Heard this in the Matthes Podcast........

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I believe I heard correctly that Nick Wey "leased" his engine from JGRMX this year. With 4-Stroke hop-ups as expensive as they are, this sounds like a great plan for the average privateer who doesn't have the expendable budget that the factories have.

For the weekend warrior competing for the local series, would you, the average rider "lease" a motor from say JGRMX or Pro CIrcuit? Smile
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eurohero 9/8/2009 4:41pm
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you couldn't afford it and they wouldn't let you if you had the money and the same goes for the "average privateer" and the "weekend warrior" that you referenced.

Did you also hear the part where Matthes said that it was not something they advertised much, there is a reason. Would Backyard Bob be able to get his hands on a NASCAR engine for his racecar? They lease their race motors too.
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titanmx61 9/8/2009 4:56pm
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For the price it costs a privateer to beef up their motor AND keep it running, a company could easily keep the cost down and run an effective lease program.
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Matthes 9/8/2009 5:28pm
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eurohero wrote:
you couldn't afford it and they wouldn't let you if you had the money and the same goes for the "average privateer" and the "weekend warrior"...
you couldn't afford it and they wouldn't let you if you had the money and the same goes for the "average privateer" and the "weekend warrior" that you referenced.

Did you also hear the part where Matthes said that it was not something they advertised much, there is a reason. Would Backyard Bob be able to get his hands on a NASCAR engine for his racecar? They lease their race motors too.
Actually that's not it at all, they will sell to anyone. What I meant was that I have seen the ads and such but that they haven't launched the program officially just yet.

The way I understood it was that it's open to anyone that has the cash.
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Interesting point about the benefit of a change from Factory teams to Factory Support teams. It was mentioned that it would allow the teams to change the colour of the bikes. This simple act will present a better opportunity for teams to represent outside sponsors.

Something as simple as that could be the saviour of many riders and teams.

And BTW - Great Podcast again Matthes .

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titanmx61 9/8/2009 6:11pm
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felpro wrote:
Interesting point about the benefit of a change from Factory teams to Factory Support teams. It was mentioned that it would allow the teams to change...
Interesting point about the benefit of a change from Factory teams to Factory Support teams. It was mentioned that it would allow the teams to change the colour of the bikes. This simple act will present a better opportunity for teams to represent outside sponsors.

Something as simple as that could be the saviour of many riders and teams.

And BTW - Great Podcast again Matthes .
I agree with felpro that this could evolve the way teams are fielded in our sport, and this could be a blessing to many riders that aren't privileged to the near-factory motor technology. Every privateer salivates at the chance to ride a mod bike, especially the Lites guys.
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Wow, thats serious commitment by Gibbs.
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titanmx61 wrote:
I believe I heard correctly that Nick Wey "leased" his engine from JGRMX this year. With 4-Stroke hop-ups as expensive as they are, this sounds like...
I believe I heard correctly that Nick Wey "leased" his engine from JGRMX this year. With 4-Stroke hop-ups as expensive as they are, this sounds like a great plan for the average privateer who doesn't have the expendable budget that the factories have.

For the weekend warrior competing for the local series, would you, the average rider "lease" a motor from say JGRMX or Pro CIrcuit? Smile
what dumbshit would actually spend more money on a 450 upgrade?

oh wait...i'm at vital where fucking stupid wannabees abound
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titanmx61 wrote:
I believe I heard correctly that Nick Wey "leased" his engine from JGRMX this year. With 4-Stroke hop-ups as expensive as they are, this sounds like...
I believe I heard correctly that Nick Wey "leased" his engine from JGRMX this year. With 4-Stroke hop-ups as expensive as they are, this sounds like a great plan for the average privateer who doesn't have the expendable budget that the factories have.

For the weekend warrior competing for the local series, would you, the average rider "lease" a motor from say JGRMX or Pro CIrcuit? Smile
btw...yer a dumbshit.
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OLD NEWS!! But thanks mxer146 for the links
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Do they do 2stroke motor work also?
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titanmx61 wrote:
I believe I heard correctly that Nick Wey "leased" his engine from JGRMX this year. With 4-Stroke hop-ups as expensive as they are, this sounds like...
I believe I heard correctly that Nick Wey "leased" his engine from JGRMX this year. With 4-Stroke hop-ups as expensive as they are, this sounds like a great plan for the average privateer who doesn't have the expendable budget that the factories have.

