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DonM wrote:
What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right...

What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right it was never ( or very very quietly) announced that he split with WSX and Bailey last March....it remains to be seen how that affects the investment....I sure as hell wouldn't say that it's a safe bet that they stay involved for 5yrs if they're not making a profit...

Exactly. They swept that tidbit under the rug. Investors aren't going to lose millions and be ok with it. Eventually it will get to the point that the loss is going to be to great to recoup. by the end of this 6 race stint investors are going to be worried. 

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DonM wrote:
What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right...

What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right it was never ( or very very quietly) announced that he split with WSX and Bailey last March....it remains to be seen how that affects the investment....I sure as hell wouldn't say that it's a safe bet that they stay involved for 5yrs if they're not making a profit...

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Exactly. They swept that tidbit under the rug. Investors aren't going to lose millions and be ok with it. Eventually it will get to the point...

Exactly. They swept that tidbit under the rug. Investors aren't going to lose millions and be ok with it. Eventually it will get to the point that the loss is going to be to great to recoup. by the end of this 6 race stint investors are going to be worried. 

I'm thinking they are worried now...

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DonM wrote:
What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right...

What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right it was never ( or very very quietly) announced that he split with WSX and Bailey last March....it remains to be seen how that affects the investment....I sure as hell wouldn't say that it's a safe bet that they stay involved for 5yrs if they're not making a profit...

bc775 wrote:
Exactly. They swept that tidbit under the rug. Investors aren't going to lose millions and be ok with it. Eventually it will get to the point...

Exactly. They swept that tidbit under the rug. Investors aren't going to lose millions and be ok with it. Eventually it will get to the point that the loss is going to be to great to recoup. by the end of this 6 race stint investors are going to be worried. 

DonM wrote:

I'm thinking they are worried now...

Yea your probably right. I was very disappointed with my 50 dollar investment yesterday 

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cbunt44 wrote:

Honestly why are you trying to diss somethings that will only grow our sport ?

Wsx is trying destroy mx nationals, Reed even said it they’re not competing with sx but will be going after mx for the riders and teams...

Wsx is trying destroy mx nationals, Reed even said it they’re not competing with sx but will be going after mx for the riders and teams. They want the factory teams to race USA sx in the winter then switch over and race global sx in the summer . 

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Wsx will grow , outdoors has become less appealing its clearly apparent in the 450 class 

Wayyyyyyy more people are interested in outdoors than WSX. There isn't even anyone really noteworthy racing those races. Roczen, and thats it. Not to mention look at the crowds. It's not even close. European moto is going downhill in general most people that are halfway decent end up in the states anyways. This is where the best in the world come to race. 

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7/2/2023 10:35am Edited Date/Time 7/2/2023 10:35am
DonM wrote:
What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right...

What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right it was never ( or very very quietly) announced that he split with WSX and Bailey last March....it remains to be seen how that affects the investment....I sure as hell wouldn't say that it's a safe bet that they stay involved for 5yrs if they're not making a profit...

Bailey (and his Mrs) is the WSX CEO.

Cochrane is the vice president and on the board.

Who knows what he is up to. He also resigned from his main job as an AFL club president earlier this year.

He probably wants to kick back.  He was bringing the Rolling Stones down under in the 1970's so has been around a while.

 

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DonM wrote:
What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right...

What happened to your boy Tony Cochran? You know the guy that was president of WSX...The guy that brought in the Abu Dabi investors? That's right it was never ( or very very quietly) announced that he split with WSX and Bailey last March....it remains to be seen how that affects the investment....I sure as hell wouldn't say that it's a safe bet that they stay involved for 5yrs if they're not making a profit...

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Bailey (and his Mrs) is the WSX CEO. Cochrane is the vice president and on the board. Who knows what he is up to. He also...

Bailey (and his Mrs) is the WSX CEO.

Cochrane is the vice president and on the board.

Who knows what he is up to. He also resigned from his main job as an AFL club president earlier this year.

He probably wants to kick back.  He was bringing the Rolling Stones down under in the 1970's so has been around a while.

 

He stepped down as president in March as typical of WSX they just acted like nothing happened...you are making assumptions on why....if it was for the reasons you state you would think they would do a press release so there wouldn't be any speculation as to why....but yet here we are...

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7/2/2023 10:48am
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Bailey (and his Mrs) is the WSX CEO. Cochrane is the vice president and on the board. Who knows what he is up to. He also...

Bailey (and his Mrs) is the WSX CEO.

Cochrane is the vice president and on the board.

Who knows what he is up to. He also resigned from his main job as an AFL club president earlier this year.

