Suzuki already has all the pieces

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Once again, it’s about options. If they came out with an E bike and only sold 500 a year you’d be doing naked cartwheels in your...

Once again, it’s about options. If they came out with an E bike and only sold 500 a year you’d be doing naked cartwheels in your living room

#434 wrote:

Options, right. Which option do you think Suzuki should put their money in: - two strokes: re-establish the production line for a 15 year old bike...

Options, right. Which option do you think Suzuki should put their money in:

- two strokes: re-establish the production line for a 15 year old bike, which actually looks 15 years old and let it compete against a recently updated, fresh looking YZ and an ultra-trick EFI-SX250

- four-stroke: slightly update the 450 that just won a supercross. 

- electric: develop a bike for a segment in which a guy, who never worked for a motorcycle manufacturer and founded a company from scratch, has over 15.000 orders in his bag for a bike only a few journalists have ever ridden a prototype of. Think what a brand with a reputation and history in MX could do. 
 

Question: how much revenue would the RMs make Suzuki if they‘d sell them in the same numbers Yamaha sells their twostrokes (apparently 1000 units per year)?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Question: how many Starks have actually been sold for MSRP? Currently it’s just a $100 feel good story

-MAVERICK- wrote:

1000 YZs sold is still more than RMZs sold. Not bad for "antiquated" bikes. 

#434 wrote:

100%! That Yamaha keeps selling the YZ makes total sense to me. Bike has a good reputation, production line is set and marketing in place.  The...

100%! That Yamaha keeps selling the YZ makes total sense to me. Bike has a good reputation, production line is set and marketing in place. 
The RM however… do you think the tooling and everything is still useable? Setting up production and the marketing campaign to reintroduce the bike to customers and dealers would probably eat up the revenue from 5 years of selling a thousand units per year alone. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

The RM would probably need a little updating in terms of look, but if Suzuki would produce 1000 units, I would bet they'd sell everyone one...

The RM would probably need a little updating in terms of look, but if Suzuki would produce 1000 units, I would bet they'd sell everyone one of them before selling out of the RMZs. 

Marketing. All they would need to do is put out some videos and people would be lining up at the dealers to put their deposits down. 

People put a deposit down on the Varg when it was still a concept from an unknown company. 

You don't think people would be lining up to put a deposit down on a new Suzuki 2 stroke? They're a reputable company and their last two stroke was practically a yellow YZ.  

#434 wrote:

Options, right. Which option do you think Suzuki should put their money in: - two strokes: re-establish the production line for a 15 year old bike...

Options, right. Which option do you think Suzuki should put their money in:

- two strokes: re-establish the production line for a 15 year old bike, which actually looks 15 years old and let it compete against a recently updated, fresh looking YZ and an ultra-trick EFI-SX250

- four-stroke: slightly update the 450 that just won a supercross. 

- electric: develop a bike for a segment in which a guy, who never worked for a motorcycle manufacturer and founded a company from scratch, has over 15.000 orders in his bag for a bike only a few journalists have ever ridden a prototype of. Think what a brand with a reputation and history in MX could do. 
 

Question: how much revenue would the RMs make Suzuki if they‘d sell them in the same numbers Yamaha sells their twostrokes (apparently 1000 units per year)?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Question: how many Starks have actually been sold for MSRP? Currently it’s just a $100 feel good story

#434 wrote:

Yawn! How about actually discussing the points I‘m making?   BTW, the import message you and a lot of others are straight up denying: eMX bikes...

Yawn! How about actually discussing the points I‘m making?

 

BTW, the import message you and a lot of others are straight up denying:

eMX bikes are here to stay!

The response of the market said it all. People want these things and all the manufactures know it now. Even if Stark goes bankrupt or if they run away with the money. Electric motocross bikes showed their potential and they’re coming faster than you think. 

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Question: how many Starks have actually been sold for MSRP? Currently it’s just a $100 feel good story

#434 wrote:

Yawn! How about actually discussing the points I‘m making?   BTW, the import message you and a lot of others are straight up denying: eMX bikes...

Yawn! How about actually discussing the points I‘m making?

 

BTW, the import message you and a lot of others are straight up denying:

eMX bikes are here to stay!

The response of the market said it all. People want these things and all the manufactures know it now. Even if Stark goes bankrupt or if they run away with the money. Electric motocross bikes showed their potential and they’re coming faster than you think. 

Johnny Ringo wrote:

“Here to stay”? That implies they are prevalent locally.. I’ve yet to see an Emx bike in person.

I do see lots of two strokes though. 

#434 wrote:

Yawn! How about actually discussing the points I‘m making?   BTW, the import message you and a lot of others are straight up denying: eMX bikes...

Yawn! How about actually discussing the points I‘m making?

 

BTW, the import message you and a lot of others are straight up denying:

eMX bikes are here to stay!

The response of the market said it all. People want these things and all the manufactures know it now. Even if Stark goes bankrupt or if they run away with the money. Electric motocross bikes showed their potential and they’re coming faster than you think. 

Johnny Ringo wrote:

“Here to stay”? That implies they are prevalent locally.. I’ve yet to see an Emx bike in person.

I do see lots of two strokes though. 

#434 wrote:

So, no response to my post where I asked you where you think Suzuki should put their money? 2T, 4T,eMX? What would be your strategy short...

So, no response to my post where I asked you where you think Suzuki should put their money? 2T, 4T,eMX? What would be your strategy short and longterm?

Come on!

Spoonguy wrote:

Pretty certain Triumph, Beta, and Ducati will have a race ready 450 before Suzuki. Suzuki has simply moved on, like a lot of companies do in...

Pretty certain Triumph, Beta, and Ducati will have a race ready 450 before Suzuki. Suzuki has simply moved on, like a lot of companies do in a lot of ventures.

#434 wrote:

6000 bucks for a 20 year old bike? Sure.. they‘d sell about as many as they sell 450s now. 

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

The same business model has worked for Yamaha with the YZ125 & YZ250. new fenders and plastic and you've got a '24. They would sell great...

The same business model has worked for Yamaha with the YZ125 & YZ250. new fenders and plastic and you've got a '24. They would sell great, because people who particularly want a 2-stroke mx bike have only had two options for the last 16 years- they'd jump at the chance of a different brand.

#434 wrote:

The YZ125 got a big engine update, both bikes have redesigned body work, the best and most recent stuff from kyb, new brakes and just look...

The YZ125 got a big engine update, both bikes have redesigned body work, the best and most recent stuff from kyb, new brakes and just look fresh. How does an RM250 look like? Yeah, at least 15 years old.. so, no that wouldn’t work and don’t forget: Yamaha sells around a 1000 YZs per year. That’s not a lot..