MOTUL oil

JMB8fan - sent you a PM on some of the green goodness (300v) fyi. 

 Have used Motul since 1993 in all my MX bikes never had any problems, Great oil.

ok well shoot … needed to get to free shipping on RMATV and ordered a liter of the 300v 10w50 to try, it’s been some time since I ran it in my 2016 KX450 and will give it a go! 

Motul is top shelf and proven time and again in competition. Their racing brake fluids are some of the most dependable out there also.

They have solid support for motorsport around the world from the US to Europe to Japan, which is cool. They aren't the only good company, of course, but they're certainly one of them. 

I use it for my premix. Top notch stuff. 

I haven't used anything but Belray (50:1) since the late 70's, but thinking of switching to Motul becuase the dealer has it in stock and it seems to get good reviews.  Hard to change brands after about 40 years! 

What would compel you to run 80:1? You should see how clean crude oil runs at 100:1 or  even 150:1. We have tested oil at insane lean ratios and literally there is no good coming from it.

80:1 would be OK for a trials guy idling on a boulder for a minute, hopping to another boulder and idling for a minute, or maybe grandpa riding to go get his mail.

Even these crazy ratios "recommended". Yes it works. Hell, with a loose enough engine, 150:1 might survive, but engine wear increases through the roof and again, why? 

Even ask a reputable HONEST saw shop what they recommend for saws being used all day every day and it sure isn't 50:1.

In 2018, we were behind the start box or Red Bull straight rhythm.  I never seen 2 race bikes more loaded up after a full throttle run than Dungey and McElraths 300s after basically a 1/4 mile fast cruise back to the box.. 

Me and an old work buddy looked at each other and said, that's loaded up as much as a shifter kart at 16:1.  He said there is No F'n way they are running 50 or 60:1 and be that loaded up.  Agreed.  Probably at least 32:1.

I'll find the video.  There is a good on showing this.   My friend, give your engine some oil.

Watch this video. Lean ratios are to satisfy the no smoke crowd and the EPA.

Not engine life. 

Motul is a top oil. Same realm as Klotz, Bel Ray Motorex and some other top brands.

OEM brands are blended by someone.  Some are better than others but none are "bad".

Also, you can buy OEMs oils with the refinery name brand or their own retail brands.  For example, way way back we were blending oils for quite a few OEMs.

I'm not sure which contracts we got in the end( that is sales and marketing) but pretty sure Esso was blending Yamalube for the Euro market last I knew and I believe Citgo was for the US market.  Usually the OEMs basically put out a bid and they go with the cheapest.

You can save alot of money with some due diligence.  In fact, alot of times the names are very similar to the Refinery name or their retail brands name.

Way back we got contracted to blend an oil for Mercurys High Performance Division race 2 stroke outboards.   The 9-14,000 RPM ones the F1 boats, Offshore boats and drag guys run. 

We tested against tons of oils.  You'd be surprised what we found. The main thing is use the correct oil for your application at the correct ratio for what you are doing.

For the 4 stroke crowd, Rotella actually is a pretty robust oil. Only the conventional 15w40 or T6 5w40 with the MA and MA2 ratings last I saw. Read the labels! 

Castrol supplies many aftermarket brands also.  We had some Oil Analysis done way back and many were virtually identical. 

Later, I'll post what we found from various brands going back to the early 80s from Castors to Synthetics.

Is Motul a solid place to work?  Good benefits etc. ??

Building relationships on forums is a great way to market, it's something my company teaches extensively.  The first thing I would recommend is actually building some relationships before just jumping straight to the marketing.

Bel Ray is good. They have a wide specialty line of lubes like Klotz, Motul, and others so make sure you are using the correct oil for your use.

For example, you wouldn't want to run an injection/premix oil for James Stewart on a 125 when one of their dedicated premix only oils would be a better choice in that extreme case.  For most, you would be totally fine and never see any difference at all, but this why they make different oils.

Same for Kart oils.  Usually designed for high load, high heat, extended high RPM operation, not so much for a woods rider. It won't hurt anything, but not ideal.

I can give some examples of that later as well. A great one I got from Klotz probably 15 years ago.

How come you guys aren’t mad on Lucas oil?

American made.

title sponsor of your outdoor series…

why aren’t you guys 100% committed to Lucas?

I have a Ram 2500 with the Hemi engine and the clock is at 315,000 miles so I am all in on lucas because if i don't add a quart of lucas stabilizer to each oil change i have to add oil with every gas fill up LOL

Lucas can make an account and start their own thread lol

Worked at MOTUL for two years now and have loved every minute of it. Really trying to immerse the brand back into Moto ala the glory days of the 90's and early 2000's. Any questions about the products, I frequent the site, just ask  

Cheers 

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That is a ridiculous claim. 

The only way to know is to take 2 brands,, and send a sample of each to a 3rd party testing company like Blackstone and get a NOA report to compare specs and additive packages.  They can even report changes over the years to past samples to see changes.

Without a lab report,  it could actually be the opposite and sometimes cheap oil is as good or better.

For example.

I run any of the Warren Oil brands of oil when I can in the vehicles. Why? Why pay a marketing budget?

I'll run Quaker State Ultimate Durability before Pennz Platinum because it is virtually the same without the marketing budget..

Rotella Gas Truck red bottle and Pennz Ultra Plat are virtually the same and slightly better...but not for the added cost for most people. 

Due diligence can save you alot of money. 

Later, I'll give a few examples where high dollar oil hasn't always proved to be significantly better if at all.

When we were blending and testing oils, we reached out to many race teams who were buying their own 2 stroke oils, and found why they were running certain brands.

That gave us Intel on which brands to test our products against.  What we found was interesting.  Also, many had offered their own knowledge between brands used which we could confirm with tests.  Alot of these teams were running 100,000 dollars worth of 2 strokes running 9-12,000 RPM for extended durations....that is a good test of an oil.

Best oil for a 450? 

Switching from what? And why Change?

I would like to know why the high end racing oils from Motul don't have Jaso MA etc.

And when people write here that it comes out as clean as it gets in, why is that good? Always thougt that it's the job of an oil to keep the particle "swimming" so they get out with an oil change.