Tyla Rattray private track shut down by county

yz763 wrote:

Isn’t the AMA supposed to be fighting for our right to ride? It seems like another association hellbent on collecting money over promises they don’t keep.

Iridereallyslow wrote:

Soggy you have a misunderstanding of the facts here and have made a false accusation. Rattray Farm LLC did have a special use permit...it was "revoked...

Soggy you have a misunderstanding of the facts here and have made a false accusation.

Rattray Farm LLC did have a special use permit...it was "revoked in May for numerous violations".
Bakers Pro Farm LLC operates with essentially the same special use permit, directly across the street.

https://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/19655?fileID=…

So please explain how Baker did, and Tyla did not go through the proper channels?

soggy wrote:

We’ll his special use permit was revoked for violations kind of explains everything

Iridereallyslow wrote:

Are you on the side of the Scott family? Are you opposed to having a motocross track on your own land? Tyla did go through the...

Are you on the side of the Scott family? Are you opposed to having a motocross track on your own land?

Tyla did go through the proper channels. He had the same permit as Baker Factory which is across the street and shares the neighbors that have complained. The revocation doesn't explain everything, it actually raises a lot of questions. You have clearly don't know anything about the situation and haven't done any actual research on the, you're just making false accusations and being an indirect internet bully to Tyla.

soggy wrote:

Was the property a source of income for him? Sure sounds like it.

yz763 wrote:

Not at all.

soggy wrote:

Was the property a source of income for him? Sure sounds like it.

yz763 wrote:

Not at all.

neysbo wrote:

I mean people paid monthly to ride there so I would say a source of income.

soggy wrote:

We’ll his special use permit was revoked for violations kind of explains everything

Iridereallyslow wrote:

Are you on the side of the Scott family? Are you opposed to having a motocross track on your own land? Tyla did go through the...

Are you on the side of the Scott family? Are you opposed to having a motocross track on your own land?

Tyla did go through the proper channels. He had the same permit as Baker Factory which is across the street and shares the neighbors that have complained. The revocation doesn't explain everything, it actually raises a lot of questions. You have clearly don't know anything about the situation and haven't done any actual research on the, you're just making false accusations and being an indirect internet bully to Tyla.

RaceFace58 wrote:

I don’t know anything about the situation other than it being 50 acres. If I was contemplating building a track with neighbors I’d know before I...

I don’t know anything about the situation other than it being 50 acres. If I was contemplating building a track with neighbors I’d know before I start that 50 acres just isn’t enough. Eventually someone is going to make it their life to shut you down.

yz763 wrote:

People rode there but there’s no gym or anything like that. I would say there’s a difference between riding to get better and training.

Roczoff wrote:

The county says he violated use permits for the property. Sounds like he did. BUT, you loves you some motocross, and you hates you some old...

The county says he violated use permits for the property. Sounds like he did.

BUT, you loves you some motocross, and you hates you some old people, so's it must be a grand conspiracy to destroy motocross... and freedom, and everything you love, like the 'Murrican way of life.

If he followed the rules, he'd have no issues. All the facts point to this logical conclusion.

Moto has a big noise problem. If you want moto to thrive, accept that it needs to get more quiet. You can always wear earbuds amplifying the noise from somewhere near your engine. Stop fearing change.

lostboy819 wrote:

This was Tyla not following the rules of his permit, cant blame the AMA or anyone except Tyla.

R VanKamp77 wrote:

You should delete your account you shill. You’re in a thread about a track getting shut down mocking it. Sell your bike if you even have...

You should delete your account you shill. You’re in a thread about a track getting shut down mocking it. Sell your bike if you even have one and go buy some golf clubs boomer

Kawasakioldschool wrote:

This was Tyla’s income Sexton rides there but if KTM want sexton I’m sure they and Aldon want Tyla shut down. I would hire the best...

This was Tyla’s income Sexton rides there but if KTM want sexton I’m sure they and Aldon want Tyla shut down. I would hire the best Lawyer around and go get them.

JMR1976 wrote:

So Florida is not much different than California after all?

yz763 wrote:

I believe the violations were all noise related. However, none of them were supported. The cease and desist came from them shutting the track down. According...

I believe the violations were all noise related. However, none of them were supported. The cease and desist came from them shutting the track down. According to the county, the track could not be used. The county said the jumps are what make it a track and advised it would be ok to ride as long as no racing or jumps were used and no more than six riders. This is what has been happening since May.

The other night the Scott's stated racing was still going on (racing has never occurred there) and that the issue is not about the Bakers even though the Bakers place is closer to them than Tyla's.

Piston Slap wrote:

It's not a "TRACK" that got shut down. You ever ride there? Nope? You ever gonna ride there? Nope? anybody you personally know ride there? Nope...

