sand bagging at LL'S

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 11:52am
450C
1st #51 Mcconahy, N Spokane, WA Honda #5 fast lap 02:09.740



450A
17th - CHRIS CARR UNIONTOWN, OH kawasaki #83 fast lap 02:11.673


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DDub8 8/4/2009 2:26pm
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That Chris Carr guy is fast on flattrack, too.
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SteveS 8/4/2009 2:27pm
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No doubt. A local A rider is there who had a best lap of 2:13.
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Adam43 8/4/2009 2:27pm
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How fast do you expect him to run without knobbies?


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rocrac 8/4/2009 2:29pm
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Ever notice the C classes riders are from mostly Non-AMA area's with 0 advancements systems?

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wreckitrandy 8/4/2009 2:37pm
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Didn't MC win 250 C one year?
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bobby397 8/4/2009 2:42pm
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wreckitrandy wrote:
Didn't MC win 250 C one year?
yes, but never raced LL again
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you guys are far to quick to judge..... a lot of crap goes down on an mx track.... that C rider may have cut (or been pushed off and forced to cut) a lap to get a 2:09..... you then have to check the rest of his laps..... if he didn't have any other laps faster than lets say a 2:15 or 2:19 or whatever, then you know he cut on one lap and wasn't sandbagging....
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72kiteboarder 8/4/2009 2:53pm
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Saying Sandbagging and LL's in the same sentence is kind of redundant.
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gt80rider wrote:
you guys are far to quick to judge..... a lot of crap goes down on an mx track.... that C rider may have cut (or been...
you guys are far to quick to judge..... a lot of crap goes down on an mx track.... that C rider may have cut (or been pushed off and forced to cut) a lap to get a 2:09..... you then have to check the rest of his laps..... if he didn't have any other laps faster than lets say a 2:15 or 2:19 or whatever, then you know he cut on one lap and wasn't sandbagging....
won by over 20seconds to quick to judge? and yes, there were more than one of the kids lap times around the 2:09 mark. wouldnt a rider rather bragg about a 15th in the B class than a first in the C class? i would
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floridaflash 8/4/2009 3:02pm
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they really need to fix this or do away with the C class at the nationals, all you have to do is google, he raced 85 int in 07
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Shawn142 8/4/2009 3:07pm
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You can only race it one year. It's not like you can abuse the class anymore than the ex champions who race the Vet classes. The track does change a lot from race to race though, if they take a break and groom the track heavily for the C class obviously lap times go way down. That track gets crazy rutted and that slows things down a lot.
TripleFive 8/4/2009 3:10pm
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Josh HIll won the B class the year I was there with faster lap times than Villo and J-law in the A class.
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YAMABOB 8/4/2009 3:16pm
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Every district is different as far as level of competition goes.

An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in Iowa, but may not be faster than a B or even C rider from a more competitive district in let's say Colorado.

You can't fault somebody for the overall competition in their district, and what that may mena to their advancement through the ranks of classes.

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YAMABOB 8/4/2009 3:17pm
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Before I get blown up, I just picked 2 states at random nothing against Iowa and even though I love Colorado I am not sating they are the fastest either.

That is for somebody else to judge.

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The super minis are running 2:06!
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Wolfman wrote:
The super minis are running 2:06!
There you go, for comparison!

and Alex Martins little brother is cookin'!
MX Dad #27 8/4/2009 3:34pm
8/4/2009 3:34pm Edited Date/Time 8/4/2009 3:43pm
YAMABOB wrote:
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes. An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in...
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes.

An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in Iowa, but may not be faster than a B or even C rider from a more competitive district in let's say Colorado.

You can't fault somebody for the overall competition in their district, and what that may mena to their advancement through the ranks of classes.

Ketchum
You mean an Iowa A rider like Justin Brayton (Silver at X games), Chad Pederson (2x Loretta Lynn's Champion 2 digit pro for years), Cody Gilmore (Loretta Lynn's Champ current MX and SX rider), Teddy Maier (Multiple amateure Championships currently racing in Canada) you mean Iowa Turds like that? Or maybe Devin reed( 6th in 1st 450A/ prosport 7 time Loretta Lynn's qualifier, US Open Champion), Gavin Faith (AX racer 250A and 450A LL qualifier), Austin Raub (AX racer +35 LL qualifier 9th in the 1st moto)........... Send out your "C" riders to kick their asses! And by the way the "C" class is the most abused class there is I know some one that has raced for 10 years that is in the "C" class. It should be dropped from ALL National Events!
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James Stewart set the fastest lap time of the week in 2001 in the Schoolboy class.

