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lucero10x 10/22/2009 11:41am
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KMC440 wrote:
With the "fix-improvement" to the EFI why would you still have an electric start?

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That a good question.
If you have ever picked your bike up from a fall and had it started before you swung a leg over it you would not be asking such an elementary question.
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I prefer aluminum, because of the looks, no rusting, no re-painting. Looks more futurish! Smile

Also, personally I have newer experience broken alu-frames, and I have only own one new bike in my life. But I have personal experience with two broken steel frames.


Biggest diff is density verses rigidity. Aluminum has about 1/3? the density of steel but half the stiffness I think? That means you can increase the stiffness by swapping to aluminum. If I understand it, heat afterwards can alter steel significantly while it doesn't change aluminum as much.


I think it's also easier to a build a more adapted aluminum frame because of the possibility to alter strength more easy with thicker walls in the cast process rather than using a homolog steel tube?


I seems like aluminum is spelled like that in the US, while in GB you spell it aluminum.

Hey if KTM feels it's superior, good for them, but so far their steel solution hasn't wan a single test ever, and I get the impression that people in general prefer alu?
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DrSweden wrote:
I prefer aluminum, because of the looks, no rusting, no re-painting. Looks more futurish! Also, personally I have newer experience broken alu-frames, and I have only...
I prefer aluminum, because of the looks, no rusting, no re-painting. Looks more futurish! Smile

Also, personally I have newer experience broken alu-frames, and I have only own one new bike in my life. But I have personal experience with two broken steel frames.


Biggest diff is density verses rigidity. Aluminum has about 1/3? the density of steel but half the stiffness I think? That means you can increase the stiffness by swapping to aluminum. If I understand it, heat afterwards can alter steel significantly while it doesn't change aluminum as much.


I think it's also easier to a build a more adapted aluminum frame because of the possibility to alter strength more easy with thicker walls in the cast process rather than using a homolog steel tube?


I seems like aluminum is spelled like that in the US, while in GB you spell it aluminum.

Hey if KTM feels it's superior, good for them, but so far their steel solution hasn't wan a single test ever, and I get the impression that people in general prefer alu?
It probably doesn't win tests because people are used to the Aluminum and can't adjust to the steel frame in the length of time the test takes.
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It was second last year to the Kawi. So close yet so far away.

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Actually I can say I have welded alot less aluminum frames or even seen Alum. frames that have cracked in or around the welds or the base material itself. I use to always be welding motor mounts and frame tubes on my steel frame bikes thru the years.

Chromoly is alot cheaper in the manufacturing sense. It is alot easier to stamp pieces of ChR. then tube bending Alum. Plus it is easier to weld the frames using automation and less re-work involved on it. Sorry I am a welder and Engineer, I always look at welds on all the bikes.
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ehr400 wrote:
Actually I can say I have welded alot less aluminum frames or even seen Alum. frames that have cracked in or around the welds or the...
Actually I can say I have welded alot less aluminum frames or even seen Alum. frames that have cracked in or around the welds or the base material itself. I use to always be welding motor mounts and frame tubes on my steel frame bikes thru the years.

Chromoly is alot cheaper in the manufacturing sense. It is alot easier to stamp pieces of ChR. then tube bending Alum. Plus it is easier to weld the frames using automation and less re-work involved on it. Sorry I am a welder and Engineer, I always look at welds on all the bikes.
Yes but look at the thickness of the aluminium they are using. I was speaking more in a general sense. I have a whole fleet of aluminium trailers that develop cracks the old steel ones did not.
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Don't get me wrong Alum. has its down falls. When you build things out of Alum. It has to be designed with the material in mind. You cant design a weldment out of aluminum to with a steel design. When you weld Alum. the weld area is weaker then the parent metal, opposite with steel.

Are you talking semi trailers or personal ones.
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Semi trailers. I manage a fleet of 55 beverage trailers 5 draft trailers (big ones 38 foot)and 8 dry vans plus 3 small party trailers and all of the power for them plus other misc equipment. I was reffering to what I have seen over the last 36 years (since I was born basically) in dealing with equipment of all types. You are absolutely correct about weld strength but you knew that already.Smile
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catatonic 10/22/2009 5:03pm
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Is that still a STEEL frame? looks like it
Yeah......only guys like you NEED aluminum. something more for you to polish........poser.
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R-acer wrote:
Is that still a STEEL frame? looks like it
catatonic wrote:
Yeah......only guys like you NEED aluminum. something more for you to polish........poser.
Haha owned!
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Haven't you heard? He knows how a bike will handle, merely by sitting on it. If James were riding a KTM he'd have a deposit on one.
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TeamGreen 10/22/2009 6:39pm
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KTM foofoo'd linkage, too.