For the weekend warrior competing for the local series, would you, the average rider "lease" a motor from say JGRMX or Pro CIrcuit? Smile
BobbyM wrote:
what dumbshit would actually spend more money on a 450 upgrade?

oh wait...i'm at vital where fucking stupid wannabees abound
yeah I thought 4 stks were already too fast and never wore out
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BobbyM wrote:
what dumbshit would actually spend more money on a 450 upgrade?

oh wait...i'm at vital where fucking stupid wannabees abound
so says the wannabee with 7855 post.
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...kind of ironic to see Josh Grant at the top of that motor ad,

Have his ankles healed from X Games yet??
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I like this. This is one of the BENEFITS that mx will gain from having a NASCAR related team in the sport. It's common for Nascar teams to lease/sell/rent engines, cars, chassis etc to other racers. I think this could really help the sport progress forward.

How long before we have multiple teams that have done extensive testing and r&d on each part of a motocross bike? Those teams and companies could easily be producing technology much better than what's sold to the public in a couple years. And I'm talking about better than what the aftermarket is doing now.
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Leasing motor's is a good concept. But in doing so it's like becoming a credit card company. Now you have to make sure they aren't stolen from you..

and that your technology isnt' stolen.

For the top pro's this sounds somewhat reasonable. But with the alessi rumors about his shock...doesn't inspire confidence.

And at the amatuer level...would be hard to control

In any case good to see outside development.
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BobbyM wrote:
what dumbshit would actually spend more money on a 450 upgrade?

oh wait...i'm at vital where fucking stupid wannabees abound
1911 wrote:
so says the wannabee with 7855 post.
Bobby can only remember 10 of them though.
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titanmx61 9/9/2009 4:30am
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BobbyM wrote:
what dumbshit would actually spend more money on a 450 upgrade?

oh wait...i'm at vital where fucking stupid wannabees abound
1911 wrote:
so says the wannabee with 7855 post.
41NDT wrote:
Bobby can only remember 10 of them though.
And for some reason everyone always assumes when you talk about making something faster, it's always a 450. Lay off the 5 hour Energy!

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How does this work?
In order to keep the R&D do they bolt it in before tech and give it back after the 2nd moto or does he have the luxury of running one all week?
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My guess is the engines are probably sealed and tagged.

Almost like a auto companies warranty. It a motor is tinkered with, it is null and void for warranty and consumer has to eat the cost.

As for the machining etc. i am sure they can tell if their unique designs were copied some how.
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BobbyM 9/9/2009 8:50am
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BobbyM wrote:
what dumbshit would actually spend more money on a 450 upgrade?

oh wait...i'm at vital where fucking stupid wannabees abound
1911 wrote:
so says the wannabee with 7855 post.
41NDT wrote:
Bobby can only remember 10 of them though.
remember what.....?Smile
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I would rather have works suspension then a motor, I know those motors are fast but if you can't control your bike your not going fast
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aggiemoto99 wrote:
Leasing motor's is a good concept. But in doing so it's like becoming a credit card company. Now you have to make sure they aren't stolen...
Leasing motor's is a good concept. But in doing so it's like becoming a credit card company. Now you have to make sure they aren't stolen from you..

and that your technology isnt' stolen.

For the top pro's this sounds somewhat reasonable. But with the alessi rumors about his shock...doesn't inspire confidence.

And at the amatuer level...would be hard to control

In any case good to see outside development.
I know of one fast int. amateur rider running there motors right now. He gets a fresh one at the beginning of a national and they had there guys there to pull it out at the end of the week. He said it was one of the fastest bikes he ever rode.
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DAG 9/9/2009 3:05pm
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NASCAR operates under a pretty regimented policy depending on the lease program. In addition to the actual motor you also have a guy who comes to every race and is there to monitor/jet/take care of the motor. You pay a hefty fee for all of this. Millions per year per car. The IRL also operates under a lease program and Honda has people there that monitor the telemtry as the car is going around the track. If it completes too many laps or revs too high you get dinged fees.

I have heard that Hendrick will take any motor out of their top flight cars and provide it to any of their customers if that customer deems it necessary but I haven't heard it being done. I personally doubt thatthe 48 and 24 have the same motors as the Hendrick customer cars but I can't say that based on fact.

The JGR program will be good for the sport in the long run. I don't believe that any motor company will release their best stuff to the average public as many parts are just too short termed engineered to take the beating/lack of maintance that a typical person could provide. With that though I think that the average pro could still benifit from the development done by JGRMX even if it is a few months old. There old stuff would still be better quality than the back woods motor guy could typically provide. Of course there are many talented small shops that make good products but I wonder if the quality control over the long term could be sustained. A big shop can do this better due to their buying power and machining capabilities

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