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PaleBlue 11/30/2009 12:26am
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Reminds me of when they wanted to restrict carby size on multi cylinder 750cc road race bikes because they were too fast. With the EFI systems...
Reminds me of when they wanted to restrict carby size on multi cylinder 750cc road race bikes because they were too fast.

With the EFI systems on the new 450 bikes they could easily set peramiters of tuning to restrict horsepower...should do the same job as silencing them.
Tiki wrote:
125 CC two strokes max. Hows that? I love the sound of a swarm of bees. On tarmac or dirt.
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in road racing completely. Angry
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R-acer 11/30/2009 1:33am
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Too fast and too loud? NO such thingEvil
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Dropbear 11/30/2009 1:56am
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PaleBlue wrote:
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in...
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in road racing completely. Angry
WTF? I thought the 125's were the cheap as starter class. What are they replacing the 125's with?
Poker_Player 11/30/2009 4:53am
11/30/2009 4:53am
Motodude wrote:
Reminds me of when they wanted to restrict carby size on multi cylinder 750cc road race bikes because they were too fast. With the EFI systems...
Reminds me of when they wanted to restrict carby size on multi cylinder 750cc road race bikes because they were too fast.

With the EFI systems on the new 450 bikes they could easily set peramiters of tuning to restrict horsepower...should do the same job as silencing them.
Tiki wrote:
125 CC two strokes max. Hows that? I love the sound of a swarm of bees. On tarmac or dirt.
PaleBlue wrote:
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in...
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in road racing completely. Angry
You are blaming that on Honda? That is rich.Woohoo

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Poker_Player 11/30/2009 4:54am
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R-acer wrote:
Too fast and too loud? NO such thingEvil
I am with you, unfortunately the majority aren't.
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Kinetic1 11/30/2009 5:42am
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Faster the better. I'll take all the power I can get. However quiet is a good thing. The first thing I did to my 525 KTM was to put an FMF Q2 on it. Loud doesn't bother me but we need to think about the impact of our chosen sport on others. How many tracks have closed due to noise complaints? We need to be as respectful as possible to people outside of our sport just as they need to be respectful of us. It's a two way street. The noise of a modern four stroke race engine is way too loud for John Q Public. They do not share our opinion that it is a wonderful melody. We need to be cognizant of that and do what we can to protect the sport we all love.
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mjskier 11/30/2009 7:01pm
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Screw that. I have 140 hrs on my 450. This has been the most maintenence free bike I have ever had. If it blows tomorrow. I...
Screw that. I have 140 hrs on my 450. This has been the most maintenence free bike I have ever had. If it blows tomorrow. I have got my moneys worth. I can ride it full throttle on my GP track. I can't wait till next week to do the 2 HR. They have a couple 75 mph straights at VDR.
I can't wait till next week to do the 2 HR. They have a couple 75 mph straights at VDR.

Weather forecast for sunday:
High: 26 °F RealFeel®: 22 °F
Mostly cloudy and very cold with a chance for a bit of snow or flurries

Whats the wind chill factor at 75mph?
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PaleBlue 12/1/2009 12:12am
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Tiki wrote:
125 CC two strokes max. Hows that? I love the sound of a swarm of bees. On tarmac or dirt.
PaleBlue wrote:
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in...
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in road racing completely. Angry
Poker_Player wrote:
You are blaming that on Honda? That is rich.Woohoo
Yes I AM blaming Honda, and from what I hear from my friends inside GP road racing that is precisely where the blame lays for the demise of the 500, 250 and now 125 classes.
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andymoto 12/1/2009 1:06am
12/1/2009 1:06am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:13pm
PaleBlue wrote:
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in...
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in road racing completely. Angry
Poker_Player wrote:
You are blaming that on Honda? That is rich.Woohoo
PaleBlue wrote:
Yes I AM blaming Honda, and from what I hear from my friends inside GP road racing that is [u]precisely[/u] where the blame lays for the...
Yes I AM blaming Honda, and from what I hear from my friends inside GP road racing that is precisely where the blame lays for the demise of the 500, 250 and now 125 classes.
Don't Gilera, Aprilia and what other machines have a say in Europe RR GPs?

So you're saying what 125 Hondas are racing totally shuts down the entry level in 2012?

Replacing it with what? A 250 single or dual four stroker? 450 Twin/3 cylinder?

Who runs the Road Racing GP series? Not Honda surely.