What's the sub-frame on a KTM made of?

I'm jus' sayin'...

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What's a KTM swing-arm made of?
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How do those KTM steel motor mounts holding up?
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TeamGreen wrote:
How do those KTM steel motor mounts holding up?
It's funny how these bikes are winning people over and some people just refuse to believe they are quality machines and throw them under the bus every chance they get.

They are good bikes, there are about 7 or so manufacturers that make great bikes...KTM is one of them. Get used to it. Ride your KX and STFU. Beat the orange ones if you can but dear god shut up about the ticky tack problems which EVERY manufacturer has. And quit acting like KTM is the only MFG of the big 5 with small issues. Grow the fuck up.
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TeamGreen 10/22/2009 7:38pm
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Lucero,

You're an idiot.

I've bought plenty of Katooms for employees and sponsored riders. Proll'y have Todd Thompson on one at the X-Games...you can find him on YouTube.

Back to the point: You're the one that oughta STFU...AFTER you answer the questions. We've made Carbon and Aluminum motor-mts for KTM-SX-Fs...THEY don't break.

We've even made sub-frame and shock bolts that stay in the bike, too.

Maybe you've missed my praise of Katoom smokers?

I think my major laughin'-point is how KTM talks smack about certain technologies...UNTIL they INCORPORATE THEM.

Clown.

I'm jus' sayin'...
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I have been racing MX and in woods for over 20 years and as far as handling, the alum frames do not impress me one way or other. Some of the best handling bikes I have ridden have been steel frames. Find someone that will argue that an RM250 is not one of the best handling ever. Steel frame...I have a 05YZ250 alum frame and an 03 125 and the 125 handles far better than the 05. They are very different bikes, but the frame does not make the 05 better for sure. I bought new CR250's for years and had three 96 CR250's (last year for steel) and never bought a 97 through 99 because of the ill handling alum frames. I like the looks of the alum better, but have not liked or disliked a bike's handling just because of steel or alum for what it's worth. Everyone has their own opinion, but I think alum was as much for marketing and bling as anything. Alum does clean up well with a scotch brite pad!
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lucero10x 10/22/2009 8:01pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Lucero, You're an idiot. I've bought plenty of Katooms for employees and sponsored riders. Proll'y have Todd Thompson on one at the X-Games...you can find him...
Lucero,

You're an idiot.

I've bought plenty of Katooms for employees and sponsored riders. Proll'y have Todd Thompson on one at the X-Games...you can find him on YouTube.

Back to the point: You're the one that oughta STFU...AFTER you answer the questions. We've made Carbon and Aluminum motor-mts for KTM-SX-Fs...THEY don't break.

We've even made sub-frame and shock bolts that stay in the bike, too.

Maybe you've missed my praise of Katoom smokers?

I think my major laughin'-point is how KTM talks smack about certain technologies...UNTIL they INCORPORATE THEM.

Clown.

I'm jus' sayin'...
Thanks for noticing I am an idiot.

I have bought plenty of KTM's for me. I will "Prolly" have me sponsored on one the next time I race. Don't look for me on youtube however, "prolly" won't find me there.

Ok, which questions am I gonna STFU after I answer em?

Did you put a little loc-tite on those bolts for the subframe and shock, is that how you got them to stay "in the bike, too?" That has always worked for me. Funny how I "prolly" didn't have to make a carbon fiber, or T-5 aluminum one to do that.

I did miss your praise of Katoom smokers. Is that a line of sausage smokers you use to smoke the sausages of people you will "prolly" be sponsoring? Should I look for that on youtube too?

Which technologies and in which context and when did they "talk smack" about them? How bad did they really talk smack? The laughing point about that is you "prolly" won't be able to back up your claim. Just because you incorporate one philosophy and accentuate it's positive features doesn't mean you are talking smack on the others.

I ask you to grow up and you call me an idiot and a clown? Nice. If we were to meet i would "prolly" think you were a douche.

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TeamGreen 10/22/2009 8:32pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Lucero, You're an idiot. I've bought plenty of Katooms for employees and sponsored riders. Proll'y have Todd Thompson on one at the X-Games...you can find him...
Lucero,

You're an idiot.

I've bought plenty of Katooms for employees and sponsored riders. Proll'y have Todd Thompson on one at the X-Games...you can find him on YouTube.

Back to the point: You're the one that oughta STFU...AFTER you answer the questions. We've made Carbon and Aluminum motor-mts for KTM-SX-Fs...THEY don't break.

We've even made sub-frame and shock bolts that stay in the bike, too.

Maybe you've missed my praise of Katoom smokers?

