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Back in the '80s-'90s, I had to jump thru some "extra-hoops" to get PR's on my crews (for their clearances/guys with US Military History that were PR's).
The point to where I was at, earlier, with all of this...
Someone comes in here gettin' all "politically righteous" and virtuous; but, he can't even get the facts right? Uh, no. Many of us still can't believe what happened to Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi...as most of the world just shrugged it off...and then we have to come in here and have someone throw it around as "the issue of the day" to make some political point? Nah. Not havin' it. Not form some News Story Regurgitator .
Who Khashoggi was and things he accomplished...and where he was from...and where he still belonged...if the Kingdom would have allowed him...is an important part of his story. His history is what makes his tale so important. He was a man from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia...and he was murdered for calling out the Kingdom for it's flaws.
"His fiancée has said he was seeking US citizenship. "
Semantics yes but it matters. Like most of what you guys post it's only partial truths.
It doesn't negate the fact that what happened was beyond disgusting ND should not have happened but when you know you have a price on your head somewhere you don't go near those areas.
Kushners deal is just that, a deal. This isn’t some major story. If your so concerned about the Saudi Prince, how do you feel about him and Twitter? He was at one point the largest share holder and immediately wanted Elon Musks deal not to get approved. Why would he be on the Twitter board? The left owns Twitter and it has a much further reach than a 2.5 billion dollar investment deal.
If you want to bring up problems and ways to fix them, perhaps look within the country itself first. We have been giving to anyone and everyone except for those that need it HERE. All for a vote and to remain in power.
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Ii check back after a day and not ONE POSITIVE thing mentioned that sleepy Joe did for our country. As soon as I see you gave him credit for President Trumps vaccines that were produced at a record pace, I knew you would say nothing legit.
Do you not understand how alarming this is to the world? We have a sitting, mumbling, incoherent lost child staggering from podium to podium and he has no idea which direction he is supposed to go or what State he is in. Thai is extremely dangerous! I’m sure if he’s still breathing in 2 years you will
Just check the box where the “D” is listed and not think twice about it. Wake up and look at the damage he’s done.
And until you can post a legitimate positive action ,
Please don’t waste our time.
I give credit to a lot of very intelligent Liberals in this forum and I really do like a lot of you. Those are the guys that have not tried to lie their way into coming up with anything positive about him. I applaud them for staying on the sidelines. This has been out there for a few weeks….not one so far
First of all vaccines were developed all over the world. The Pfizer vax was developed in Germany, Pfizer bought the company and turned down any funding from operation warp speed because they said the bureaucracy would slow them down.
Johnson and Johnson vax was developed in the Netherlands.
Astra Zeneca was developed in the UK
The Moderna vax was developed in the US, and did benefit greatly from federal funding.
But let’s not pretend any politician really was responsible for developing vaccines. Every government was writing huge checks, so it’s hardly unique to one politician.
I think Biden is a shit President, but the one thing he has undoubtedly improved is relationships with age old allies. US relationships with European allies in particular were very strained during the trump years.
So, the short answer is yes, Operation Warp Speed did have an impact here in the U.S. on how fast the vaccines hit the streets. Without the FDA's approval no vaccine gets authorization (in this case an EAU) here in the U.S.
Edit: The below link shows where the R&D funding came from. Not every country was writing checks.
https://www.knowledgeportalia.org/covid19-r-d-funding
" saying one thing in the official press conference and then flipping 180 degrees on Twitter the next morning"
Or is this something they claim happened on french state run Media in Reunion?
I could give reasons, but let's face it, It really serves little purpose for the average American at this point.
Not saying we should abandon our allies, That is not what I am saying.
It's just, it's not 1945 anymore. I'm just not convinced this is something the US needs to be as actively involved with that serves the American people's interests.
I'm sure there are countries that genuinely want to be engaged with or actively associated with the United States. I'm not sure they or we need Nato to achieve those goals.
The US has had long standing alliances with many countries. The UK, Canada, much or western hemisphere, Australia , France, Israel in particular. Others also. Nato or no Nato, I'd have to say we have their back.
So from the US's standpoint, do you believe we need Nato, or hell no we'd go to shit in a month, lol? Comments?
I know you meant to say Paris Climate Accord, which just like most US recent wars is another way to fleece the US of dollars.
Joe isn't solely to blame for Ukraine . This war and the sanctions that go with it have been on deck for awhile. The State Dept, CIA, Congress, the US war industry basically, did not spend eight years orchestrating resigm change, funding and training the military, sanctioning and basically doing everything possible to provoke a fight with Russia just to turn around and pursue diplomacy and peace.