It's not a "TRACK" that got shut down.

You ever ride there? Nope?

You ever gonna ride there? Nope?

anybody you personally know ride there? Nope.

It's his training facility...and he got it shut down by not following the rules.

Easy on the names........not cool

2-slow MX wrote:

A whole lot of people spewing misinformation here that aren't close to the situation and just read the article that was written by the equivalent of...

A whole lot of people spewing misinformation here that aren't close to the situation and just read the article that was written by the equivalent of someone who writes for their middle school newspaper. Like is often true, there is a lot of information not mentioned.

Instead of gossiping about the past permit, this is all that matters - The meeting this past week was because Tyla applied for a major special use permit after the minor special use permit was revoked. This would have given him the same permit as Aldon. He was trying go do it properly. The ONLY reason it was not approved was because Myra Scott went around and got signatures on a petition and she had neighbors write letters to the county. Most of the people writing the letters lived closer to Aldon than Tyla and that is a fact. Their addresses were listed on the letters. BUT the county saw all of the complaining people and well, just denying it was much easier than listening to them bitching. (squeaky wheel gets the grease) We all knew it was going to be denied going in there. The staff recommended denial and so did the special master. The commissioners are not going to make waves and go against prior recommendations.

The opposing attorney is the special master for Wildwood (A small town that has been engulfed by The Villages) so she literally works FOR the county on zoning cases for that area. She is an attorney contracted BY THE COUNTY. She knows everyone in that county building intimately well and was in the ear of staff before the ink was even dry on the application. Not sure how that was not a conflict of interest. It also did not help that moto is a bunch of young people. The board is full of 70 year olds and the complaining people are all well into their 70's.

Also i don't see it mentioned in any articles but there were quite a few close neighbors there in support of the track. They were not considered though on the original decision by staff. ONLY negative comments seen and heard. At the meeting they said they could hear it but had no problems whatsoever with it. They said it was not "going on all day long" and guys were usually done by 1:00 so it wasn't even an issue. They said they could not hear it in their house and when outside it was not overly loud. They actually even thought it was cool to have the tracks there and even enjoyed going over from time to time to watch.. The owner of the next door RV resort even stood up and said he loved having the guys stay there. It brought him business and the kids were more well behaved than any of his other customers. None of this was given any weight though because it was never heard until this meeting. Had the and special master heard this, we could have had a fair shake.

yz763 wrote:

Again, there was no proof of any of this. The more than 6 bikes thing was a video a neighbor presented as evidence where you could...

Again, there was no proof of any of this. The more than 6 bikes thing was a video a neighbor presented as evidence where you could clearly hear the bikes. However, the sound between the bikes presented a distinct variance of distance (she was hearing the Bakers place and Tyla’s place). This was obvious to anyone who knows MX tracks and the sound they produce. If you don’t know anything about dirt bikes, you would assume it’s one track. If there is a motive, one could easily twist that video to fit their narrative. This neighbor was east, northeast of Tyla and the Bakers.
Friends and family are all that have ridden there and I have never seen a camper there in 2 years.
I agree, Tyla could have been a little more diplomatic in reaching a solution. I also understand how it’s a hard to be diplomatic if you’re passionate about this and the county is completing railroading you.

yz763 wrote:

Again, there was no proof of any of this. The more than 6 bikes thing was a video a neighbor presented as evidence where you could...

Again, there was no proof of any of this. The more than 6 bikes thing was a video a neighbor presented as evidence where you could clearly hear the bikes. However, the sound between the bikes presented a distinct variance of distance (she was hearing the Bakers place and Tyla’s place). This was obvious to anyone who knows MX tracks and the sound they produce. If you don’t know anything about dirt bikes, you would assume it’s one track. If there is a motive, one could easily twist that video to fit their narrative. This neighbor was east, northeast of Tyla and the Bakers.
Friends and family are all that have ridden there and I have never seen a camper there in 2 years.
I agree, Tyla could have been a little more diplomatic in reaching a solution. I also understand how it’s a hard to be diplomatic if you’re passionate about this and the county is completing railroading you.

2-slow MX wrote:

A whole lot of people spewing misinformation here that aren't close to the situation and just read the article that was written by the equivalent of...

A whole lot of people spewing misinformation here that aren't close to the situation and just read the article that was written by the equivalent of someone who writes for their middle school newspaper. Like is often true, there is a lot of information not mentioned.

Instead of gossiping about the past permit, this is all that matters - The meeting this past week was because Tyla applied for a major special use permit after the minor special use permit was revoked. This would have given him the same permit as Aldon. He was trying go do it properly. The ONLY reason it was not approved was because Myra Scott went around and got signatures on a petition and she had neighbors write letters to the county. Most of the people writing the letters lived closer to Aldon than Tyla and that is a fact. Their addresses were listed on the letters. BUT the county saw all of the complaining people and well, just denying it was much easier than listening to them bitching. (squeaky wheel gets the grease) We all knew it was going to be denied going in there. The staff recommended denial and so did the special master. The commissioners are not going to make waves and go against prior recommendations.