I think my major laughin'-point is how KTM talks smack about certain technologies...UNTIL they INCORPORATE THEM.

Clown.

I'm jus' sayin'...
lucero10x wrote:
Thanks for noticing I am an idiot. I have bought plenty of KTM's for me. I will "Prolly" have me sponsored on one the next time...
Thanks for noticing I am an idiot.

I have bought plenty of KTM's for me. I will "Prolly" have me sponsored on one the next time I race. Don't look for me on youtube however, "prolly" won't find me there.

Ok, which questions am I gonna STFU after I answer em?

Did you put a little loc-tite on those bolts for the subframe and shock, is that how you got them to stay "in the bike, too?" That has always worked for me. Funny how I "prolly" didn't have to make a carbon fiber, or T-5 aluminum one to do that.

I did miss your praise of Katoom smokers. Is that a line of sausage smokers you use to smoke the sausages of people you will "prolly" be sponsoring? Should I look for that on youtube too?

Which technologies and in which context and when did they "talk smack" about them? How bad did they really talk smack? The laughing point about that is you "prolly" won't be able to back up your claim. Just because you incorporate one philosophy and accentuate it's positive features doesn't mean you are talking smack on the others.

I ask you to grow up and you call me an idiot and a clown? Nice. If we were to meet i would "prolly" think you were a douche.
On the Idiot thing, you're welcome.

I won't look for you on 'tube...you won't be there...No surprise, either.

Loc-tite? Sure thing. Still, the stock fasteners had to go.

Smokin' Sausage? Wow, did you really write that? You Homo-Phobic or something?

What "Technologies", Princess? We'll start with Linkage.

As for "douche"? Why, yes, I hope you...or the likes of you...would consider me a "douche".

Now, Princess, let me explain the concept of "Replying in-Kind":

Here's the majority of your post...

"They are good bikes, there are about 7 or so manufacturers that make great bikes...KTM is one of them. Get used to it. Ride your KX and STFU. Beat the orange ones if you can but dear god shut up about the ticky tack problems which EVERY manufacturer has. And quit acting like KTM is the only MFG of the big 5 with small issues. Grow the fuck up."

I prolly jus' responded "In-Kind"

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Wow. It is funny we were talking about the differences in frames and what not and my buddy called me to weld his frame on his 2008 250 SX. Broke in 2 spots. I personally have never owned a KTM but I think they are high quality bikes, minus gas caps that leak and shock bolts that disappear, but i really like them actually.
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catatonic 10/23/2009 3:31am
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ehr400 wrote:
Wow. It is funny we were talking about the differences in frames and what not and my buddy called me to weld his frame on his...
Wow. It is funny we were talking about the differences in frames and what not and my buddy called me to weld his frame on his 2008 250 SX. Broke in 2 spots. I personally have never owned a KTM but I think they are high quality bikes, minus gas caps that leak and shock bolts that disappear, but i really like them actually.
I broke the foot peg mount on my '03 450sx
I also had to weld both footpeg mounts on my '05 525 sx.....I noticed them starting to crack.
Thats hardly a small issue if they broke at the wrong time.
The shock bolts will come out.....nothing a little loc-tite wont cure.
The gas cap design is the dumbest idea ever.
With that said I really like the orange bikes......everything has issues.
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catatonic!
Do you still have the 05 525? How much do you want for it?
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RMZ819 10/23/2009 4:07am
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DrSweden wrote:
I prefer aluminum, because of the looks, no rusting, no re-painting. Looks more futurish! Also, personally I have newer experience broken alu-frames, and I have only...
I prefer aluminum, because of the looks, no rusting, no re-painting. Looks more futurish! Smile

Also, personally I have newer experience broken alu-frames, and I have only own one new bike in my life. But I have personal experience with two broken steel frames.


Biggest diff is density verses rigidity. Aluminum has about 1/3? the density of steel but half the stiffness I think? That means you can increase the stiffness by swapping to aluminum. If I understand it, heat afterwards can alter steel significantly while it doesn't change aluminum as much.


I think it's also easier to a build a more adapted aluminum frame because of the possibility to alter strength more easy with thicker walls in the cast process rather than using a homolog steel tube?


I seems like aluminum is spelled like that in the US, while in GB you spell it aluminum.

