Another Matthes gem - Alessi

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BobbyM wrote:
yea....rogerd, mxdn manager, former team honda manager, current team suzuki manager doesn't know a fucking thing...yup.


carry on oh brilliant one....
Well apparently he can't keep track of one of his riders, which happens to be part of his job. No questioning RD's track record, which is why it is so hard for me to grasp the concept of Mike and Tony doing something without him knowing.

If he is doing everything behind Rogers back and Roger finds out, why was there no punishment? Could of terminated the contract right then and there. They didn't, and as far as I know Mike's check is still be signed by someone at Suzuki. So yeah, they may not end on the best of terms, but i don't think it's as bad as some of you think.
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Trip wrote:
Well apparently he can't keep track of one of his riders, which happens to be part of his job. No questioning RD's track record, which is...
Well apparently he can't keep track of one of his riders, which happens to be part of his job. No questioning RD's track record, which is why it is so hard for me to grasp the concept of Mike and Tony doing something without him knowing.

If he is doing everything behind Rogers back and Roger finds out, why was there no punishment? Could of terminated the contract right then and there. They didn't, and as far as I know Mike's check is still be signed by someone at Suzuki. So yeah, they may not end on the best of terms, but i don't think it's as bad as some of you think.
Roger likely did not fire him mid season for fear of bad PR. Roger has class I guess? Smile
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BobbyM wrote:
yea....rogerd, mxdn manager, former team honda manager, current team suzuki manager doesn't know a fucking thing...yup.


carry on oh brilliant one....
Trip wrote:
Well apparently he can't keep track of one of his riders, which happens to be part of his job. No questioning RD's track record, which is...
Well apparently he can't keep track of one of his riders, which happens to be part of his job. No questioning RD's track record, which is why it is so hard for me to grasp the concept of Mike and Tony doing something without him knowing.

If he is doing everything behind Rogers back and Roger finds out, why was there no punishment? Could of terminated the contract right then and there. They didn't, and as far as I know Mike's check is still be signed by someone at Suzuki. So yeah, they may not end on the best of terms, but i don't think it's as bad as some of you think.
oh there's punishment....
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8/9/2009 7:43pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2009 7:43pm
BobbyM wrote:
yea....rogerd, mxdn manager, former team honda manager, current team suzuki manager doesn't know a fucking thing...yup.


carry on oh brilliant one....
Trip wrote:
Well apparently he can't keep track of one of his riders, which happens to be part of his job. No questioning RD's track record, which is...
Well apparently he can't keep track of one of his riders, which happens to be part of his job. No questioning RD's track record, which is why it is so hard for me to grasp the concept of Mike and Tony doing something without him knowing.

If he is doing everything behind Rogers back and Roger finds out, why was there no punishment? Could of terminated the contract right then and there. They didn't, and as far as I know Mike's check is still be signed by someone at Suzuki. So yeah, they may not end on the best of terms, but i don't think it's as bad as some of you think.
No, you have failed to realize RD hasn't given a shit what Mike does since shockgate and the truth is it's worse than you think. Bye bye Mikey, don't let the door hit ya where God split ya.

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BobbyM wrote:
yea....rogerd, mxdn manager, former team honda manager, current team suzuki manager doesn't know a fucking thing...yup.


carry on oh brilliant one....
Trip wrote:
Well apparently he can't keep track of one of his riders, which happens to be part of his job. No questioning RD's track record, which is...
Well apparently he can't keep track of one of his riders, which happens to be part of his job. No questioning RD's track record, which is why it is so hard for me to grasp the concept of Mike and Tony doing something without him knowing.

If he is doing everything behind Rogers back and Roger finds out, why was there no punishment? Could of terminated the contract right then and there. They didn't, and as far as I know Mike's check is still be signed by someone at Suzuki. So yeah, they may not end on the best of terms, but i don't think it's as bad as some of you think.
BobbyM wrote:
oh there's punishment....
No MXdn?? That's my guess.
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8/9/2009 7:45pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2009 7:47pm
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No MXdn?? That's my guess.
Now that is pure comedy genius.

How about adios motherfukka!
8/9/2009 8:26pm
This is so non moto it's ridiculous.

TMZ gossip shit.