He probably wants to kick back.  He was bringing the Rolling Stones down under in the 1970's so has been around a while.

 

It was interesting the big fan fare for him being in the Board at the time , with his background in Supercars ,  but nothing when he left 

 

I presume he was the guy that got the industry offside with the join us or be dead soon speech at Anaheim 

 

it’s also interesting they Supercars does not have any overseas rounds at the moment. , and in the last few years only in , New Zealand 

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DonM wrote:
He stepped down as president in March as typical of WSX they just acted like nothing happened...you are making assumptions on why....if it was for the...

He stepped down as president in March as typical of WSX they just acted like nothing happened...you are making assumptions on why....if it was for the reasons you state you would think they would do a press release so there wouldn't be any speculation as to why....but yet here we are...

Don, you could do it for him. You've decided what his motivations are.

Ironically, paradoxically, you are WSX's biggest detractor but also a self proclaimed expert on the organisation.

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That's not ironic at all. To be an efficient detractor, you need to be well informed. That's why there are no wars without good intel.

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DonM wrote:
He stepped down as president in March as typical of WSX they just acted like nothing happened...you are making assumptions on why....if it was for the...

He stepped down as president in March as typical of WSX they just acted like nothing happened...you are making assumptions on why....if it was for the reasons you state you would think they would do a press release so there wouldn't be any speculation as to why....but yet here we are...

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Don, you could do it for him. You've decided what his motivations are. Ironically, paradoxically, you are WSX's biggest detractor but also a self proclaimed expert...

Don, you could do it for him. You've decided what his motivations are.

Ironically, paradoxically, you are WSX's biggest detractor but also a self proclaimed expert on the organisation.

So that's your answer...in other words you have no idea and probably weren't even aware that it happened...to know the facts you have to do your homework and make a determination on those facts...Tony Cochran was going to be a big part of why they were going to succeed. He was their credibility, their reason they were going to succeed and become " The Worlds Premier SX Series".... 

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I watched both and thought both were GR8. Stupid Faqing americans hating on anything not American. Just enjoy the racing faqers

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I don’t get all the continuous animosity towards WSX; but, I do understand…hell…I know…that Adam and the FIM did -originally- bring this negativity on themselves with how they “represented” their series and the way they originally “spit in the face” of FELD, MX Sports and the American SX/MX scene…in general. 

As I recall…I remember some pissed of individuals at an Anaheim round of SX when the WSX folks were making the rounds…at that race…at a FELD event. Woohoo

So, this didn’t start off with any form of mutual respect or cooperation & the WSX folks did give Feld and MX Sports a good reason to “team up”. And the result of that team is SMX…I like that, too! Can’t wait to go back to The Coliseum…where the true idea of SX began. 

Then there’s the factory teams and their complete lack of desire to join in and change the paradigm…which is exactly what Adam and company set out to do…especially when you take their idea of a team franchise and team pay outs into consideration. 

I have to give Adam a lot of credit and, indeed, respect for taking a swing at it and creating a new series. But, as I’ve said from the beginning, I would have come at it a lot more diplomatically and would have built the series a bit slower…and kept it closer to home/closer to Oz and build it out from there…Oz, Kiwi, Asia…maybe a yr or 2 in…add one round in Europe…then N.A./S.A….etc. 

It seems to me they pitched it the way they did to get the investors with those Middle East deep pockets. You’ve got to admit, so far…it’s worked.

And then there’s the timing…launching on the heels of COVID. I don’t envy the challenges this must have created; but, I’m gonna have to say…

They're still doing it. 

I hope they succeed and I’m looking fwd to all these various series fitting in together and providing us with plenty of opportunities to watch some great racing. 

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Nesta wrote:

I watched both and thought both were GR8. Stupid Faqing americans hating on anything not American. Just enjoy the racing faqers

wtf you say? haha 

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DonM wrote:
So that's your answer...in other words you have no idea and probably weren't even aware that it happened...to know the facts you have to do your...

So that's your answer...in other words you have no idea and probably weren't even aware that it happened...to know the facts you have to do your homework and make a determination on those facts...Tony Cochran was going to be a big part of why they were going to succeed. He was their credibility, their reason they were going to succeed and become " The Worlds Premier SX Series".... 

He's also the main reason why a large part of the SX business immedialtly disliked SX Global.

He ruffled a few feathers, to say the least.

 

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"I’m looking fwd to all these various series fitting in together and providing us with plenty of opportunities to watch some great racing. "

I don't feel like dividing a rather small pool of talent is the way to get that.