The US holds all the power and influence to control diplomacy over Ukraine, Russia, NATO and the EU and make sure this war never started. Instead Biden and the rest are sending incredible amounts of money and weapons.
It sounds like Kushner may have exploited his position in the administration for financial gain. I don't know the details but if that's the case it would be on par with hundreds of other politicians and govt officials and employees. And the only way this kind of stuff might ever stop and the govt might ever start working on behalf of the populace is when the so called left and right stop arguing about which side is more corrupt. The bunch of them and the govt agencies are selling us out. Presidents come and go and but the Congress, the Fed, the war industry, all still there fleecing us dry.
Republican voters have been trying to vote out the corruption from the republican party since the tea party movement. I thought maybe we found some common ground with the occupy wall street deal after we got screwed with the so called 2008 financial crisis. Instead the media, politicians, NGOs, and all those that benefit from Govt money that comes from our businesses and our paychecks, or gets borrowed and destroys the value of our money. They have pushed every kind of division possible. War, racism, misogyny, hate, hate crimes, hoax hate crimes, defund the police in cities with the highest crime. Then they turn around and claim the country is divided.
Left to ourselfs we are not divided.
Anyway, I gotta go.
Back to peace, the boy wonder Kushner had a two part peace plan neither of which had any input from the Palestinians. The peace deals were actually more real estate deals than peace agreements showing just how clueless Kushner was and Trump was for giving Kushner the Middle East, the opioid crisis and some others things he never got done. No surprise the Palestinians passed on Kushner's BS.
And I did mention what I thought Biden has done good but you've yet to comment on the topic so once again you're dealing with whataboutism. If you can't speak to the topic, stay on the sidelines or start your own thread instead of deflecting in mine.
SCR I enjoyed and appreciated your level headed post with one exception. I am sorry but cannot accept your politics as usual rationale for Kushner's 2.5 billion dollar payoff in the wake of Kashoggi's dismemberment especially in view of the Hunter 5 million dollar Ukraine contract and laptop focus. The Democrats are so clueless not to exploit the 2.5 billion dollars of blood money but that's the Democrats for you. Can't fight their way out of wet paper bag.
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George Carlin nailed it It's a club and you're not in it
There, just fixed the worlds problems.
NATO definitely isn't about keeping us from going to shit in a month.
“Can’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag”
Between the pandemic-induced collapse in demand for oil and the price war Saudi Arabia was then fighting with Russia — two of the world’s largest producers — Putin was being pinched badly. And in America, from Pennsylvania to Texas, oil producers were outright losing money on the oil they pumped. Gas prices were at record lows, gutting the profits even of refiners.
So, Trump acted. It seemed inexplicable at the time, but in retrospect (knowing now how tied to Putin he was) it makes perfect sense.
In the second year of his presidency, Trump had blown up the Iran nuclear deal that Obama had a hand in fashioning, letting us all think it was because he was trying to erase Obama’s legacy. But the real and immediate impact of Trump’s decision was to pull almost 3 million barrels of Iranian oil a day off the world market, boosting profits for Russia, Saudi Arabia and the US fossil fuel industry.
But that was 2018 and by 2020 prices were again sagging — and thus about 40 percent of the total revenue/income to Russia’s economy was sagging — as demand dropped because of the pandemic. Saudi Arabia was making the situation worse for Putin, keeping their oil production high to compete with Russia for worldwide market share, particularly in Chinese oil markets, and in retaliation for Russia refusing to go along with price-supporting production cuts.
Oil prices had fallen as low as $15 a barrel because Saudi Arabia had opened their spigots full-on, according to Reuters:
“Despite the agreement to cut a tenth of global production, oil prices continued to fall to historic lows. U.S. oil futures dropped below $0 last week as sellers paid buyers to avoid taking delivery of oil they had no place to store. Brent futures, the global oil benchmark, fell towards $15 per barrel - a level not seen since the 1999 oil price crash – from as high as $70 at the start of the year.”
So Trump took decisive action.
He called up his buddy, Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, and essentially threatened that if MBS didn’t cut production (and thus raise worldwide oil prices, which would help out Putin and US petrobillionaires) the United States would reconsider its seven-decade-long military support for the kingdom.
As Reuters reported on April 30, 2020, in an article titled Special Report: Trump told Saudi: Cut Oil Supply or Lose U.S. Military Support:
“Trump delivered the message to the crown prince 10 days before the announcement of production cuts. The kingdom’s de facto leader was so taken aback by the threat that he ordered his aides out of the room so he could continue the discussion in private, according to a U.S. source who was briefed on the discussion by senior administration officials.”