Mikey races the bike....they pay him to show the fuck up and he always does. The only guy's who can beat him are the best and they have to be on their A game.

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8/9/2009 8:28pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:25am
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matthes dont like when people call him out , talk about getting some of your own medicine ,hows it feel thier big boy?? bottom line is...
matthes dont like when people call him out , talk about getting some of your own medicine ,hows it feel thier big boy??

bottom line is matthes lives off writing crap ,rumors,and half truths about riders ,mechanics ,people ,track workers,and hard working industry people !

matthes is a person who makes nothing ,fixes nothing ,produces nothing , but gathers up rumors ,and then writes a gossip column , we refer to this as a pos !

his facts are are wrong on all accounts with in his writing of alessi in pulp mx

wrong wrong wrong !!

but its like this if thier was a car accident on the freeway , and you hear about it from some one ,you really dont know what happen only what you interpreted them saying ,if you write about that ,your writing a rumor of a half truth .

however ,if you were thier then of course you know the real story ,your an eye witness.

(thats why news people send reporters on site to get the real story )

so.....matthes were you thier when any of the aligations you made happened ,or let me guess you herd from a realiable source ...yes thats what i thought !

you have zero credibilty as a reporter , oh wait your not a reporter at all , your just some ex mechanic looking for an easy way to make money writing rumors and half truths about the hard working people of this industry , my guess is your times up ,everyone has your number ..

xxx

I'm assuming you are one of the Alessi's or someone close to them?

On a side note...
I would love to hear a follow up Matthes podcast with Tony A & Mike A
regarding Matthes write up . Smile








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sorry B.O.K.

jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a title because he was fast enough to win , was agressive when needed , was mentally stronger then his primary competition ,and had luck on his side .

jason is a gifted rider ,that has respect for those who have respect for him ,for the record he has more championships then andrew short , josh grant , kevin windham , and others from your era .

xxx
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sorry B.O.K. jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a...
sorry B.O.K.

jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a title because he was fast enough to win , was agressive when needed , was mentally stronger then his primary competition ,and had luck on his side .

jason is a gifted rider ,that has respect for those who have respect for him ,for the record he has more championships then andrew short , josh grant , kevin windham , and others from your era .

xxx
kevin windham


sure about that?
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sorry B.O.K. jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a...
sorry B.O.K.

jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a title because he was fast enough to win , was agressive when needed , was mentally stronger then his primary competition ,and had luck on his side .

jason is a gifted rider ,that has respect for those who have respect for him ,for the record he has more championships then andrew short , josh grant , kevin windham , and others from your era .

xxx
and mike alessi has more talent, more drive, more speed and more brains than jlaw.

get my drift?

look i hope and wish for the best for mike...i am 100% behind that kid.

and i also think mike is and can make a damn great sx rider...saw him do it and saw him have the talent. whatever you guys got going next year it better include some mental whoop training and a top 5 sx finish all the way. Smile
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8/9/2009 8:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:25am
AAA wrote:
sorry B.O.K. jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a...
sorry B.O.K.

jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a title because he was fast enough to win , was agressive when needed , was mentally stronger then his primary competition ,and had luck on his side .

jason is a gifted rider ,that has respect for those who have respect for him ,for the record he has more championships then andrew short , josh grant , kevin windham , and others from your era .

xxx
Dean wrote:
kevin windham


sure about that?
Windham won sx lites titles in 96 & 97 I believe .
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from racer x rider bio :

http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/kevin-windham.aspx




Motocross and Supercross veteran Kevin Windham has been a force on the pro scene since 1994. Looked upon as one of the most naturally talented riders on the circuit, Windham’s textbook riding style has made him a consistent title contender. However, he is arguably the best rider to have never won a National Championship. The 30-year-old racer has come close; in fact, Windham has finished second in the overall points standings five times.


