Another Matthes gem - Alessi

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Can Raquel Alessi spell?
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8/10/2009 1:42pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:26am
swizcore wrote:
I see now Trip; you only believe what you read when it is written first person or includes a fact checked bibliography. In that case, you...
I see now Trip; you only believe what you read when it is written first person or includes a fact checked bibliography. In that case, you are so right buddy.
Trip wrote:
No, it doesn't have to go that far, maybe just check out some of the whispers he heard from the actual guy he is doing the...
No, it doesn't have to go that far, maybe just check out some of the whispers he heard from the actual guy he is doing the story about? Is that to difficult??

One more time for those with reading disabilities....If we are to believe everything in the story is true, taking bikes to local shops, having them torn down, fighting in the pits, riding pr days without the team knowing. All those things and they still didn't fire him?? Why not?? Doesn't seem to all add up.
txmxer wrote:
Roger has dealt with this before. Maybe not this bad, but he's had "moto-dads" in his semi on more than one occasion. He didn't fire anyone...
Roger has dealt with this before. Maybe not this bad, but he's had "moto-dads" in his semi on more than one occasion. He didn't fire anyone back then. Maybe, just maybe, you want to believe something that's simply not true and are looking for any reason it "might" be true?
No, if it's true it's true, my life isn't changing one way or another either way. Just before I belive it 100%, I'd like to hear the other side. Why is that so hard for some of you to grasp?? Matthes, has a press pass, I'm sure he could talk to Roger and get some facts, Roger isn't one to shy away from a comment or his feelings. Use that same press pas to get Alessi's side.

Do you honestly think if anyone with a factory contract had all this negative stuff going on around them, they would still have a check coming?? All the clauses in contracts now, I'm sure there is one about not letting other people work on your bike.

I see Suzuki not re-newing Mike's contract in the same light as others before him. For whatever reason, he isn't gong back to Suzuki, they made the decision.

If you read Matthes' column, you would read that Alessi's burned the bridge at Honda. Did they really? If that bridge is burned, why give Jeff the try out last year?

There are holes in the story. I was just asking to have them filled in, that's all. The story was about Mike letting his dad go, basically blaming Tony for Mike failure to win a championship. I don't buy it, Mike has hard two bad injuries in the last two years, his dad has nothing to do with it.



Mike is about to burn through his fourth pro team in five seasons. Really? He's been on 4 pro teams in 5 years??
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mike alessi is a badass.

tony is a helluva father.

mike needs to fly on his own to make it to the next level, in racing and in life

tony, as a helluva father needs to help mike fly on his own.

these are bobbym's and bobbym's alone opinions. Smile

now shit can this thread for fugg sakes....

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Honda_Fan wrote:
Can Raquel Alessi spell?
would it matter?
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Honda_Fan wrote:
Can Raquel Alessi spell?
bobby397 wrote:
would it matter?
Wouldn't matter to me...I don't need brains...I have those.......
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BobbyM wrote:
mike alessi is a badass. tony is a helluva father. mike needs to fly on his own to make it to the next level, in racing...
mike alessi is a badass.

tony is a helluva father.

mike needs to fly on his own to make it to the next level, in racing and in life

tony, as a helluva father needs to help mike fly on his own.

these are bobbym's and bobbym's alone opinions. Smile

now shit can this thread for fugg sakes....

I've requested the dumgeon, hasn't happend, so the thread lives.
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8/10/2009 2:04pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:26am
page 1 of this thread was the first 27 seconds of this video... then hell broke loose




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peelout719 wrote:
page 1 of this thread was the first 27 seconds of this video... then hell broke loose
page 1 of this thread was the first 27 seconds of this video... then hell broke loose




That is funny, and pretty much true.. LOL That movie is kick ass!!!
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It's funny that people say there isn't credibility to Matthes's piece because he didn't throw his sources under the bus or go to the percieved root of the problem, Tony Alessi, to get his side of the story. What's the point when judging from T.A's overly inflated ego all he would get would be deny, deny, deny, twist, and plead innocence. Exactly as a cheating spouse would do in the same situation ,where they weren't actually caught in the act by their spouse and think they have the upper hand, even though the cheated one has more than enough viable resources confirming the cheating that is going on.