 

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DonM wrote:
So that's your answer...in other words you have no idea and probably weren't even aware that it happened...to know the facts you have to do your...

So that's your answer...in other words you have no idea and probably weren't even aware that it happened...to know the facts you have to do your homework and make a determination on those facts...Tony Cochran was going to be a big part of why they were going to succeed. He was their credibility, their reason they were going to succeed and become " The Worlds Premier SX Series".... 

Well mate, I think WSX already are the World's premier SX series.

They have the kudos of a FIM recognised World Championship.

The Feld/AMA Pro-Am series is the US's premier series'.Wink

Adam Bailey has been the Cochrane understudy in this game since it's inception; and I agree with those who say mistakes have been made.

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"I’m looking fwd to all these various series fitting in together and providing us with plenty of opportunities to watch some great racing. " I don't...

"I’m looking fwd to all these various series fitting in together and providing us with plenty of opportunities to watch some great racing. "

I don't feel like dividing a rather small pool of talent is the way to get that.

 

A rising tide lifts all vessels.

If the WSX grows and offers proper opportunities for riders the talent pool will organically grow.

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7/2/2023 1:29pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2023 1:37pm
DonM wrote:
So that's your answer...in other words you have no idea and probably weren't even aware that it happened...to know the facts you have to do your...

So that's your answer...in other words you have no idea and probably weren't even aware that it happened...to know the facts you have to do your homework and make a determination on those facts...Tony Cochran was going to be a big part of why they were going to succeed. He was their credibility, their reason they were going to succeed and become " The Worlds Premier SX Series".... 

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Well mate, I think WSX already are the World's premier SX series. They have the kudos of a FIM recognised World Championship. The Feld/AMA Pro-Am series...

Well mate, I think WSX already are the World's premier SX series.

They have the kudos of a FIM recognised World Championship.

The Feld/AMA Pro-Am series is the US's premier series'.Wink

Adam Bailey has been the Cochrane understudy in this game since it's inception; and I agree with those who say mistakes have been made.

Tell me more about this FIA world championship?

While you're consulting Wikipedia can you also provide some backing for your claim that the FIM is a branch of the United Nations? lol

 

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Goldmember wrote:

A rising tide lifts all vessels.

If the WSX grows and offers proper opportunities for riders the talent pool will organically grow.

There's not ONE up and coming talent in that whole series (and I really don't see WSX on a growth dynamic, but that's another story and a personal feeling).

 

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Tell me more about this FIA world championship? While you're consulting Wikipedia can you also provide some backing for your claim that the FIM is a...

Tell me more about this FIA world championship?

While you're consulting Wikipedia can you also provide some backing for your claim that the FIM is a branch of the United Nations? lol

 

Picking up typos is declasse.Wink

The FIM connects to the United Nations via it's membership of the IOC.

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"In this beloved country U S A we have the RIGHT for competition, thats capitalism not some commie bullshit"

also

"Why they trying to compete with our series, how dare they arrange something on the same weekend"

Silly

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GrapeApe wrote:
Tell me more about this FIA world championship? While you're consulting Wikipedia can you also provide some backing for your claim that the FIM is a...

Tell me more about this FIA world championship?

While you're consulting Wikipedia can you also provide some backing for your claim that the FIM is a branch of the United Nations? lol

 

Goldmember wrote:
Picking up typos is declasse. The FIM connects to the United Nations via it's membership of the IOC.

Picking up typos is declasse.Wink

The FIM connects to the United Nations via it's membership of the IOC.

With you I honestly don't know if it's a typo or if you think the FIA is somehow involved with WSX. You say some really out there stuff. For example - "The FIM connects to the United Nations via it's membership of the IOC." lol

 

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DonM wrote:
So that's your answer...in other words you have no idea and probably weren't even aware that it happened...to know the facts you have to do your...

So that's your answer...in other words you have no idea and probably weren't even aware that it happened...to know the facts you have to do your homework and make a determination on those facts...Tony Cochran was going to be a big part of why they were going to succeed. He was their credibility, their reason they were going to succeed and become " The Worlds Premier SX Series".... 

Goldmember wrote:
Well mate, I think WSX already are the World's premier SX series. They have the kudos of a FIM recognised World Championship. The Feld/AMA Pro-Am series...

Well mate, I think WSX already are the World's premier SX series.

They have the kudos of a FIM recognised World Championship.

The Feld/AMA Pro-Am series is the US's premier series'.Wink

Adam Bailey has been the Cochrane understudy in this game since it's inception; and I agree with those who say mistakes have been made.

Nice cast……Mate

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cbunt44 wrote:

Honestly why are you trying to diss somethings that will only grow our sport ?