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AAA wrote:
sorry B.O.K. jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a...
sorry B.O.K.

jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a title because he was fast enough to win , was agressive when needed , was mentally stronger then his primary competition ,and had luck on his side .

jason is a gifted rider ,that has respect for those who have respect for him ,for the record he has more championships then andrew short , josh grant , kevin windham , and others from your era .

xxx
Dean wrote:
kevin windham


sure about that?
MXR wrote:
Windham won sx lites titles in 96 & 97 I believe .
and i also won a yamaha ama mx series in 78
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AAA wrote:
sorry B.O.K. jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a...
sorry B.O.K.

jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a title because he was fast enough to win , was agressive when needed , was mentally stronger then his primary competition ,and had luck on his side .

jason is a gifted rider ,that has respect for those who have respect for him ,for the record he has more championships then andrew short , josh grant , kevin windham , and others from your era .

xxx
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and mike alessi has more talent, more drive, more speed and more brains than jlaw. get my drift? look i hope and wish for the best...
and mike alessi has more talent, more drive, more speed and more brains than jlaw.

get my drift?

look i hope and wish for the best for mike...i am 100% behind that kid.

and i also think mike is and can make a damn great sx rider...saw him do it and saw him have the talent. whatever you guys got going next year it better include some mental whoop training and a top 5 sx finish all the way. Smile
The only thing on that list that Mikey has more of than JLaw is drive.

He definitely isn't as talented. He has more speed in some cases but SX isn't close. He may make better descisions than Jason but it seems like JLaw is much more well spoken and personable.

I would venture to say that if you put Jason and Mikey on the same training program and then let them race in any circumstance anywhere anytime, on the same bike, JLaw wins every time.
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from racer x rider bio : http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/kevin-windham.aspx Motocross and Supercross veteran Kevin Windham has been a force on the pro scene since 1994. Looked upon as...
from racer x rider bio :

http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/kevin-windham.aspx




Motocross and Supercross veteran Kevin Windham has been a force on the pro scene since 1994. Looked upon as one of the most naturally talented riders on the circuit, Windham’s textbook riding style has made him a consistent title contender. However, he is arguably the best rider to have never won a National Championship. The 30-year-old racer has come close; in fact, Windham has finished second in the overall points standings five times.


From the same text...

In 1996, Windham earned his first Lites Class championship in the West Coast Lites series. He backed that up with a second place overall in the final motocross points. In 1997, Windham had another dominant year, as he won all but two rounds on his way to another West Coast Lites title.
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AAA wrote:
sorry B.O.K. jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a...
sorry B.O.K.

jason lawrence did not win a championship on accident ! or becuase he was what ever that was you called him! jason won a title because he was fast enough to win , was agressive when needed , was mentally stronger then his primary competition ,and had luck on his side .

jason is a gifted rider ,that has respect for those who have respect for him ,for the record he has more championships then andrew short , josh grant , kevin windham , and others from your era .

xxx
You don't know anything, so why don't you STFU.

KDub won the 96 and 97 west coast titles, yes he did something that JLaw didn't do, defend his title. Also he has won more races then JLaw every will. That said I have respect for both riders, but you my friend are a moron.
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drama! yeehaw.

Mathes piece wasn't that inflammatory IMO. But, Trip was 100% correct that if Mikey doesn't get hurt this year and wins the title, the Tony talk gets a lot quieter.

The talk about Tony has been going on since the amateur days. Where there is smoke there is fire. Nobody doubts he works hard and wants the best for Mike, but from a totally outside perspective, I'd say he's the ultimate mini-dad.

I did not care much for the "Hype" or the BS. But, Mike has proven himself to have a ton of heart and dedication. I hope he can get and stay healthy because I love MX. I love the battles. ON the track. Mike can bring that. I hate the off track sh1t and wish everyone would calm down and STFU.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Mikey could use a little space and Jeff a little more attention from Tony. Or they could go to Alessi racing and we'll see how it works out.
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AAA wrote:
from racer x rider bio : http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/kevin-windham.aspx Motocross and Supercross veteran Kevin Windham has been a force on the pro scene since 1994. Looked upon as...
from racer x rider bio :

http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/kevin-windham.aspx




Motocross and Supercross veteran Kevin Windham has been a force on the pro scene since 1994. Looked upon as one of the most naturally talented riders on the circuit, Windham’s textbook riding style has made him a consistent title contender. However, he is arguably the best rider to have never won a National Championship. The 30-year-old racer has come close; in fact, Windham has finished second in the overall points standings five times.


wow what an idiot
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AAA wrote:
from racer x rider bio : http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/kevin-windham.aspx Motocross and Supercross veteran Kevin Windham has been a force on the pro scene since 1994. Looked upon as...
from racer x rider bio :

http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/kevin-windham.aspx




Motocross and Supercross veteran Kevin Windham has been a force on the pro scene since 1994. Looked upon as one of the most naturally talented riders on the circuit, Windham’s textbook riding style has made him a consistent title contender. However, he is arguably the best rider to have never won a National Championship. The 30-year-old racer has come close; in fact, Windham has finished second in the overall points standings five times.