As for them not honoring a contract when it comes to the suspension and motor teardowns, look no further that the old Alloy press release to know they are capable of doing such things-

"Yorba Linda, California. August 24th 2004.

ALLOY MX announces that the company has ended their agreement with Mike
Alessi with immediate effect.

Neil Calvesbert commented, “This should have been a very difficult decision,
but ultimately it was not as it was forced upon us. ALLOY MX saw Mike Alessi
as the future; we made a large commitment to him and his brother Jeff. As a
young company we committed ourselves to these two riders for the long term,
no amateur rider has been supported or marketed as heavily as Mike Alessi
with ALLOY MX.
But at the end of the day, we have simply had enough of the situation and
working with Tony Alessi.”

Calvesbert continued “The backlash of the events leading up to and during
Millville have rocked us hard, people think ALLOY MX made those “Believe the
Hype” tee-shirts. That is simply not true; we had no involvement in
producing that tee-shirt. Tony Alessi asked us to make a bulls eye butt logo
for Mike’s pants for Millville, we pointed out the problems that may cause
or the message it might send but he insisted. We originally signed a 3-year
contract with both Mike and Jeff, which took us to the end of 2005; recently
Tony has wanted to make some changes to our original agreement which
included helmets and boots. We have always tried to accommodate his requests
and have gone over and beyond what the contract requires us to do. As we all
know, as the stakes and money get higher so do the responsibilities of the
athletes. Unfortunately some people chose not to respect the terms or
obligations of a contract; they want the money but don’t expect to work for
it”.

Ben Masek, President of ALLOY MX added “While we were left concerned after
Millville, we tried to soldier on but this week Tony told us that if we did
not allow Mike to wear the same color way as Millville for Steele City or
Glen Helen that he would pull Mike from those races? Various communications
went back and forth and today we decided to end the relationship, we just
cannot work productively under the constant threats from Tony Alessi”.

Calvesbert added, “There are so many riders out there who we respect, riders
who have won countless races and championships, they don’t wear ALLOY but as
athletes they have our full respect. Every rider that goes to the line each
week has our respect. There are many riders out there who would be excited
to get the support we have given Mike but it seems we just cannot do enough
to please Tony, we know Mike will win many races on whatever machinery he
secures for his future but ALLOY MX will not be a part of that future. "

That may be old, but as they say, old tendencies and behaviors die hard


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8/10/2009 2:29pm
Trip wrote:
I've requested the dumgeon, hasn't happend, so the thread lives.
There you go again being negative Trip.
Dumbgeon?

A positive person would say HOF.

But for the record I agree with you on this one.
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8/10/2009 2:31pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2009 2:33pm
swizcore wrote:
I see now Trip; you only believe what you read when it is written first person or includes a fact checked bibliography. In that case, you...
I see now Trip; you only believe what you read when it is written first person or includes a fact checked bibliography. In that case, you are so right buddy.
Trip wrote:
No, it doesn't have to go that far, maybe just check out some of the whispers he heard from the actual guy he is doing the...
No, it doesn't have to go that far, maybe just check out some of the whispers he heard from the actual guy he is doing the story about? Is that to difficult??

One more time for those with reading disabilities....If we are to believe everything in the story is true, taking bikes to local shops, having them torn down, fighting in the pits, riding pr days without the team knowing. All those things and they still didn't fire him?? Why not?? Doesn't seem to all add up.
They have fired him, as in he won't be back next year or ever again for them.
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Well as an opinion piece it has certainly done its job, conversation has been intiated.

I like Matthes writing style, he states very clearly that the Pulp MX stuff is his own opinion based on the people he speaks to and things he hears.

Reading any kind of opinion/editorial work at any level and asking the writer to always come clean with publicly named sources is the surest way to silence everything but the straight PR stories.
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It's funny that people say there isn't credibility to Matthes's piece because he didn't throw his sources under the bus or go to the percieved root...
It's funny that people say there isn't credibility to Matthes's piece because he didn't throw his sources under the bus or go to the percieved root of the problem, Tony Alessi, to get his side of the story. What's the point when judging from T.A's overly inflated ego all he would get would be deny, deny, deny, twist, and plead innocence. Exactly as a cheating spouse would do in the same situation ,where they weren't actually caught in the act by their spouse and think they have the upper hand, even though the cheated one has more than enough viable resources confirming the cheating that is going on.

