350s instead of Factory Editions for 2024?

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The Japanese OEMs could offer either a 350 kit or ideally provide an actual motorcycle instead of another year of Factory Editions. The OEMs investment in tooling has to be covered by now so how about branching out and giving the riding community what they're asking for?
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Richy 11/9/2022 11:04am
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That would be awesome, but I doubt we're that lucky.
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Leave Us To 11/9/2022 11:20am
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GrapeApe wrote:
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/OEMs-should-have-gone-to-350s-years-ago,1408305#post_5154130

I appreciate your loyalty, but this is a different spin. BTW you have to have the record for being here for 12 years and only started four threads.but 5600 plus replies. Remind me again please what your screen name was before GrapeApe?
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The Japanese OEMs could offer either a 350 kit or ideally provide an actual motorcycle instead of another year of Factory Editions. The OEMs investment in...
The Japanese OEMs could offer either a 350 kit or ideally provide an actual motorcycle instead of another year of Factory Editions. The OEMs investment in tooling has to be covered by now so how about branching out and giving the riding community what they're asking for?
You can’t offer a 350 kit. It requires a new engine. A 450 sleeved down would have none of the positive traits of a 350.
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soggy 11/9/2022 11:23am
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What do you ride OP?
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2007 CRF450 but hasn't seen much usage in the last six years due to work and back issues. If I ever have the time to train, I hope I can work my way back to riding but have other priorities at the moment. Dream bike is 300cc two stroke.

What do you ride?
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soggy wrote:
You can’t offer a 350 kit. It requires a new engine. A 450 sleeved down would have none of the positive traits of a 350.
Start with a 250 for a 300 or 310. 250 big bores are vibration prone but the right builder can do it.
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2007 CRF450 but hasn't seen much usage in the last six years due to work and back issues. If I ever have the time to train...
2007 CRF450 but hasn't seen much usage in the last six years due to work and back issues. If I ever have the time to train, I hope I can work my way back to riding but have other priorities at the moment. Dream bike is 300cc two stroke.

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A 350.
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Richy wrote:
That would be awesome, but I doubt we're that lucky.
Agree one thousand percent but it doesn't cost anything to dream. How crazy is it that the general consensus is 450s are too much, especially for SX but year after year, the OEMs keep building 450s? Wouldn't be great that before the OEM electric bikes come out, they'd finally get it right and offer 350s?

Or the Japanese OEMs can keep sitting on their hands while KTM sells 350s like hot cakes.
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GrapeApe wrote:
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/OEMs-should-have-gone-to-350s-years-ago,1408305#post_5154130

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I appreciate your loyalty, but this is a different spin. BTW you have to have the record for being here for 12 years and only started...
I appreciate your loyalty, but this is a different spin. BTW you have to have the record for being here for 12 years and only started four threads.but 5600 plus replies. Remind me again please what your screen name was before GrapeApe?
As you correctly point out I've been here 12 years with one screen name, not 12 days. What would possibly lead you to believe that 13 years ago I had a different screen name? This is the second time in a week you've "accused" me of having a different screen name 13 years ago, very strange.

Edit: I was threefive at Bushwood, so technically you're right.

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Fuck 350 and Suzuki threads.
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Op is begging for a 350 but doesn't ride anymore... Makes sense.
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Why do they do a "factory edition" 450 instead of a 350? Isn't the answer simply that the factory edition is easy to produce since they already make a 450. A 350 is a whole different engine. To suggest doing x instead of y implies that x and y are comparable, which is not the case here.
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GrapeApe wrote:
As you correctly point out I've been here 12 years with one screen name, not 12 days. What would possibly lead you to believe that 13...
As you correctly point out I've been here 12 years with one screen name, not 12 days. What would possibly lead you to believe that 13 years ago I had a different screen name? This is the second time in a week you've "accused" me of having a different screen name 13 years ago, very strange.

Edit: I was threefive at Bushwood, so technically you're right.

Thanks for confirming I was right. I thought I recognized your style from bushwood but associated it with someone else not threefive. Appreciate your edit. Peace out.
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MPJC wrote:
Why do they do a "factory edition" 450 instead of a 350? Isn't the answer simply that the factory edition is easy to produce since they...
Why do they do a "factory edition" 450 instead of a 350? Isn't the answer simply that the factory edition is easy to produce since they already make a 450. A 350 is a whole different engine. To suggest doing x instead of y implies that x and y are comparable, which is not the case here.
You answered a question that wasn't asked plus I never implied it would be simple. Anyway, if KTM can provide a 300 kit for their 250 two strokes, the OEMs could try to step it up with at least a 300cc four stoke kit since less expense to tool up for than a 350.
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MPJC wrote:
Why do they do a "factory edition" 450 instead of a 350? Isn't the answer simply that the factory edition is easy to produce since they...
Why do they do a "factory edition" 450 instead of a 350? Isn't the answer simply that the factory edition is easy to produce since they already make a 450. A 350 is a whole different engine. To suggest doing x instead of y implies that x and y are comparable, which is not the case here.
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You answered a question that wasn't asked plus I never implied it would be simple. Anyway, if KTM can provide a 300 kit for their 250...
You answered a question that wasn't asked plus I never implied it would be simple. Anyway, if KTM can provide a 300 kit for their 250 two strokes, the OEMs could try to step it up with at least a 300cc four stoke kit since less expense to tool up for than a 350.
You asked: 350s instead of Factory Editions for 2024? That's what i took myself to be answering. What am I missing?
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Is this one close enough for you ?

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MPJC wrote:
Why do they do a "factory edition" 450 instead of a 350? Isn't the answer simply that the factory edition is easy to produce since they...
Why do they do a "factory edition" 450 instead of a 350? Isn't the answer simply that the factory edition is easy to produce since they already make a 450. A 350 is a whole different engine. To suggest doing x instead of y implies that x and y are comparable, which is not the case here.
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You answered a question that wasn't asked plus I never implied it would be simple. Anyway, if KTM can provide a 300 kit for their 250...
You answered a question that wasn't asked plus I never implied it would be simple. Anyway, if KTM can provide a 300 kit for their 250 two strokes, the OEMs could try to step it up with at least a 300cc four stoke kit since less expense to tool up for than a 350.
You can get a 300 kit for every 250f out there. Man the density around here is immense.
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soggy wrote:
You can get a 300 kit for every 250f out there. Man the density around here is immense.
Why so serious when we are bench racing not curing cancer?
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It’s because we the consumer is not their target. It’s our wallets. So until we stop purchasing every 450 that gets produced each year, and start only buying 250/350s, they will keep building 450s and 250s
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soggy wrote:
You can get a 300 kit for every 250f out there. Man the density around here is immense.
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Why so serious when we are bench racing not curing cancer?
Because the questions you’re asking already have answers.
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