Regional titles are not National title, so JLaw is still in the same boat. You really know nothing about this sport.

But keep digging you might find something.
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AAA wrote:
from racer x rider bio : http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/kevin-windham.aspx Motocross and Supercross veteran Kevin Windham has been a force on the pro scene since 1994. Looked upon as...
from racer x rider bio :

http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/kevin-windham.aspx




Motocross and Supercross veteran Kevin Windham has been a force on the pro scene since 1994. Looked upon as one of the most naturally talented riders on the circuit, Windham’s textbook riding style has made him a consistent title contender. However, he is arguably the best rider to have never won a National Championship. The 30-year-old racer has come close; in fact, Windham has finished second in the overall points standings five times.


Read a little farther down that bio on Racer X there and it will show Windam with two lites titles .
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doing fine? fuckballs like you don't know shit, you hate tfs...suck nerds dick, doesn't matter. when a fellow fuckball like jlaw wins a title and a...
doing fine? fuckballs like you don't know shit, you hate tfs...suck nerds dick, doesn't matter.

when a fellow fuckball like jlaw wins a title and a tremendous talent like mike alessi doesn't...over 6 years something is wrong. how the hell nobody realizes that blows me away.

dope smoking..partying...don't give a shit jlaw has A TITLE....alessi has shit.

somebody please dispute that...PLEASE.

LOOK...something...SOMETHING has to be changed...regardless of if...or who is at fault up to this point. something has to change because the comp is getting better...not worse. and regardless...when it comes to life...life alone mike has to come into his own...he has to become his own man. can somebody tell me i am wrong?
It would be my pleasure to tell you that you're wrong.

1) Yes, I'd very much consider nipping at Stewart's heels in 2008 and dominating the beginning of this summer as "doing fine". And if I were prone to your potty-mouthed overstatement, I'd say it was f**ing awesome and nowhere in the realm of "shit".

2) Nerd will be the first to tell you I don't kowtow to him. He also recently stated that you have a tendency to create and indulge in conspiracy theories. Your exaggeration of Tony's imperfections falls into this irritating category.

And I also noticed this is a recent development with you. Six years is a long time for someone to be blind to the sort of vicious accusations you're saddling the man with. Did he grow tired of your emails or just your presence in general?
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8/9/2009 9:30pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2009 9:31pm
At this point, it looks like the only way for "Team Alessi" to silence the critics is to form their own team and win an outdoor Championship next year. That way they can have total control of their program and if they win they can show the world that they were right all along. Forget about finding the highest bidding team, just get some outside sponsorship money, like JLaw has done, then build the best bikes, hire the best personnel available and win races next summer. Forget about SX because that's not where Mike's talent lies and the possibility of getting hurt training for, or racing, SX is too high. Focus on winning the 2010 450 Outdoor National Championship and do it your way.
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AAA wrote:
matthes dont like when people call him out , talk about getting some of your own medicine ,hows it feel thier big boy?? bottom line is...
matthes dont like when people call him out , talk about getting some of your own medicine ,hows it feel thier big boy??

bottom line is matthes lives off writing crap ,rumors,and half truths about riders ,mechanics ,people ,track workers,and hard working industry people !

matthes is a person who makes nothing ,fixes nothing ,produces nothing , but gathers up rumors ,and then writes a gossip column , we refer to this as a pos !

his facts are are wrong on all accounts with in his writing of alessi in pulp mx

wrong wrong wrong !!

but its like this if thier was a car accident on the freeway , and you hear about it from some one ,you really dont know what happen only what you interpreted them saying ,if you write about that ,your writing a rumor of a half truth .

however ,if you were thier then of course you know the real story ,your an eye witness.

