Mxgp vs ama pro motocross?

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mxb2 wrote:
Yep, like i said if the 450 mxgp title was that important he would have stayed to race it.

It‘s about money,nothing else.

moto12356999 3/8/2023 12:36pm
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If you look in the Vault there are plenty more that come to the AMA series, than go to Luongo's series. I wonder if people race...

If you look in the Vault there are plenty more that come to the AMA series, than go to Luongo's series. I wonder if people race the AMA series for mercenary reasons, does that mean people race Luongo's series for humanitarian reasons? Have some races in Qatar to help justify human rights violations maybe?

It’s a small percentage that head over to US.

Taking on factory Ktm - Honda elite is a big ask in MXGP, so if you fancy your chances at a 250 Regional Sx, then that maybe easier option for a rider like Ferrandis. Trouble is he’s now past that & the realities of 450 sx is biting. Maybe he would have been better off mastering outdoors in MxGP after all.

 

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How about a USGP race every year? 

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mxb2 wrote:
Yep, like i said if the 450 mxgp title was that important he would have stayed to race it.
Bonanza69 wrote:

It‘s about money,nothing else.

Exactly. $$. Over prestige , but some get upset some dont race mxon for free lol. But prep for their $$ contracts
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moto12356999 3/8/2023 1:28pm
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OleTex wrote:

How about a USGP race every year? 

There definitely should be a USGP every year, there should also be at least one US MXGP rider competing for the title every year.
 

These things go together.

It’s kinda ironic that what has brought the most success to AMA (sx) is also what’s holding it back... 

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The point isn't that one set of riders is better than the other, both sides of the pond have great riders, especially the girl that scored points in a world championship round. The point is Luongo is destroying the prestige and importance of the world championship. Vialle wanted to come here, no current AMA champ wants to race MXGP. Look at the international prestige MotoGP has in roadracing, MXGP should hold that importance in dirt biking, but it doesn't. Not even close.

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The elephant in the room for Euro/MXGP fans is that there is a very legitimate argument to be made that racing in the USA has a...

The elephant in the room for Euro/MXGP fans is that there is a very legitimate argument to be made that racing in the USA has a more diverse condition of tracks and nationality/heritage of racers. Washougal to Southwick to Glen Helen to Anaheim SX is a pretty diverse challenge to race and prepare for. Racing in the USA has racers with nationalities/heritage ranging from Asia, Africa, Europe, Australasia. For that matter Tomac, Cooper, and Sexton may have grown up a farther distance apart and in more diverse environments than Gajser, Seewer, and Prado. I don't believe the GPs have had a racer of Asian descent since Akira Watanabe in the 70s, other than flyaway fill ins, and have never had a champion that wasn't Caucasian since him. And just because you have 40 borders in Europe doesn't mean diversity, the state of Texas alone is bigger than France or Germany, and has a more varied climate and terrain than either country. Of course, the GPs do have women racers score points, something that never happens in AMA racing, so I guess that adds to the diversity. It's interesting to note many MXGP riders, along with MotoGP and WSBK riders, train in the USA in the winter. Nobody who races AMA trains in Europe.

Your MXGP vs county fair purses show how little you know about MXGP. Please stop with the chest beating with your legitimate argument stretch and the rest of your diversity nonsense.  

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mxb2 wrote:
Yep, like i said if the 450 mxgp title was that important he would have stayed to race it.
Bonanza69 wrote:

It‘s about money,nothing else.

mxb2 wrote:
Exactly. $$. Over prestige , but some get upset some dont race mxon for free lol. But prep for their $$ contracts

Why was your A-Team on the start last year?

National pride on home soil or money?

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Spoonguy wrote:
The point isn't that one set of riders is better than the other, both sides of the pond have great riders, especially the girl that scored...

The point isn't that one set of riders is better than the other, both sides of the pond have great riders, especially the girl that scored points in a world championship round. The point is Luongo is destroying the prestige and importance of the world championship. Vialle wanted to come here, no current AMA champ wants to race MXGP. Look at the international prestige MotoGP has in roadracing, MXGP should hold that importance in dirt biking, but it doesn't. Not even close.

Wrong info.. Vialle got into a beef with his ktm team here in Europe, he had a contract for Mxgp 2023-2024. But this beef forced him to go.

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Bonanza69 wrote:

It‘s about money,nothing else.

mxb2 wrote:
Exactly. $$. Over prestige , but some get upset some dont race mxon for free lol. But prep for their $$ contracts
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Why was your A-Team on the start last year?

National pride on home soil or money?

No idea, its up to them to decide and the team. You missed my point
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The point isn't that one set of riders is better than the other, both sides of the pond have great riders, especially the girl that scored...

The point isn't that one set of riders is better than the other, both sides of the pond have great riders, especially the girl that scored points in a world championship round. The point is Luongo is destroying the prestige and importance of the world championship. Vialle wanted to come here, no current AMA champ wants to race MXGP. Look at the international prestige MotoGP has in roadracing, MXGP should hold that importance in dirt biking, but it doesn't. Not even close.

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Wrong info.. Vialle got into a beef with his ktm team here in Europe, he had a contract for Mxgp 2023-2024. But this beef forced him...

Wrong info.. Vialle got into a beef with his ktm team here in Europe, he had a contract for Mxgp 2023-2024. But this beef forced him to go.

Lots of riders over here get into beefs with their teams. 

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moto12356999 3/9/2023 5:29am
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No idea, its up to them to decide and the team. You missed my point

Your point is out of date anyway.

Nowadays money comes from your profile, just look at boxing. 
 

A rider who’s active on social media, wins sx, win or represents their country at MXON, becomes a world champion with MXGP, these riders are raising their profiles internationally.

Greater the profile greater the income.