As for them not honoring a contract when it comes to the suspension and motor teardowns, look no further that the old Alloy press release to know they are capable of doing such things-

"Yorba Linda, California. August 24th 2004.

ALLOY MX announces that the company has ended their agreement with Mike
Alessi with immediate effect.

Neil Calvesbert commented, “This should have been a very difficult decision,
but ultimately it was not as it was forced upon us. ALLOY MX saw Mike Alessi
as the future; we made a large commitment to him and his brother Jeff. As a
young company we committed ourselves to these two riders for the long term,
no amateur rider has been supported or marketed as heavily as Mike Alessi
with ALLOY MX.
But at the end of the day, we have simply had enough of the situation and
working with Tony Alessi.”

Calvesbert continued “The backlash of the events leading up to and during
Millville have rocked us hard, people think ALLOY MX made those “Believe the
Hype” tee-shirts. That is simply not true; we had no involvement in
producing that tee-shirt. Tony Alessi asked us to make a bulls eye butt logo
for Mike’s pants for Millville, we pointed out the problems that may cause
or the message it might send but he insisted. We originally signed a 3-year
contract with both Mike and Jeff, which took us to the end of 2005; recently
Tony has wanted to make some changes to our original agreement which
included helmets and boots. We have always tried to accommodate his requests
and have gone over and beyond what the contract requires us to do. As we all
know, as the stakes and money get higher so do the responsibilities of the
athletes. Unfortunately some people chose not to respect the terms or
obligations of a contract; they want the money but don’t expect to work for
it”.

Ben Masek, President of ALLOY MX added “While we were left concerned after
Millville, we tried to soldier on but this week Tony told us that if we did
not allow Mike to wear the same color way as Millville for Steele City or
Glen Helen that he would pull Mike from those races? Various communications
went back and forth and today we decided to end the relationship, we just
cannot work productively under the constant threats from Tony Alessi”.

Calvesbert added, “There are so many riders out there who we respect, riders
who have won countless races and championships, they don’t wear ALLOY but as
athletes they have our full respect. Every rider that goes to the line each
week has our respect. There are many riders out there who would be excited
to get the support we have given Mike but it seems we just cannot do enough
to please Tony, we know Mike will win many races on whatever machinery he
secures for his future but ALLOY MX will not be a part of that future. "

That may be old, but as they say, old tendencies and behaviors die hard


That's a great arguement to not talk to Tony. I also said he should of talked to Roger.

All the bs that went down with Alloy, wasn't Mike a minor at the time? It wasn't like Alloy didn't know the past with the family. They took a chance, it ended on a bad note. May of been more to that story too, as Alloy is no longer around.

So a small company is willing to fire the Alessi's after all they invested in them, but Suzuki wouldn't??

Oh and the bulleye butt patch was a great idea!!! Kinda like the J-Law Anarchy in AMA one.
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There is nodoubt Tony Alessi had the best program lined out for Mike in the amateurs. I know this first hand. He had Mike on the very best machinery. He also demanded more from Mike than anyone else out there practicing and racing his motorcycle. They studied tracks and linesbefore and during motos, and if at all possible practiced and raced those tracks prior to large events. His program was top notch and some could call it "over the top". He has great racer with a ton of skill and dedication and determination and he provided everything to "be the best". This started with 50's and continued forward. Mike has always been a great starter and that also extremely helpful; at amateur races because of motos being so short in time. I don't think there is anyone who denies their hard work and dedication.

Tony is "hard core" and when you truly believe you are doing the right thing for your son, than that is all that matters to him. I think that anyone who has hired Mike knew that Tony came with him. It's been a very successful package, and if it wasn't for a few crashes by Mike, perhaps this discussion would not be taking place. Mike's racing has been very successful, and the fact he hasn't won a championship is not really a surprise to me. When you have guys like RC, Stewart, Reed, and Villopoto among many other fast racers it is actually against the odds.