Oil-drenched Republican Senators Kevin Cramer and Dan Sullivan had drafted legislation to pull US troops out of Saudi Arabia, giving Trump the club he could wield against the Saudis to help out both Putin and the US oil industry that was seeing bankruptcies spread across the country.
As Reuters noted, “Support for the measure was gaining momentum amid Congressional anger over the ill-timed Saudi-Russia oil price war.”
Thus, in the last year of his presidency, Trump oversaw the worldwide cuts in oil production that would lead to today’s prices soaring well past $130 a barrel.
Which brings us to today, with oil prices soaring. When President Biden tried to reach out to our allies, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, to ask them to restore the production they’d cut under threat from Trump, both refused to take his call, according to press reports.
Meteor Blades reports at Daily Kos that The Wall Street Journal laid it out:
“The Saudis have signaled that their relationship with Washington has deteriorated under the Biden administration, and they want more support for their intervention in Yemen’s civil war, help with their own civilian nuclear program as Iran’s moves ahead, and legal immunity for Prince Mohammed in the U.S., Saudi officials said. The crown prince faces multiple lawsuits in the U.S., including over the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in 2018.
“The Emiratis share Saudi concerns about the restrained U.S. response to recent missile strikes by Iran-backed Houthi militants in Yemen against the U.A.E. and Saudi Arabia, officials said. Both governments are also concerned about the revival of the Iran nuclear deal, which doesn’t address other security concerns of theirs and has entered the final stages of negotiations in recent weeks.”
The outcome is predictable. Saudi Arabia and Russia keep oil production tight to keep oil prices and profits high, while President Biden is attacked from every direction in the US for high prices at the pump.
Republican politicians grandstand on the issue and hammer it daily into the news, blaming the increased price of gasoline on a president who’s trying to both get Iranian oil back on the market and increase Saudi production. The high price of gas and diesel, meanwhile, keep jacking up US inflation, giving the GOP another lead pipe to hit Democrats over the head with.
Neither of Biden’s efforts to lower oil prices are working, though, as the result of Trump’s two gutless actions on behalf of his patrons.
The Iranian talks are bogged down (the Iranians can see what happens to a country that gives up its nukes just by turning on the news and looking at Ukraine) and Saudi Arabia wants Biden to come on bended knee and approve of their slaughter in Yemen, something that would be very costly to American moral standing in the world.
The result is more money for Putin’s war machine and the Saudi crown prince, and a significant increase in the chances an oil-industry-friendly Republican Congress will be installed next year and a Putin/Saudi-friendly Republican President will win election in 2024.
Trump may be long out of power, but the impact of his corrupt treachery lives on.
https://hartmannreport.com/p/exposed-the-trump-putin-and-saudi?s=r
For the life of me I can not understand why people do not see the larger picture and simply rely on others reading opinionated journalists and claim it to be factual. Production numbers, jobs, etc do not lie. As policies do not lie. This was created by the vacuum of the Biden administrations decisions and they continue to place blame elsewhere for every single issue at hand.
Every single country is experiencing the exact same thing, because it is a global.
But the cut in Saudi production is what drove the prices up in the first place, and they have not come down since.
That asshat from the New York Times "leading progressive author" is just that. Some asshat who hated Trump and will spin shit to make Trump the culprit when things worsted because of the Biden administrations immediate decisions which they were so proud of at the time. You now have an administration who walked back things Trump did to prove a point and it has backfired ten fold.
Inflation was created at first by rising oil prices. Shipments were more expensive coupled with the raising wages and lower output. This is a recipe for disaster, all economics work off of supply and demand in its most basic form. High supply, low demand inversely low supply high demand and thus expensive. Add in the federal reserve printing money at alarming rates trying to "stimulate" the economy due to covid and low output from suppliers and now you have an american dollar that is deflated with further issues.
All of this could have been prevented, and this administration has lied continuously to the American public trying to save face and hoping for a hail mary miracle.
In the end, the Republicans will take control of Congress in November and I really hope they do the right (and difficult) thing for the American people. Work on the budget deficit, infrastructure (not paying lobbyist but actually working on roads, bridges, railways, electrical grids etc) and build back the country. Is this glamorous? Hell no, but it is essential and get off of this bull shit ideology politics that has taken Washington by storm.
Glad things are so much better now, a $5 hike in gas is a small price to pay for no mean tweets.
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