 

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mxb2 wrote:
No idea, its up to them to decide and the team. You missed my point
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Your point is out of date anyway. Nowadays money comes from your profile, just look at boxing.    A rider who’s active on social media, wins...

Your point is out of date anyway.

Nowadays money comes from your profile, just look at boxing. 
 

A rider who’s active on social media, wins sx, win or represents their country at MXON, becomes a world champion with MXGP, these riders are raising their profiles internationally.

Greater the profile greater the income.

 

Ok .lol
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mxb2 wrote:
Exactly. $$. Over prestige , but some get upset some dont race mxon for free lol. But prep for their $$ contracts
Bonanza69 wrote:

Why was your A-Team on the start last year?

National pride on home soil or money?

mxb2 wrote:
No idea, its up to them to decide and the team. You missed my point

Classic excuse once again!!!!

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Bonanza69 wrote:

Why was your A-Team on the start last year?

National pride on home soil or money?

mxb2 wrote:
No idea, its up to them to decide and the team. You missed my point
Bonanza69 wrote:

Classic excuse once again!!!!

Excuse. Lol. Ok, i said i didnt know. Still waiting on why. The euro guys didnt race mxon certain years, hmmm. Dont use the excuse they were racing the ama series. They flat turned it down. Lmao
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Fuck mxgp and ama pro motocross 

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 Pala is still the biggest shit hole in either championship, rubber stamped year after year by MX sports.

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moto12356999 wrote:
Another idea could be, at the end of each us national series, the top 2 in each class get automatic factory positions within MXGP.    So...

Another idea could be, at the end of each us national series, the top 2 in each class get automatic factory positions within MXGP. 
 

So in essence the US nationals can become another feeder system to MXGP, similar to how EMX works. 

 

If the AMA Nationals,and motocross in America is second class to MXGP,why bother posting here

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moto12356999 wrote:
Another idea could be, at the end of each us national series, the top 2 in each class get automatic factory positions within MXGP.    So...

Another idea could be, at the end of each us national series, the top 2 in each class get automatic factory positions within MXGP. 
 

So in essence the US nationals can become another feeder system to MXGP, similar to how EMX works. 

 

SEMAC wrote:

If the AMA Nationals,and motocross in America is second class to MXGP,why bother posting here

Exactly
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moto12356999 wrote:
Another idea could be, at the end of each us national series, the top 2 in each class get automatic factory positions within MXGP.    So...

Another idea could be, at the end of each us national series, the top 2 in each class get automatic factory positions within MXGP. 
 

So in essence the US nationals can become another feeder system to MXGP, similar to how EMX works. 

 

SEMAC wrote:

If the AMA Nationals,and motocross in America is second class to MXGP,why bother posting here

Can he not be a fan a both series? Just because he ranks MXGP above AMA it doesn't mean he can't enjoy both series. 

There's great racing to be watched across the world. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
The point isn't that one set of riders is better than the other, both sides of the pond have great riders, especially the girl that scored...

The point isn't that one set of riders is better than the other, both sides of the pond have great riders, especially the girl that scored points in a world championship round. The point is Luongo is destroying the prestige and importance of the world championship. Vialle wanted to come here, no current AMA champ wants to race MXGP. Look at the international prestige MotoGP has in roadracing, MXGP should hold that importance in dirt biking, but it doesn't. Not even close.

JOLS95 wrote:
Wrong info.. Vialle got into a beef with his ktm team here in Europe, he had a contract for Mxgp 2023-2024. But this beef forced him...

Wrong info.. Vialle got into a beef with his ktm team here in Europe, he had a contract for Mxgp 2023-2024. But this beef forced him to go.

Spoonguy wrote:

Lots of riders over here get into beefs with their teams. 

Lots of posters get it wrong about racing on the other side of the Atlantic.  

Thank you JOLS95 for providing facts instead of the American "my dad's faster than your dad!" fan spin on Vialle.

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moto12356999 wrote:
Another idea could be, at the end of each us national series, the top 2 in each class get automatic factory positions within MXGP.    So...

Another idea could be, at the end of each us national series, the top 2 in each class get automatic factory positions within MXGP. 
 

So in essence the US nationals can become another feeder system to MXGP, similar to how EMX works. 

 

SEMAC wrote:

If the AMA Nationals,and motocross in America is second class to MXGP,why bother posting here

-MAVERICK- wrote:
Can he not be a fan a both series? Just because he ranks MXGP above AMA it doesn't mean he can't enjoy both series.  There's great...

Can he not be a fan a both series? Just because he ranks MXGP above AMA it doesn't mean he can't enjoy both series. 

There's great racing to be watched across the world. 

I like all.the series sx. Mx. Mxgp etc, but i like truth and facts also. Lol
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mxb2 wrote:
No idea, its up to them to decide and the team. You missed my point
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Classic excuse once again!!!!

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Excuse. Lol. Ok, i said i didnt know. Still waiting on why. The euro guys didnt race mxon certain years, hmmm. Dont use the excuse they...
Excuse. Lol. Ok, i said i didnt know. Still waiting on why. The euro guys didnt race mxon certain years, hmmm. Dont use the excuse they were racing the ama series. They flat turned it down. Lmao

You are very talented to turn the tables.lol

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Bonanza69 wrote:

Classic excuse once again!!!!

mxb2 wrote:
Excuse. Lol. Ok, i said i didnt know. Still waiting on why. The euro guys didnt race mxon certain years, hmmm. Dont use the excuse they...
Excuse. Lol. Ok, i said i didnt know. Still waiting on why. The euro guys didnt race mxon certain years, hmmm. Dont use the excuse they were racing the ama series. They flat turned it down. Lmao
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You are very talented to turn the tables.lol

Likewise
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