Personally I think lawrence and Villopoto have more natural talent and this is from observations all the way through amateurs. Villopoto also has the work ethic and burning desire to win just like Mike, and that makes Ryan an extremely tough competitor.

You can say for Alessi to start his own program, but he would definitely need assistance gathering sponsors and running the team, and who is Tony going to trust to do that?

So it all goes back to Tony letting Mike go, and having Mike be his own man. I know it is hard to let go, because they are always your kids no matter what age they are.
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Hey guys, remember back in the summer of 09 when our boy Josh Grant deliberately finished Alessi's season?

That was AWESOME!

8/10/2009 3:07pm
Camp332 wrote:
I'm just getting involved with this thread. Can someone provide a quick summary?

Thanks or something?
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Anteaters are funny, and Raquel Alessi is smoking hot. Oh, and Alphado is having Italian after his bike ride.

That about sums it up.
You're a quick study seemefirst! I like how you left out the detail of the homemade dough. I mean, you hadn't actually spoken to his wife so how could you be sure it wasn't store bought? Just hearsay from adalpho at this point. Trip should be proud.
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Wow , I didn't read any of this or the interview.

Just wanted to post before it hit's the place where all 10+ pagers go.

Guy-b , you have my permission to flush this.
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500guy wrote:
Wow , I didn't read any of this or the interview. Just wanted to post before it hit's the place where all 10+ pagers go. Guy-b...
Wow , I didn't read any of this or the interview.

Just wanted to post before it hit's the place where all 10+ pagers go.

Guy-b , you have my permission to flush this.
it wasn't an interview. it was an opinion based article. very well written.
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straight^ wrote:
Hey guys, remember back in the summer of 09 when our boy Josh Grant deliberately finished Alessi's season?

That was AWESOME!

Blink
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FastEddy wrote:
Two things I've learned in this thread.

#1- Everyone thinks they know everything.

#2- The Alessi's indeed do know everything.

You dont pay very good attention.... Alphado's wife makes good calzones. Tongue
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alphado wrote:
[img]http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/Ducati584/raquel-alessi-gm_l3.jpg[/img]
txmxer wrote:
good god she's sexy.
you said it
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By the way Matthes-good read.
You may actually get thanked some day.
Not anytime soon of course, but we are all liferzz with this great sport.
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8/10/2009 5:48pm
I just needed to get in on this thread..
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Until someone posts pics of a Matthes broad that is hotter than the Alessi broad, I am on Mike's side.
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8/10/2009 6:06pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2009 6:06pm
alphado wrote:
Until someone posts pics of a Matthes broad that is hotter than the Alessi broad, I am on Mike's side.
Uh! Not Mike's broad.
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Can someone tell me where to find the picture of the bunny with the pancake on top of his head?
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Hi ! i am Steve Matthes i write opinions for a living ?

what the hell does that mean ? what is his job description exactly ? how do you make your money ?

can i hire you ? so if i want to bad mouth some one , or some product ,or some track , or some industry figure i can pay you and hide it in what would be called an opinion?

is this how it works? i just want to understand it honestly !

AAA

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AAA wrote:
Hi ! i am Steve Matthes i write opinions for a living ? what the hell does that mean ? what is his job description exactly...
Hi ! i am Steve Matthes i write opinions for a living ?

what the hell does that mean ? what is his job description exactly ? how do you make your money ?

can i hire you ? so if i want to bad mouth some one , or some product ,or some track , or some industry figure i can pay you and hide it in what would be called an opinion?

is this how it works? i just want to understand it honestly !

AAA

welcome to the world.....you been living in a cave?
everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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AAA wrote:
Hi ! i am Steve Matthes i write opinions for a living ? what the hell does that mean ? what is his job description exactly...
Hi ! i am Steve Matthes i write opinions for a living ?

what the hell does that mean ? what is his job description exactly ? how do you make your money ?

can i hire you ? so if i want to bad mouth some one , or some product ,or some track , or some industry figure i can pay you and hide it in what would be called an opinion?

is this how it works? i just want to understand it honestly !

AAA

call him, he said you have his number and to feel free to give him a ring

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