regarding sandbaggers

peelout719
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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 1:28pm
everybody hates em. but it seems like the world just can't live without em.

look at every competitive sport and i guarantee you will find a buttload of sandbagging pussies.

take for instance Golf. not PGA and not so much at the Amateur Championship level. but more the State Championships and Course Championships. it is horrendous.

thing about the golf sandbaggers, is their rep checks out. everyone who signs up has a handicap index that is kept track by the USGA. players are supposed to enter their scores after each and every game they play. i know for a fact people are cheating in this aspect. i have a close personal friend that only enters Tournament scores. he never enters daily rounds or any other rounds. that's cheap. i'm legitimately an 12.3 handicap. not amazing but not horrible. my buddy, that i play with a lot will outplay me almost consistently, but when he enters a tournament, his HC mysteriously drops to an 18. fuck that. i refuse to play a round of golf with him to this day and we are constantly arguing about the validity of the handicap system.

sorry i went off on golf but i was merely trying to show how prominent it is in other sports. but it just sucks that people are like this. i see it all the time in moto, hell, sometimes it's even worse in moto.

i would almost mention that a national ranking system needs to be put in order, but looking at golf, people will just get past that too.

what are some of your guys' suggestions to help alleviate sandbagging? we all know it happens and a lot of people just turn a blind eye to it because it isn't their class.
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calimxer91
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8/4/2009 3:54pm
Honor system.
peelout719
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8/4/2009 4:07pm
calimxer91 wrote:
Honor system.
honor system is fucked. seriously, it is. it's sad to say that but it's true.

even motors in the local races are questionable, well, at least when i was racing 80's and 125's there were some questionable people racing.
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8/4/2009 4:41pm
who cares? cheaters know who they are...what they're about. one day they will have to stop and think about who they are...it won't be worth a shitball trophy at that point i bet. Smile
peelout719
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you're right bobby, but it sucks for all the hard working honest joes out there.

i guess i get fired up about it because i've seen it all too much.

i had a legit shot at winning a golf tourney not too long ago, in my handicap class i was in the second flight out of 4, and there were 4 guys that all shot under par on their gross scores. they were fucking 12 handicap golfers. pisses me off man.

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8/4/2009 5:02pm
Alex Snow wants his truck...
8/4/2009 5:22pm
i'm a former AMA Pro and i'm thinking about entering the novice class at a local race this saturday night. anyone think that would be sandbagging? do you think my age would have any effect on your opinion? i'm 61.
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i'm a former AMA Pro and i'm thinking about entering the novice class at a local race this saturday night. anyone think that would be sandbagging...
i'm a former AMA Pro and i'm thinking about entering the novice class at a local race this saturday night. anyone think that would be sandbagging? do you think my age would have any effect on your opinion? i'm 61.
When's the last time you raced?
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8/4/2009 5:38pm
BobbyM wrote:
who cares? cheaters know who they are...what they're about. one day they will have to stop and think about who they are...it won't be worth a...
who cares? cheaters know who they are...what they're about. one day they will have to stop and think about who they are...it won't be worth a shitball trophy at that point i bet. Smile
Cheaters don't think about being cheats because it doesn't matter once they head on forward. Any thinking about is long past once they decide riding down a class will pay off. And they can come up with any number of "good" reasons why what they did was proper and why they should be able to crow about the results.
8/4/2009 5:40pm
thanksgiving weekend last year. a woods race. i got 5th in the super senior. mx sports won't let me ride Vet +30 B/C, but i can ride +25.
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8/4/2009 6:10pm Edited Date/Time 8/4/2009 6:11pm
peelout719 wrote:
you're right bobby, but it sucks for all the hard working honest joes out there. i guess i get fired up about it because i've seen...
you're right bobby, but it sucks for all the hard working honest joes out there.

i guess i get fired up about it because i've seen it all too much.

i had a legit shot at winning a golf tourney not too long ago, in my handicap class i was in the second flight out of 4, and there were 4 guys that all shot under par on their gross scores. they were fucking 12 handicap golfers. pisses me off man.
That sucks. How does the course let 4 guys shoot 13 strokes lower than their handicap and not say what the F*ck. I would find a new course. I worked at a golf course and one out five good golfers are nice. It's like MX. People get a free pass based on how fast they go, even though they might be pricks. It's a lot worse at the golf course.
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8/4/2009 6:20pm
i'm a former AMA Pro and i'm thinking about entering the novice class at a local race this saturday night. anyone think that would be sandbagging...
i'm a former AMA Pro and i'm thinking about entering the novice class at a local race this saturday night. anyone think that would be sandbagging? do you think my age would have any effect on your opinion? i'm 61.
if im not mistaken, you would ethier have not raced in a certain amount of years or have written approval from the AMA. i got protested at devils ridge by a local pro and i had to get the written approval from the ama in 2003 to ride the B class after i was out of action for almost two years
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8/4/2009 6:24pm
peelout719 wrote:
you're right bobby, but it sucks for all the hard working honest joes out there. i guess i get fired up about it because i've seen...
you're right bobby, but it sucks for all the hard working honest joes out there.

i guess i get fired up about it because i've seen it all too much.

i had a legit shot at winning a golf tourney not too long ago, in my handicap class i was in the second flight out of 4, and there were 4 guys that all shot under par on their gross scores. they were fucking 12 handicap golfers. pisses me off man.
Garet I feel ya. I used to play in a once a year tournament for US Homes. It was for fun but cheaters galore. The guys who won it took both there Mulligans on the par 3's. They would hit the green and wouldnt putt. Mulligan.
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8/4/2009 6:37pm
its hard with moto. A rider can start the season as a C rider, and come LL time, they have the speed of an A rider.
And an injury at the right time could event keep that kid a class behind for as far as any promotional/advancement are concerned.
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8/4/2009 6:45pm
breck wrote:
Alex Snow wants his truck...
Funny post!
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8/4/2009 9:02pm
Every year in August sand baggers become a hot topic.I can certainly understand the need for A,B,and C classes at the local mx track .Why is there A, B,C classes at these so called amature championships?Shouldnt it be that the only requirement is that you are truly an amature? I have seen to many racers stay in lower classes just so they could brag about winning the slow class, its just like bragging about having the prettiest ugly girlfriend ....
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8/4/2009 9:03pm
ok last race i did was feb 2001 i raced pro class i have not ridden no more than 30 to 40 laps on a mx track in that time i was thinking about racing but i snapped an achilles tendon so no riding this yr if i race next yr what class should i rightfully enter?
no bullshit serious i have been wondering if i should just go straight to expert pro class
what ever is. being that i was there 1 time years ago.

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