The opposing attorney is the special master for Wildwood (A small town that has been engulfed by The Villages) so she literally works FOR the county on zoning cases for that area. She is an attorney contracted BY THE COUNTY. She knows everyone in that county building intimately well and was in the ear of staff before the ink was even dry on the application. Not sure how that was not a conflict of interest. It also did not help that moto is a bunch of young people. The board is full of 70 year olds and the complaining people are all well into their 70's.

Also i don't see it mentioned in any articles but there were quite a few close neighbors there in support of the track. They were not considered though on the original decision by staff. ONLY negative comments seen and heard. At the meeting they said they could hear it but had no problems whatsoever with it. They said it was not "going on all day long" and guys were usually done by 1:00 so it wasn't even an issue. They said they could not hear it in their house and when outside it was not overly loud. They actually even thought it was cool to have the tracks there and even enjoyed going over from time to time to watch.. The owner of the next door RV resort even stood up and said he loved having the guys stay there. It brought him business and the kids were more well behaved than any of his other customers. None of this was given any weight though because it was never heard until this meeting. Had the and special master heard this, we could have had a fair shake.

soggy wrote:

Now that’s a conspiracy angle I didn’t see coming 😂. Good grief.

2-slow MX wrote:

A whole lot of people spewing misinformation here that aren't close to the situation and just read the article that was written by the equivalent of...

A whole lot of people spewing misinformation here that aren't close to the situation and just read the article that was written by the equivalent of someone who writes for their middle school newspaper. Like is often true, there is a lot of information not mentioned.

Instead of gossiping about the past permit, this is all that matters - The meeting this past week was because Tyla applied for a major special use permit after the minor special use permit was revoked. This would have given him the same permit as Aldon. He was trying go do it properly. The ONLY reason it was not approved was because Myra Scott went around and got signatures on a petition and she had neighbors write letters to the county. Most of the people writing the letters lived closer to Aldon than Tyla and that is a fact. Their addresses were listed on the letters. BUT the county saw all of the complaining people and well, just denying it was much easier than listening to them bitching. (squeaky wheel gets the grease) We all knew it was going to be denied going in there. The staff recommended denial and so did the special master. The commissioners are not going to make waves and go against prior recommendations.

The opposing attorney is the special master for Wildwood (A small town that has been engulfed by The Villages) so she literally works FOR the county on zoning cases for that area. She is an attorney contracted BY THE COUNTY. She knows everyone in that county building intimately well and was in the ear of staff before the ink was even dry on the application. Not sure how that was not a conflict of interest. It also did not help that moto is a bunch of young people. The board is full of 70 year olds and the complaining people are all well into their 70's.

Also i don't see it mentioned in any articles but there were quite a few close neighbors there in support of the track. They were not considered though on the original decision by staff. ONLY negative comments seen and heard. At the meeting they said they could hear it but had no problems whatsoever with it. They said it was not "going on all day long" and guys were usually done by 1:00 so it wasn't even an issue. They said they could not hear it in their house and when outside it was not overly loud. They actually even thought it was cool to have the tracks there and even enjoyed going over from time to time to watch.. The owner of the next door RV resort even stood up and said he loved having the guys stay there. It brought him business and the kids were more well behaved than any of his other customers. None of this was given any weight though because it was never heard until this meeting. Had the and special master heard this, we could have had a fair shake.

Iridereallyslow wrote:

Are you on the side of the Scott family? Are you opposed to having a motocross track on your own land? Tyla did go through the...

Are you on the side of the Scott family? Are you opposed to having a motocross track on your own land?

Tyla did go through the proper channels. He had the same permit as Baker Factory which is across the street and shares the neighbors that have complained. The revocation doesn't explain everything, it actually raises a lot of questions. You have clearly don't know anything about the situation and haven't done any actual research on the, you're just making false accusations and being an indirect internet bully to Tyla.

RaceFace58 wrote:

I don’t know anything about the situation other than it being 50 acres. If I was contemplating building a track with neighbors I’d know before I...

I don’t know anything about the situation other than it being 50 acres. If I was contemplating building a track with neighbors I’d know before I start that 50 acres just isn’t enough. Eventually someone is going to make it their life to shut you down.

Iridereallyslow wrote:

Since you know better than Tyla, and 50 is not enough, but Baker's factory across the street is 90 acres is, please spill the beans on...

Since you know better than Tyla, and 50 is not enough, but Baker's factory across the street is 90 acres is, please spill the beans on what the magic number between 50 and 90 is.