Hey if KTM feels it's superior, good for them, but so far their steel solution hasn't wan a single test ever, and I get the impression that people in general prefer alu?
ktmdan wrote:
It probably doesn't win tests because people are used to the Aluminum and can't adjust to the steel frame in the length of time the test...
It probably doesn't win tests because people are used to the Aluminum and can't adjust to the steel frame in the length of time the test takes.
It pobably does not win a test because every wannabe fucking test rider rides a jap bike and is looking for free swag. Get 4 KTM riders to do one of these bullshit test and watch what the bike of the yr would be.
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You know that is what I told my buddy on his 250 SX for his shock bolt. He did that twice and it still came out. When I looked at it closer the nut that is welded to the frame was off center causing the treads to be partly crushed/ cross threaded on one side. He got a longer bolt and we put a Nyloc nut on it. No issues 3 years later.
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ehr400 wrote:
Wow. It is funny we were talking about the differences in frames and what not and my buddy called me to weld his frame on his...
Wow. It is funny we were talking about the differences in frames and what not and my buddy called me to weld his frame on his 2008 250 SX. Broke in 2 spots. I personally have never owned a KTM but I think they are high quality bikes, minus gas caps that leak and shock bolts that disappear, but i really like them actually.
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I broke the foot peg mount on my '03 450sx I also had to weld both footpeg mounts on my '05 525 sx.....I noticed them starting...
I broke the foot peg mount on my '03 450sx
I also had to weld both footpeg mounts on my '05 525 sx.....I noticed them starting to crack.
Thats hardly a small issue if they broke at the wrong time.
The shock bolts will come out.....nothing a little loc-tite wont cure.
The gas cap design is the dumbest idea ever.
With that said I really like the orange bikes......everything has issues.
Mine broke while qualifying for LMS.
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ehr400 wrote:
Wow. It is funny we were talking about the differences in frames and what not and my buddy called me to weld his frame on his...
Wow. It is funny we were talking about the differences in frames and what not and my buddy called me to weld his frame on his 2008 250 SX. Broke in 2 spots. I personally have never owned a KTM but I think they are high quality bikes, minus gas caps that leak and shock bolts that disappear, but i really like them actually.
catatonic wrote:
I broke the foot peg mount on my '03 450sx I also had to weld both footpeg mounts on my '05 525 sx.....I noticed them starting...
I broke the foot peg mount on my '03 450sx
I also had to weld both footpeg mounts on my '05 525 sx.....I noticed them starting to crack.
Thats hardly a small issue if they broke at the wrong time.
The shock bolts will come out.....nothing a little loc-tite wont cure.
The gas cap design is the dumbest idea ever.
With that said I really like the orange bikes......everything has issues.
ktmdan wrote:
Mine broke while qualifying for LMS.
Okay where do I look for the broke frame, what are the week area's as I have a 2009 sx250.

They sent out a recall on the caps in 2007, ours did not leak and our 2009 does not leak either.
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catatonic wrote:
I broke the foot peg mount on my '03 450sx I also had to weld both footpeg mounts on my '05 525 sx.....I noticed them starting...
I broke the foot peg mount on my '03 450sx
I also had to weld both footpeg mounts on my '05 525 sx.....I noticed them starting to crack.
Thats hardly a small issue if they broke at the wrong time.
The shock bolts will come out.....nothing a little loc-tite wont cure.
The gas cap design is the dumbest idea ever.
With that said I really like the orange bikes......everything has issues.
ktmdan wrote:
Mine broke while qualifying for LMS.
pdubfiddy wrote:
Okay where do I look for the broke frame, what are the week area's as I have a 2009 sx250. They sent out a recall on...
Okay where do I look for the broke frame, what are the week area's as I have a 2009 sx250.

They sent out a recall on the caps in 2007, ours did not leak and our 2009 does not leak either.
I have noticed near the motor mounts areas is where the cracks occured. The frame tubes weren't smashed by any means either. My friend was a fast "B" rider in his day. Also it cracked on tube below the gas tank where it meets the spars towards the top shock mount. I should have looked closer at it when his pipe cracked, obviously was either cracked or starting deflect alot.
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PaleBlue 10/23/2009 9:13am
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ktmdan wrote:
Mine broke while qualifying for LMS.
pdubfiddy wrote:
Okay where do I look for the broke frame, what are the week area's as I have a 2009 sx250. They sent out a recall on...
Okay where do I look for the broke frame, what are the week area's as I have a 2009 sx250.

They sent out a recall on the caps in 2007, ours did not leak and our 2009 does not leak either.
ehr400 wrote:
I have noticed near the motor mounts areas is where the cracks occured. The frame tubes weren't smashed by any means either. My friend was a...
I have noticed near the motor mounts areas is where the cracks occured. The frame tubes weren't smashed by any means either. My friend was a fast "B" rider in his day. Also it cracked on tube below the gas tank where it meets the spars towards the top shock mount. I should have looked closer at it when his pipe cracked, obviously was either cracked or starting deflect alot.
Was his rear shock bottoming out over big jumps? That will cause that sort of cracking (from personal experience!) Tongue
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Metal fatique, vibration. Numerous things.

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