pro Racing, MX Sports Pro Racing is going to work together with them to close this loophole moving forward.

We’re glad to have as many international entries as we can accommodate, and we’ve had record numbers this year (with more to come). But any B rider coming out of Loretta Lynn’s should be held to the same scrutiny and rules as American kids like Deegan, Cochran, Fappani, and the rest when it comes to this rite of passage. (Coincidentally, Israel is also apparently signed up for Team Chile at the upcoming Monster Energy FIM Motocross of Nations in France.)"

I posted it in a different thread, but here's the reason why he was able to race Unadilla.

From DC: 

"So how did this young rider Nico Israel get to go from B to Pro? The answer lay in the fact that he’s from Chile, not the U.S., and his family signed up for AMA Pro Motocross through the FIM and their home FMNR in Chile. And as a member nation, the AMA has to recognize an FMNR request for license and entry. That’s how most foreign riders end up on the starting gate here, and how U.S. guys are able to go race abroad. The problem, however, is the fact that this is the first time anyone can remember when a B rider went this route, circumventing the advancement policy. Usually it’s a professional from back home like Jay Wilson of Australia, or Estonia’s Harri Kullas, or Estonia’s Tanel Leok, all of whom are also racing this weekend with permission from their respective domestic sanctioning bodies. Israel signed up for Unadilla back on July 21, before Loretta Lynn’s, but no one noticed that he was racing the B classes there, and that includes me—I did not realize that he was from Chile, not SoCal, and that he was racing B, not A, and that he was signed up for Unadilla too. It’s no fault of Nico and his family that they found this loophole, but in talking with the AMA and AMA Pro Racing, MX Sports Pro Racing is going to work together with them to close this loophole moving forward.

We’re glad to have as many international entries as we can accommodate, and we’ve had record numbers this year (with more to come). But any B rider coming out of Loretta Lynn’s should be held to the same scrutiny and rules as American kids like Deegan, Cochran, Fappani, and the rest when it comes to this rite of passage. (Coincidentally, Israel is also apparently signed up for Team Chile at the upcoming Monster Energy FIM Motocross of Nations in France.)"

Lots of riders have done this in the past. Maybe not the next week but they’ve gone B to pro without riding A. It’s insane and absolutely makes 0 sense. B to pro is just laughable to think about.

Nope domestic riders have to race A to get points towards a pro license. Deegan had to scramble for his points last year.

Yes they recently changed those rules but there are pros still riding today who never rode the amateur A class.

The question I would have is why? Just to say he did? With three finishes of 16-9-32 (At Loretta's in the B Class) doesn't seem as he is at speed yet. Also lists him there and the Racer X results from California. He went 37-31 at 'Dilla, As easy as it is for the AMA to DNQ someone at the track, it would seem this could have been easily prevented. Of course, would require a wise decision.

On the flip side, I assume he had to qualify to get in.

I still don't see the upside of this at all.

Im guessing it was more the 1-27-1 results in 450 b

So...he sandbagged the B class at Loretta's which is where he should have been disqualified. 

There needs to be more vetting of international riders when they enter Loretta's. It's only fair that they learn to game the system like American riders have been doing for decades by pulling off while in the lead at local races to avoid advancement points at AMA races and stay in "B" class or "C" class for years.

Move 'em up!

He's been racing at Loretta's since 2019, and based on his results he doesn't appear to be sandbagging anything:

He raced Loretta's in the b class while holding a pro license and was signed up for Unadilla before he went to Loretta's he should be disqualified from his results at Loretta's pretty simple really🤷‍♂️

I’m curious…who are the pro riders you’re referring to? The last one I can recall would be Dungey. 

Adam and Shane right off the top of my head

Barcia and Tomac for sure. I thought Malcolm did too but I looked back and he did race A his last year. AC. Forkner. I feel like there is another I’m missing.

But they let amateurs race pro now, as in the past. I get your point, but mx sports makes it so confusing. To me you are either amateur or pro, just like other sports. But maybe I’m wrong and other sports let you do both?

You have to be in the A class and acquire a a license to do a national not the B class LOL baseball does it they send players down to the minor leagues to rehab before they come back up to the majors football does something similar they have leagues up in Canada and in Europe I believe that are like the minors but no you don't see them going back to play college ball once they turn pro🤷‍♂️

Thanks for filling me in. However, Barcia and Tomac both have results listed for A class. So does Forkner for that matter.  NSP139 mentioned AC and Mcelrath, but Shane has A class results also. So it looks like AC may be the only one. 

I could have swore I remember Troy Lee picking up Shane directly from B maybe he did some A class for them I didn't look up results though👍

I think it's a good idea they let the a class kids run some Nationals and get a taste of what it's like our amateur system does not prepare them for the pros! The European system is much better at that!

This is why emx250 is so much better feeder series , how many classes at Loretta’s would be in combined ,  

That’s okay. It wasn’t the only false information you were claiming. The Canadian football league has nothing to do with the NFL. And European football? Lol

You were correct about baseball though. 👍🏻 Minor league baseball is still professional level.

I know they're not associated with the NFL that they are like a minor system where they can pull players from for send players to if they can't make it in the NFL and yes there is a European Football League that isn't soccer LOL

https://europeanleague.football/

I think there is 36 classes at Loretta's lol and yes the emx 125 and 250 classes are much better!

NFL teams can not send anybody to the CFL. A former NFL player can sign a contract with a CFL team, or vice versa. The same goes for the European football league. On average those guys get paid less than $3k/month. Very few former NFL players would be willing to sign for that considering the minimum NFL salary is 750k/yr.