Wsx is trying destroy mx nationals, Reed even said it they’re not competing with sx but will be going after mx for the riders and teams...

Wsx is trying destroy mx nationals, Reed even said it they’re not competing with sx but will be going after mx for the riders and teams. They want the factory teams to race USA sx in the winter then switch over and race global sx in the summer . 

64smoker wrote:

Wsx will grow , outdoors has become less appealing its clearly apparent in the 450 class 

Who has MX become less appealing to? Certainly not the fans or the average weekend warrior. Since they went away from the slot car tracks, the racing has been fantastic. I don't know anyone who even likes SX better than outdoors let alone WSX. 

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Nesta wrote:

I watched both and thought both were GR8. Stupid Faqing americans hating on anything not American. Just enjoy the racing faqers

Was this meant as a stir up the hornets nest post?

This isn't about the US vs the rest of the world.  

True fans love the best of the best from around the world going up against each other.     Personally, I don't give a shit what country a competitor hails from.    (Except for MXoN... then it's f***kin USA all the way)

wSX  is a circus-hack side show on the level of the MonsterJam garbage.    In all fairness,  US SX is seen on the same level of MonsterJam by the general public, well maybe a half-step above MJ...lol.     Decades of SX/MX and the sport hasn't grown...and is actually declining.     Suddenly,  wSX is going to grow the sport?     Sure, there are core fans in other countries that go to watch the racing with a "we'll take what we can get"...but wSX is going to succeed where SX has not?    Get real.     

Final point...as mentioned before.  wSX/FIM going for the throat of our National series by attempting to pilfer our best riders away.
That is unforgiveable.

This fan will celebrate when wSX fails...and it will. 

 

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That makes zero sense. Go ahead and make it a hate on American’s for some reason.  But I am more referring to that saying that has...

That makes zero sense. Go ahead and make it a hate on American’s for some reason.  But I am more referring to that saying that has been going around this sport and the NHL.  Always trying to grow but when does it stop. Isn’t it just great how it is? 

Hey man, hating Americans on the internet is cool. Get with the times. 

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ns503 wrote:

Pfft. 

Just wait until Vancouver if dismal looking crowds are your thing.  If it still happens.

It was empty in 2005 with rc ,Stewart and Reed racing so can’t see it being any better this year with only one so called big name rider 

7/2/2023 3:03pm
Nesta wrote:

I watched both and thought both were GR8. Stupid Faqing americans hating on anything not American. Just enjoy the racing faqers

Magoofan wrote:
Was this meant as a stir up the hornets nest post? This isn't about the US vs the rest of the world.   True fans love the...

Was this meant as a stir up the hornets nest post?

This isn't about the US vs the rest of the world.  

True fans love the best of the best from around the world going up against each other.     Personally, I don't give a shit what country a competitor hails from.    (Except for MXoN... then it's f***kin USA all the way)

wSX  is a circus-hack side show on the level of the MonsterJam garbage.    In all fairness,  US SX is seen on the same level of MonsterJam by the general public, well maybe a half-step above MJ...lol.     Decades of SX/MX and the sport hasn't grown...and is actually declining.     Suddenly,  wSX is going to grow the sport?     Sure, there are core fans in other countries that go to watch the racing with a "we'll take what we can get"...but wSX is going to succeed where SX has not?    Get real.     

Final point...as mentioned before.  wSX/FIM going for the throat of our National series by attempting to pilfer our best riders away.
That is unforgiveable.

This fan will celebrate when wSX fails...and it will. 

 

I’ll also be celebrating when wsx fails also. The way Reed came out and Adam Bailey about killing the Nationals they both can go to hell. 

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Que the down votes.... For all you people who don't get it, we, the international MX community, would like to see SX in person without it...

Que the down votes....

For all you people who don't get it, we, the international MX community, would like to see SX in person without it costing $10-$15k to fly to the US.

If the AMA won't, why shouldn't someone else try?

The US doesn't have a sole licence to ALL SX riders. If some want to pursue an International career and get paid for it, why shouldn't they?

To expect AMA / Feld kind of attendance in countries that have less population than most US states and considerably fewer dirt bike enthusiasts even than that is ridiculous

To expect a world series in its second building year to be attracting the top, top riders in the world and perform at the level we all are used to with the AMA/Feld SX Series, a series running nearly 50 years, is ridiculous.

How hard a concept is it to understand?

we don't have a problem with the rest of the world having supercross.  we have a problem with them calling it the world championship of supercross.  chumpionsip maybe.  roczen and frieze..pfft.

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