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yzracer758 8/4/2009 3:43pm
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YAMABOB wrote:
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes. An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in...
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes.

An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in Iowa, but may not be faster than a B or even C rider from a more competitive district in let's say Colorado.

You can't fault somebody for the overall competition in their district, and what that may mena to their advancement through the ranks of classes.

Ketchum
MX Dad #27 wrote:
You mean an Iowa A rider like Justin Brayton (Silver at X games), Chad Pederson (2x Loretta Lynn's Champion 2 digit pro for years), Cody Gilmore...
You mean an Iowa A rider like Justin Brayton (Silver at X games), Chad Pederson (2x Loretta Lynn's Champion 2 digit pro for years), Cody Gilmore (Loretta Lynn's Champ current MX and SX rider), Teddy Maier (Multiple amateure Championships currently racing in Canada) you mean Iowa Turds like that? Or maybe Devin reed( 6th in 1st 450A/ prosport 7 time Loretta Lynn's qualifier, US Open Champion), Gavin Faith (AX racer 250A and 450A LL qualifier), Austin Raub (AX racer +35 LL qualifier 9th in the 1st moto)........... Send out your "C" riders to kick their asses! And by the way the "C" class is the most abused class there is I know some one that has raced for 10 years that is in the "C" class. It should be dropped from ALL National Events!
Did you not read his next post?
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yzkrazy219 8/4/2009 3:46pm
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the 450c rider turned a faster lap time then aj cantazaro who is currently running 8th in 450b mod.
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yzkrazy219 wrote:
the 450c rider turned a faster lap time then aj cantazaro who is currently running 8th in 450b mod.
Not any more: AJ 2:06
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yzkrazy219 8/4/2009 3:49pm
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he just turned a 02:09.494
MX Dad #27 8/4/2009 3:49pm
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YAMABOB wrote:
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes. An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in...
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes.

An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in Iowa, but may not be faster than a B or even C rider from a more competitive district in let's say Colorado.

You can't fault somebody for the overall competition in their district, and what that may mena to their advancement through the ranks of classes.

Ketchum
MX Dad #27 wrote:
You mean an Iowa A rider like Justin Brayton (Silver at X games), Chad Pederson (2x Loretta Lynn's Champion 2 digit pro for years), Cody Gilmore...
You mean an Iowa A rider like Justin Brayton (Silver at X games), Chad Pederson (2x Loretta Lynn's Champion 2 digit pro for years), Cody Gilmore (Loretta Lynn's Champ current MX and SX rider), Teddy Maier (Multiple amateure Championships currently racing in Canada) you mean Iowa Turds like that? Or maybe Devin reed( 6th in 1st 450A/ prosport 7 time Loretta Lynn's qualifier, US Open Champion), Gavin Faith (AX racer 250A and 450A LL qualifier), Austin Raub (AX racer +35 LL qualifier 9th in the 1st moto)........... Send out your "C" riders to kick their asses! And by the way the "C" class is the most abused class there is I know some one that has raced for 10 years that is in the "C" class. It should be dropped from ALL National Events!
yzracer758 wrote:
Did you not read his next post?
Yes and he said that was for someone else to judge, and I'm telling you there are some FAST MOFO's from Iowa!
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yzracer758 8/4/2009 3:50pm
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Riders in front of you will slow laptimes down obviously.....
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yzkrazy219 8/4/2009 3:51pm
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4th #12 Starling, J Deland, FL Suzuki 7 02:09.976
this is rediculous that a 450c rider is turning lap times as fast 4th place in 450b mod
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Regis 8/4/2009 3:51pm
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YAMABOB wrote:
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes. An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in...
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes.

An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in Iowa, but may not be faster than a B or even C rider from a more competitive district in let's say Colorado.

You can't fault somebody for the overall competition in their district, and what that may mena to their advancement through the ranks of classes.