(thats why news people send reporters on site to get the real story )

so.....matthes were you thier when any of the aligations you made happened ,or let me guess you herd from a realiable source ...yes thats what i thought !

you have zero credibilty as a reporter , oh wait your not a reporter at all , your just some ex mechanic looking for an easy way to make money writing rumors and half truths about the hard working people of this industry , my guess is your times up ,everyone has your number ..

xxx

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Y'know I'm kind of pissed that Tony's resorted to this name calling about someone's opinion piece about basically how I think this super fast, hard-working good kid needs to change up his program and the fact that he will most likely NEVER ride for factory Suzuki, KTM or Honda again.



I'll just take the high road and let the column speak for itself. I like it and as usual, I'll be the first person to congratulate Mike when he rides great.

Tony, you've called me before-you have my number. Ring me up again, I have nothing to hide.

So their!

p.s- don't go see Funny People-it's not funny and is way too long.
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You guys are so quick to judge and pick apart riders programs that have yet to win a championship.

JG has not won a championship yet so what's wrong with him
Shorty has not won a championship yet.

The answer is there is nothing wrong with them or their programs, every rider out there for the most part is doing the best that they can to get the best results possible. That is all anyone can really ask for, yeah it would be nice for everyone to win a championship but that is not how life works. There is a reason RC and MC dominated as does JS they put in the extra effort that they feel with bring them to the top and it has.

This sport is mental, and physical, it has nothing to do with the bike the riders are on at the factory level they are all so close. JS is the mentaly strongest rider on the track these days, JS could win on any bike that he rides because he has the talent and the drive to be the best that he can be.

For all the B.S. that goes on at the factory level where to start, you guys should read Valentino Rossi book and understand more, Hayden wins the moto gp championship in 2006 and then ends up being the "B" rider on the team for 2007. Its the same in MX, teams play favorites. Its just like in school when you got picked last in dodge ball. None wants to be the "B" rider on the team, these guys want to win and sometimes the teams hold the "B" rider back so their top paid "A" rider does not look like a a waste of money. Its pretty sad and hard to explain to management when a rider getting paid 200k is making the 1.5 mill rider look like a joke every weekend.

You guys may not like Tony's way of working but that is your opinion, Tony puts every thing that he has into his kids program and you cant fault him for that. Everyone that is involved with Mikes program is there to help Mike reach his goals as a rider and as a person. You may not like Tony because he will tell you how he feels up front no sugar coating all the BS. Most of you on here don't know Mike or Tony and are quick to bash the people that do. It is their life and they can do what they want like it or not.

If you think that you can do better than go have you own kid and do what ever you think is the best for them, because thats what parents do they are there for their kids.

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mxjef wrote:
* Main Entry: [b]their[/b] * Pronunciation: \thər, ˈther\ * Function: adjective * Etymology: Middle English, from their, pron., from Old Norse theirra, genitive plural demonstrative &...
* Main Entry: their
* Pronunciation: \thər, ˈther\
* Function: adjective
* Etymology: Middle English, from their, pron., from Old Norse theirra, genitive plural demonstrative & personal pron.; akin to Old English thæt that
* Date: 13th century

1 : of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action
2 : his or her : his, her, its —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent
usage see they


* Main Entry: there
* Pronunciation: \ˈther\
* Function: adverb
* Etymology: Middle English, from Old English thǣr; akin to Old High German dār there, Old English thæt that
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1 : in or at that place —often used interjectionally
2 : to or into that place : thither
3 : at that point or stage
4 : in that matter, respect, or relation
5 —used interjectionally to express satisfaction, approval, encouragement or sympathy, or defiance
Damn! Get a life.
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8/9/2009 10:18pm
Funny people was never meant to be a comedy, even thou Judd Apatow directed it.

Great article by the way, and spot on in my opinion.
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8/9/2009 10:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2009 10:21pm
Matthes, you may very well be right but do you really think that it's going to happen? Probably not and that's why I think the Alessi's need to do it on their own terms with their own team.
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8/9/2009 10:25pm
ns503 wrote:
Pulp link

Some good reading there...
josh Grant and Andrew Short were no Mike Alessi in the amatuer ranks. Alessi losing is like Carmichael, Stewart, and Bradshaw losing.

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