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Dropbear 12/1/2009 1:36am
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Tiki wrote:
125 CC two strokes max. Hows that? I love the sound of a swarm of bees. On tarmac or dirt.
PaleBlue wrote:
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in...
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in road racing completely. Angry
Poker_Player wrote:
You are blaming that on Honda? That is rich.Woohoo
Im not saying this is incorrect, but I cant seem to find any news corroborating the demise of the 125's in 2012. Can anyone post a link?
Poker_Player 12/1/2009 6:05am
12/1/2009 6:05am Edited Date/Time 12/1/2009 6:07am
PaleBlue wrote:
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in...
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in road racing completely. Angry
Poker_Player wrote:
You are blaming that on Honda? That is rich.Woohoo
PaleBlue wrote:
Yes I AM blaming Honda, and from what I hear from my friends inside GP road racing that is [u]precisely[/u] where the blame lays for the...
Yes I AM blaming Honda, and from what I hear from my friends inside GP road racing that is precisely where the blame lays for the demise of the 500, 250 and now 125 classes.
Honda controls that circuit too huh? Wow. They are the almighty. Would motorcycle racing become extinct if Honda quit making motorcycles.
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Cygnus 12/1/2009 6:08am
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Cygnus wrote:
Screw that. I have 140 hrs on my 450. This has been the most maintenence free bike I have ever had. If it blows tomorrow. I...
Screw that. I have 140 hrs on my 450. This has been the most maintenence free bike I have ever had. If it blows tomorrow. I have got my moneys worth. I can ride it full throttle on my GP track. I can't wait till next week to do the 2 HR. They have a couple 75 mph straights at VDR.
mjskier wrote:
[b]I can't wait till next week to do the 2 HR. They have a couple 75 mph straights at VDR. [/b] Weather forecast for sunday: High...
I can't wait till next week to do the 2 HR. They have a couple 75 mph straights at VDR.

Weather forecast for sunday:
High: 26 °F RealFeel®: 22 °F
Mostly cloudy and very cold with a chance for a bit of snow or flurries

Whats the wind chill factor at 75mph?
Where did you find that? WC says 45 and sunny. Oh and our local weather said 30 and snow last Sunday and it was 45 and sunny here. I split wood all day waiting for the snow.Unsure
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PaleBlue 12/1/2009 7:32am
12/1/2009 7:32am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:13pm
PaleBlue wrote:
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in...
Yep, we ALL love the sound BUT Honda's anti 2t march continues. No more 125s at road race GP's from 2012. Effectively ending 2 strokes in road racing completely. Angry
Poker_Player wrote:
You are blaming that on Honda? That is rich.Woohoo
Dropbear wrote:
Im not saying this is incorrect, but I cant seem to find any news corroborating the demise of the 125's in 2012. Can anyone post a...
Im not saying this is incorrect, but I cant seem to find any news corroborating the demise of the 125's in 2012. Can anyone post a link?
Trust me, they are gone, soon (in 2012 -or the season following) to be be replaced by an (as yet) undecided four stroke. There is no link that I know of, but I don't believe this to be a secret - I got it from someone who makes the odd GP bike (and who LOVES 2t's).

Honda exert more control in (all forms of) motorcycle racing than Ferrari do in Formula 1. What they say goes.
Would the sport cease if they quit? Absolutely NOT! Other manufacturers would be more likely to participate if they were faced with a level playing field.



Gilera, Aprillia and Derbi are all one company - Piaggio, who will now effectively be out of GP's. They are not happy! But to call 125's "entry level" bikes is to hugely underestimate their costs at competitive GP level!
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mjskier 12/1/2009 9:02am
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Where did you find that? WC says 45 and sunny. Oh and our local weather said 30 and snow last Sunday and it was 45 and sunny here. I split wood all day waiting for the snow.

From accuweather.com. I have a firefox plugin that shows me a few temps at the bottom of the browser (current, predicted high, and tomorrow)
And when I click on it it takes me to the site.
But hey, it is Colorado, where the weather man can't tell the weather...

If it is 45 Sunday, I'll be there. That will be my first HS this season since I had ankle surgery just before the first one.
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Dropbear 12/1/2009 12:21pm
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PaleBlue wrote:
Trust me, they are gone, soon (in 2012 -or the season following) to be be replaced by an (as yet) undecided four stroke. There is no...
Trust me, they are gone, soon (in 2012 -or the season following) to be be replaced by an (as yet) undecided four stroke. There is no link that I know of, but I don't believe this to be a secret - I got it from someone who makes the odd GP bike (and who LOVES 2t's).

Honda exert more control in (all forms of) motorcycle racing than Ferrari do in Formula 1. What they say goes.
Would the sport cease if they quit? Absolutely NOT! Other manufacturers would be more likely to participate if they were faced with a level playing field.



Gilera, Aprillia and Derbi are all one company - Piaggio, who will now effectively be out of GP's. They are not happy! But to call 125's "entry level" bikes is to hugely underestimate their costs at competitive GP level!
That sucks then! I agree that Honda seem to call the shots with the GP classes.

The stupid thing is that the expense of comparatively high revving 800's is one of the reasons MotoGP is going back to 1000's. Doesn't that make converting the smaller capacity classes to 4 strokes a contradiction?

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