Ketchum
MX Dad #27 wrote:
You mean an Iowa A rider like Justin Brayton (Silver at X games), Chad Pederson (2x Loretta Lynn's Champion 2 digit pro for years), Cody Gilmore...
You mean an Iowa A rider like Justin Brayton (Silver at X games), Chad Pederson (2x Loretta Lynn's Champion 2 digit pro for years), Cody Gilmore (Loretta Lynn's Champ current MX and SX rider), Teddy Maier (Multiple amateure Championships currently racing in Canada) you mean Iowa Turds like that? Or maybe Devin reed( 6th in 1st 450A/ prosport 7 time Loretta Lynn's qualifier, US Open Champion), Gavin Faith (AX racer 250A and 450A LL qualifier), Austin Raub (AX racer +35 LL qualifier 9th in the 1st moto)........... Send out your "C" riders to kick their asses! And by the way the "C" class is the most abused class there is I know some one that has raced for 10 years that is in the "C" class. It should be dropped from ALL National Events!
It was an example, jeez. Read his second post explaining he just said 2 random states.

Man.

How funny is it that Yamabob had to explain himself knowing someone would get their panties in a wad? Sometimes this board is so predictable!

FURTHERMORE, there are so many variables between each moto that can contribute to different lap times between different classes. Lap times schmap times, comparing two different riders on the track at two different times is ludicrous, no matter what class they ride in.

Yamabob- for future reference please do not use the state of Iowa as an example. Maybe use the countries like Kazakhstan and Barbados, at least we probably won't have an expert from those countries chime in and get all defensive!
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YAMABOB wrote:
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes. An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in...
Every district is different as far as level of competition goes.

An A rider from let's say Iowa may be the best of the best in Iowa, but may not be faster than a B or even C rider from a more competitive district in let's say Colorado.

You can't fault somebody for the overall competition in their district, and what that may mena to their advancement through the ranks of classes.

Ketchum
MX Dad #27 wrote:
You mean an Iowa A rider like Justin Brayton (Silver at X games), Chad Pederson (2x Loretta Lynn's Champion 2 digit pro for years), Cody Gilmore...
You mean an Iowa A rider like Justin Brayton (Silver at X games), Chad Pederson (2x Loretta Lynn's Champion 2 digit pro for years), Cody Gilmore (Loretta Lynn's Champ current MX and SX rider), Teddy Maier (Multiple amateure Championships currently racing in Canada) you mean Iowa Turds like that? Or maybe Devin reed( 6th in 1st 450A/ prosport 7 time Loretta Lynn's qualifier, US Open Champion), Gavin Faith (AX racer 250A and 450A LL qualifier), Austin Raub (AX racer +35 LL qualifier 9th in the 1st moto)........... Send out your "C" riders to kick their asses! And by the way the "C" class is the most abused class there is I know some one that has raced for 10 years that is in the "C" class. It should be dropped from ALL National Events!
Regis wrote:
It was an example, jeez. Read his second post explaining he just said 2 random states. Man. How funny is it that Yamabob had to explain...
It was an example, jeez. Read his second post explaining he just said 2 random states.

Man.

How funny is it that Yamabob had to explain himself knowing someone would get their panties in a wad? Sometimes this board is so predictable!

FURTHERMORE, there are so many variables between each moto that can contribute to different lap times between different classes. Lap times schmap times, comparing two different riders on the track at two different times is ludicrous, no matter what class they ride in.

Yamabob- for future reference please do not use the state of Iowa as an example. Maybe use the countries like Kazakhstan and Barbados, at least we probably won't have an expert from those countries chime in and get all defensive!
I was hoping somebody would list our Iowa guys, in defense...we just needed an excuse from YAMABOB. It's all in fun guys!Wink

They are all great young men and we are proud of them!

Thanks, Dad#27
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You're bitching about the guy who won 450C with a 2:09 but haven't said a word about the guy who came from 21st to 2nd?
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peelout719 8/4/2009 4:32pm
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wow... it's amazing.

i think having the word "Dad" in your screen name suddenly makes you a professional internet dude.

way to go dad27. seriously, lighten up. he was giving two instances, random instances. that was apparent in his first post.

ps... iowa's strippers suck
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jbomx363 8/4/2009 4:36pm
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Who cares about the C class?

If no one protested him in the allotted time period, tough crap. He's either playing by the rules or busted his butt before LL's or is smart enough to not get caught at it.

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